Kuo: New iPhone SE With 6.1-Inch OLED Display and Apple's 5G Chip Planned

[subjonas]

It wasn't about size. It just happened to be convenient to market it that way.

I suppose if you want to reject their marketing as having any truth behind it, that's fine, but then that leaves any debate about their motive in stalemate, because other than their words, what evidence do we have to prove "what it was about" ie. what their actual motive was? Of course we all know the SE line was and is about low cost, that's not in question. But nothing we know (as far as I know) precludes the possibility that the original SE was also about reaching a small phone market, as their marketing stated. To say it wasn't is an assumption. It could be true, but can't be proven one way or another, as far as I can tell (if we disregard Apple's words).

Because the smaller iPhones are also historically the older models, based on older and now much cheaper technology. These phone might be smaller, but that doesn't mean the components inside are somehow harder to produce, because frankly its the opposite of that. So why make both of these strawman arguments in the first place, since you clearly understand this yourself?

Are you trying to argue with someone just for arguments sake?

Now I'm unclear what both you and Locovaca are saying. And I'm not sure you are both saying the same thing. Yes, we all know old phones get cheaper to produce. But I believe Loco was also saying one or two other things that were either wrong, assumptions, or maybe I didn't understand. But unfortunately I'm too tired to figure it out now.

 

[hippopotamusglorypig]

I suppose if we're being generous, we could say that perhaps the EU ruling with regard to USB-C forced their hand, and so they had to shift strategy abruptly? It's had to imagine they wouldn't have had contingency plans. though.

I have to say, the rumors, if true, make it sound like a Pixel a-series device, though, with the largely similar dimensions and specs but with slightly worse parts. Speaking as a Pixel 3a user who is weighing a Pixel 7a or an updated iPhone SE as their next device, there are worse places to be taking inspiration from.

Similar but worse compared to their respective mainline phones, I should say. Not to each other.

The iPad 10 might also be instructive here, I suppose, if we're looking for a (bizarre) recent precedent for Apple going out of its way to make a dedicated budget device that is similar to the mainline devices but worse in every way.

This doesn't bode well for prices, I suppose.

 

[Alex Cai]

why not 5.4in?
apple should make a usable phone at a usable size

 

[Bacasable]

Here there, where I can find this wallpaper please ?
Thanks

 

[Apple$]

Think of the SE series as if you ordered the Chef's Special at a restaurant which likely is made of leftovers from the day before at a lower price.

 

[SpotOnT]

I do believe that cancellation was actually a thing: Apple was toying with releasing the “XR” SE 4 but didn’t believe in it getting good enough sales numbers and eventually ditched it.

So specifically that SE 4 concept was canceled.

But, if we believe this rumor, that didn’t mean Apple ditched SE 4 altogether.

The alleged release of the “XR” SE 4 would also have been a year earlier than this new SE 4.

So, it’s really not the same device altogether even if both could be named “SE 4th Gen.”

Well the articles saids the SE4 had been postponed or cancelled and the SE line may have been canceled altogether.

But I was mainly referring to all the commenters that were either rejoicing or angry at the possible cancellation of the SE line, when it was obvious that the SE line was not going to be discontinued.

 

[webkit]

Well expect price increase. Again.

Whatever the overseas price increases are will likely depend at least in part on exchange rates at time of launch e.g., when the third generation iPhone SE launched in 2022, the pre-GST price was around NZ$695 or $480 USD. The NZ dollar notably weakened in the following months (by October, NZ$695 had dropped to around $386 USD or 10% less than the price of same phone in U.S.) and Apple increased SE prices in NZ around 5% to 6% to reflect the exchange rate change.

 

[Iceman2022]

I’m still praying one day they will make a retro SE like an old iPhone 3 or 4 with modern specs. Don’t want bigger phones or ones without a button.

 

[Both Sides Now]

Make another iPhone Mini please!

I miss the iPhone X design. Bring this back with maybe a smaller (iPhone 13) notch.

 

[henry72]

Whatever the overseas price increases are will likely depend at least in part on exchange rates at time of launch e.g., when the third generation iPhone SE launched in 2022, the pre-GST price was around NZ$695 or $480 USD. The NZ dollar notably weakened in the following months (by October, NZ$695 had dropped to around $386 USD or 10% less than the price of same phone in U.S.) and Apple increased SE prices in NZ around 5% to 6% to reflect the exchange rate change.

Hey I am aware of that. I meant the last increase in the US from $399 to $429 USD when the 2022 SE was introduced. Hopefully they can keep the starting price under $499.

 

[bobthebuilderissus]

How can a flat photo trick a 3D IR scanner?

Your concern with OLED makes sense. The rest of what you said is just opinion. (...though the notch isn't my favorite either).

yeah, probably should have mentioned it was dim and my hand was probably was shaky as this photo was on a shelf lol

 

[bobthebuilderissus]

OLEDS are pretty much a standard pn smartphones these days, and a 2024 SE with an LCD would be ridiculous.

i know you are probably unaware of this, but some people can't use OLED! that was one of apples reasons of using LCD's on the SE, and I will have to get a android if the SE has a OLED bc i can't use OLED without discomfort!

 

[MacBH928]

@sos47

600 iphones x $600 = $360,000 !!! thats 1/3 million dollars for iphones! YIKES!

 

[bobthebuilderissus]

5.8" should be the smallest they go IMO. I know the people who love the mini size will freak at this but it is what it is. I still have an iPhone6 that I use as a work phone and the screen size it annoying and too small IMO. I know the mini is a little bigger but not much when I saw it in person.

okay, then buy a larger android if you want a cheap smartphone thats larger, or just a normal iphone?
i still use a 2016 se (has a 4in screen) at least 3 times a week, and i love the small screen.

 

[surfzen21]

okay, then buy a larger android if you want a cheap smartphone thats larger, or just a normal iphone?
i still use a 2016 se (has a 4in screen) at least 3 times a week, and i love the small screen.

LMAO

Why would I want to buy a cheap phone or an android phone?

All I said is that anything smaller than 5.8" is too small and I'm sure a lot of women would agree with that. Sorry thats off topic

My iPhone 6 which has a slightly bigger screen then your SE and its too small to do anything meaningful including texting IMO.

If 4" works for you, thats great but you are in a very small minority. Even the 5.4" mini couldnt sell enough for apple to keep it in the lineup.

I will say I slightly miss the days that my Razr flip phone went into my pocket and i didnt even know it was there. Now if I cant feel my phone in my pocket I have a mini heart attack. Luckily my Apple Watch should be able to detect that though. 🤣

 

[user1234]

Well, or Apple could you know step in the 2020 year already and implement DC (flicker less) OLED dimming, which many Android phones already do...

Talk about premium brand.

They probably won't since DC dimming of LEDs trash color accuracy and Apple is very much about color quality.

 

[3530025]

They probably won't since DC dimming of LEDs trash color accuracy and Apple is very much about color quality.

Not necessarily if done right. Also it's great to have option. Some may prefer non-flickering screen with all OLED advantages (like true black) with not 100% accurate colors.

 

[user1234]

i get headaches from looking at screens for awhile, and I've learned that OLED screens give me headaches faster than LCD screens, thats also why my little sibling now has a OLED switch now lol
so yeah, it would be a big let down if it is OLED

Yeah it sucks to be sensitive to now that there's so much OLED hype. The truth is that most consumers don't care if the blacks are really black because they use their phones for communication and productivity, and maybe to play casual games.

I had a lot of issues with computer monitors (CRT and early LCD), TVs, fluorescent lights and such but around 2010-2012 most high quality LCD panels went flicker free or at least low flicker and I could use pretty much any device. Now I'm back to a very limited selection again. OLED in most phones, TVs using image processing like black frame insertion that introduces bad flicker and such. Maybe next decade will be about healthier ways to do things.

 

[bobthebuilderissus]

LMAO

Why would I want to buy a cheap phone or an android phone?

All I said is that anything smaller than 5.8" is too small and I'm sure a lot of women would agree with that. Sorry thats off topic

My iPhone 6 which has a slightly bigger screen then your SE and its too small to do anything meaningful including texting IMO.

If 4" works for you, thats great but you are in a very small minority. Even the 5.4" mini couldnt sell enough for apple to keep it in the lineup.

I will say I slightly miss the days that my Razr flip phone went into my pocket and i didnt even know it was there. Now if I cant feel my phone in my pocket I have a mini heart attack. Luckily my Apple Watch should be able to detect that though. 🤣

um-
"im sure a lot of women would agree with that"
uh what are you implying by that? (ik it might have been unintentional, but it still sounds weird)
bc im not male, im non-binary, and that kinda just sounds like your implying i am (ik my name is ya know, male but clearly its not my name irl lol)
i guess you meant people with long fingernails or something, but that kinda made me upset ngl
also the se was meant to be small phone for people who wanted a small phone, and not a cheap alterative to a normal iphone like this new se might be. (and since the SE was meant to be a small phone, which is why the mini failed as the SE already existed, making the mini pointless)

 

[Ac1d 8urn]

Yeah it sucks to be sensitive to now that there's so much OLED hype. The truth is that most consumers don't care if the blacks are really black because they use their phones for communication and productivity, and maybe to play casual games.

I had a lot of issues with computer monitors (CRT and early LCD), TVs, fluorescent lights and such but around 2010-2012 most high quality LCD panels went flicker free or at least low flicker and I could use pretty much any device. Now I'm back to a very limited selection again. OLED in most phones, TVs using image processing like black frame insertion that introduces bad flicker and such. Maybe next decade will be about healthier ways to do things.

Yep, and I just wanna add that a lot of people can't handle ProMotion either. I do fine with most OLEDs, but hand me any phone with a variable refresh rate and I'll be dizzy & nauseous within minutes. I really wanted a 14 pro this year but after 30 seconds of playing with it in the store, I felt sick for the rest of the day. Turning off ProMotion is not a fix either as that only limits the screen up to 60hz, it still varies from 10-60hz which means I still feel ill. I hope Apple gives us an accessibility option to completely lock the hz someday, but I'm not holding my breath. If Apple ever puts PM on every iPhone, I'm just SOL.

I know us "sensitives" are the minority, but it really irks me to see so many people clamoring for the next SE or every iPhone in the next lineup to have OLED and/or ProMotion. I guess congrats on being normal and not having to worry about return policies and restocking fees b/c you can't tell if your new phone is going to make you sick or not until you use it for a while. That's what we have to think about when buying a new phone and it's a ginormous pain in the butt. At least consider that not everyone who wants an LCD phone or isn't on board with 120hz is just cheap and behind the times. It really sucks b/c I and many others are getting further excluded every year that Apple thins their offerings of phones we can use without pain. I'm genuinely worried that someday the tech bros who scream for pro features on every phone will get their way and there simply won't be a phone that I can comfortably use anymore.

 

[fidelisoris]

I. DON'T. WANT. A. FACE. ID. PHONE.

I stopping buying flagship iPhones due to that. If they remove it off the next SE I will be seriously considering leaving the Apple ecosystem when the current SE goes out of iOS update support. The same goes for the iPad Mini. Put Touch ID on the power button like the latest iPad Mini did and you have a sale. Fingerprint biosecurity is still more than viable technology in use by some of the most well respected security tokens and crypto cold wallets on the market.

 

[compwiz1202]

Can we just get a small phone? When my 13 mini needs replacing jn a few years seems like my only choices are likely to be “too large” and “ridiculously huge” :/

 

[compwiz1202]

FaceID was a solution in search of a problem. It is inferior to TouchID in every way (except for requiring real estate for the sensor). It is faster, can be used while talking, yawning, drinking coffee, etc. It can be used when the phone is flat on my desk or angled away from me at an NFC paypoint reader. It can be used while on my nightstand in the dark. It can be used in my pocket. It can be used without picking up my phone and pointing the camera at my face! It's funny/sad to see people fiddling with the angle of their phone and "posing" for FaceID, yet still praising it as being "progress"! Technology should work FOR the user, not the other way around.
Using ApplePay is where I find the most glaring inconvenience. With TouchID, I placed the phone near the reader with my thumb lightly on the sensor. That's it! No clicking, double-clicking, waking the phone, pointing the camera, or anything else! Plus, after all that, FaceID usually doesn't work and it says "Pay with passcode?" but then the phone is too far away and it says "place near reader".

The only place I like Face ID more is unlocking when I already have the iPhone out or authenticating apps. But Touch for unlocking while getting the iPhone out, Apple Pay and getting new apps.

 

[compwiz1202]

I’m still praying one day they will make a retro SE like an old iPhone 3 or 4 with modern specs. Don’t want bigger phones or ones without a button.

I would like it a little bigger than current but still with Touch.

 

[seek3r]

I would like it a little bigger than current but still with Touch.

A mini with touchid in the power button fits that bill