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Kuo: New High-End Mac Mini Won't Arrive Until Next Year

Apple will miss their self-imposed Nov 17, 2022 deadline for the Apple Silicon transition.
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Unforeseen problems like a worldwide chip shortage? If they really stick to the letter of their promise, they only have till June 22, 2022, to make it all happen. Highly unlikely given TSMC is already at capacity and Mac Pro is hardly a product that they can rush to put an Apple Silicon inside...
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The best they can do now is to have both Intel and ASci-based Mac Pro by the end of this year.
 
I’m not clear what space there is in the lineup for a high end Mac Mini that’s different from a Mac Studio. Do they currently just sell a vanilla M1 Mini, so there’s space for an M[x] Pro in a Mini, while the Max and Ultra go in the Studio?
 
I expect Apple was planning to release an M1 Pro Mini this week but decided against it because they want the Mac Studio to succeed and an M1 Pro Mini would surely eat into potential buyers of the Studio.

Steve Jobs said that companies should not be afraid of cannibalising their own sales, but the Apple of today definitely shies away from it.
 
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MayaUser said:
so if i make an KUO fake account and macrumors come and ask me if im the real one...i would say yes or no!?
So it depends how they got that confirmation
The way he talks is also different
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Well, he links to that account from his long-established website. Or are you suggesting that's also fake or been taken over?
 
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ian87w said:
Not sure why Apple would still keep the Intel Mac mini around when they have the necessary SoCs to match the hardware (ie supporting multi monitor, more than 32GB of RAM).

Maybe they pushed the yield for the M1 ultra instead? Or will they replace the Intel Mac mini with an M2 version, keeping the M1 version alongside it?
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Real x86 is still needed as Windows 11 ARM is very poor (VERY slow) when it comes to emulating x86. And not even Microsoft's own software is ARM'ized yet - for example, Visual Studio is still x86 only. (Bad, MS, bad!)

Fortunately, currently, I can do all my official work (mostly external hardware access via security DLL's from Python) just fine on my 16" MBP with Parallels + Windows 11 ARM with Python x86 being run in Win11's x86 emulator. (Python now starts to have native Windows ARM support; I haven't tested those alpha-stage libs yet.) And Parallels runs a LOT faster / is a lot more responsive than on my 2018 i5 MacMini (the one still in the Apple Store).
 
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I would not kill the Mac Mini just put the M2 /Pro inside and the Mac Mini and Big Mac Mini aka Studio gets the Max/Ultra variant.

That being said, M2 introduction would happen in 2023 because of the shortages etc. Makes sense to me.
 
From what Apple did in the past with the OG HomePod, iMac Pro and 21.5 inch HD iMac. I think they will slowly phase the Intel Mac Mini out.

Phase 1: Today
Phase 2: Banner that say we will drop product soon (as they did with the others above)
Phase 3: It will go away from the store

When it comes to the current M1 Mac Mini.
They might sell a M1 Pro version that has 2 more Thunderbolt ports, 32GB RAM and the M1 Pro chip as a build To Order to the current M1 Mac Mini, keep silver and do this without talking about the Mac Mini (Website refresh)
 
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One wonders if we will see a lower-end one. Specifically one with less ports. If they can squash the M1 into the iPad Air and maintain, what about 7mm of thickness I wonder if they will release a 'Mac Nano' that is the Mac Mini but 7mm thin with the internals of the iPad Air but 4 horizontal Thunderbolt ports on the back that manage peripherals, display and power and one on the front?

I'm not sure what the market would be for such a model but 'worlds thinnest desktop computer' has got to be cool.
 
alexe said:
Wow, you come here for the rumors and then complain about not all rumors being accurate and suggest that one of the most reliable sources of the rumors you come here for to stop what they are doing ?‍♂️
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So what I said was wrong?

He hasn’t had the best track record recently.

Anyone with a twitter account these days is a accurate leaker.
 
city_17 said:
I can imagine they won't upgrade the Mac Mini to M2 until they also upgrade the Mac Studio to prevent a powerful Mini cannibalizing the cheapest Studio. And since they won't release the updated Mac Studio until next year, the Mini will also be released later.
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Apple has never worried about 'cannabalizing sales. Theyre all still sales. Heck they had the super thin macbook and macbook air together for a long time.
On top of everything, any M2 mini will never perform even close to an M1 max
 
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The weeks up to an event, it's always "well respected analyst Kuo".

And afterwards... all the things that didnt happen.

Respected or not, he gets bad info.
Almost anyone who knows anything about Apple products could easily make such bold predictions.

I predict new iPhones in September/October. Faster than any current iPhone...
 
city_17 said:
I can imagine they won't upgrade the Mac Mini to M2 until they also upgrade the Mac Studio to prevent a powerful Mini cannibalizing the cheapest Studio. And since they won't release the updated Mac Studio until next year, the Mini will also be released later.
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M2 is not as powerful as M1 Pro, M1 Max. or M1 Ultra.
 
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I really believe Apple is going to keep the M1 around for at least another year. They may release a new MacBook Air at the end of the year, but I think they‘ll keep an M1 chip in it. They are going to want to give the newest M1 chips breathing room before suddenly introducing the M2 and making all the people buying the Mac Studio feel like they bought last year’s tech. I expect they’ll want to make a big deal out of the M2 and will announce it at WWDC 2023 with a new Mac Mini coming in the fall. But I also think it won’t take 2 years to update their Mac line-up and all the machines will be updated within a year.
 
lysingur said:
Apple will miss their self-imposed Nov 17, 2022 deadline for the Apple Silicon transition.
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Unforeseen problems like a worldwide chip shortage? If they really stick to the letter of their promise, they only have till June 22, 2022, to make it all happen. Highly unlikely given TSMC is already at capacity and Mac Pro is hardly a product that they can rush to put an Apple Silicon inside...
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The best they can do now is to have both Intel and ASci-based Mac Pro by the end of this year.
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Apple can have the announcement and official release date, while ship the product later if supply is an issue. The announcement and official release date will mark the complete transition.

I mean just look at how long some people are waiting for their 14"/16" Macbook Pro orders.... :D
 
Orange Bat said:
I really believe Apple is going to keep the M1 around for at least another year. They may release a new MacBook Air at the end of the year, but I think they‘ll keep an M1 chip in it. They are going to want to give the newest M1 chips breathing room before suddenly introducing the M2 and making all the people buying the Mac Studio feel like they bought last year’s tech. I expect they’ll want to make a big deal out of the M2 and will announce it at WWDC 2023 with a new Mac Mini coming in the fall. But I also think it won’t take 2 years to update their Mac line-up and all the machines will be updated within a year.
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Apple had no problems keeping the iPad Pros on A12X/Z while the iPhone was getting A13/A14. I think their product separation is quite clear at this point. People who know what they buy when they buy the Mac Studio won't feel any different when the M2 is announced. Like the M1, the M2 will certainly have less performance cores, less RAM support, and no prores hardware encoder/decoder. The M1 Pro/Max/Ultra will still have better performance for their segment compared to a vanilla M2.

Having said that, it seems that Apple will support the M1 for a long time. I mean the M1 iPad Air was just announced, almost 2 years after the M1 itself debuted. Looking at how Apple still supports the A8X (iPad Air 2) with iOS15, it feels like the M1 will get at least 8 years of support, if not longer. So I don't think current Mac Studio buyers will feel they are outdated when the M2 is announced.
 
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There's only about a $500-600 gap between the current, maxed-out iteration of the M1 Mini and then the starting point of the new Mac Studio - not nearly a big enough gap for a new 'high-end' version without some overlap
 
The fact they switched to their own chips and have a legacy chassis with approximately a cubic mile of empty space inside and still can’t be arsed to update it every 12-18 months is poggers.
 
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Menneisyys2 said:
Real x86 is still needed as Windows 11 ARM is very poor (VERY slow) when it comes to emulating x86. And not even Microsoft's own software is ARM'ized yet - for example, Visual Studio is still x86 only. (Bad, MS, bad!)

Fortunately, currently, I can do all my official work (mostly external hardware access via security DLL's from Python) just fine on my 16" MBP with Parallels + Windows 11 ARM with Python x86 being run in Win11's x86 emulator. (Python now starts to have native Windows ARM support; I haven't tested those alpha-stage libs yet.) And Parallels runs a LOT faster / is a lot more responsive than on my 2018 i5 MacMini (the one still in the Apple Store).
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Visual Studio 2022 is 64 bit
 
The high end mini is the Studio. Look at the bloody thing and tell me that isn’t a high end mini (Mac mini Pro).
 
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