I hope the new MagSafe chargers are the same as the older ones, so we can use our older chargers on the new computers if this is at all possible. I really don't understand why Apple stopped using MagSafe in the first place, since it was so effective and popular. Apple works in mysterious ways!. MagSafe is ingenious though, kudos to Apple for developing it!
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Kuo: New MacBook Pro Models to Feature Flat-Edged Design, MagSafe, No Touch Bar and More Ports
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People are confounding the name MagSafe. The original MagSafe had terminal to terminal contact, i.e. it wasn’t wireless. The “new” MagSafe is wireless and how the heck is Apple gonna jam 60 to 90 watt of electricity through a wireless puck? I’ll tell ya how, they aren’t. The heat alone from this is a fire hazard. If Apple goes the route of OnePlus in trying to implement a “high” wattage wireless puck in the vicinity of 45 watts (spitballing here, but rumors have them shooting for something in this ballpark), I’ll be extremely disappointed. I won’t eat my hat, but I’ll be extremely disappointed. Wireless/Qi has value but not in the world of charging laptops. Original MagSafe or just stick to usb-c. Nuff said.
That's not the same thing at all. We're not talking nicer look, better materials, smoother operation, or even extra features (unless you really want the touch bar). They are almost the exact same computer at the moment.
OK, slightly better sound, slightly brighter screen, and slightly better battery life (at the expense of more weight), so maybe not zero reason, but still very little. That's not the difference between a Kia and a Mercedes.
If I wasn't pushing the CPU for extended periods, I would absolutely go for the Air for myself... unless the Pro had more ports.
Same thoughts here, I certainly wouldn’t want to have that on my laptop 24/7.
If it’s keys it cannot be called touchbar as the bar shape would be missing, right? Is certainly prefer smart keys over the bar.
I'm curious of the logic here: ethernet, which by definition is just a cable, and could be connected to just a patch panel on a wall, or even just a cable laying on the ground, or a cabinet in a comms/server room, you assume "only being used at a desk"...
HDMI and USB, which technically could also be just a point on a wall, but are far more likely to be connecting to a close device than Ethernet is (i.e. practically no one runs HDMI 100m from a display to a port on the wall), and apparently those things are "must haves"...
The hoops people jump through to justify their own preferences for single-use ports to others is kind of crazy.
Not sure a differing use case needs the crazy label. It is what it is. In my workflow the notebook occasionally is mobile. When it is I don’t use that port. In fact I don’t use it at all hence I don’t need to have it with me. YMMV but nobody is doubting that.
Nobody in this discussion has criticised or downplayed "differing use case".
The comments I replied to suggest that ethernet is something that only makes sense on a desk, while implying that things like HDMI or USB-A make sense everywhere.
That is what I'm calling crazy: making weird absolute claims like "given that ethernet is only being used at a desk" to argue that port is "acceptable" to require a hub or dock, but that HDMI for example, is not - because apparently someone out there is going all Digital ninja-turtle wandering the streets with a ****ing TV strapped to his back and the HDMI cable wrapped around his body, or at least he would be, but he doesn't want to carry a HDMI adapter and doesn't know USB-C to HDMI cables exist.
People routinely have use cases that involve hooking up a laptop to a display. Many times that’s a projector in a conference room, or a tv screen in a meeting or classroom, or many other scenarios other than having a TV strapped to ones back.
the vast majority of these cases do not involve or require a hardwired LAN or WAN connection. In nearly all cases if one is going to be using something that requires a hardwired LAN or WAN connection it also involves being stationary for an extended period of time. Which would make the use of an adapter much more reasonable as this is not a “quick” or “on the go” scenario.
Ok.. and what are those people doing with the laptop while it's connected to said display?
I mean... I don't subscribe to meeting room aficionado monthly, but I'd kind of assume they... put the laptop on a table.. or a desk.. or... you know.. something. They're not doing this the entire time right?
While this a stock photo, I've done something pretty similar many times (with my old 2011 17" too, that ****er was heavy)... usually I don't need anything plugged in.. sometimes a portable drive.. sometimes ethernet... I don't think I've ever done that, with a display, or projector, or tv plugged in...
Which is why I questioned these two statements:
So, by your combined reckoning: HDMI should be built in because it's a hassle to use an adapter, but ethernet shouldn't because it's not a hassle to use an adapter, because you'd use it at a desk. Here are two examples of those adapters from Anker, for comparison by the way:
If you can explain to me how one of those makes sense because you're going to use it on a desk, but the other doesn't make sense because you're going to use it on a different desk, I'd love to hear it.
Hey by all means I explained my use case above. I don’t need ports when mobile. I have a multi port adapter that’s hardly any bigger than what you showed here. I rather have that in my luggage when traveling than see all the cavities I never need for years. YMMV but a permanent and often use to plug into Ethernet or hdmi is probably less likely for the majority of users.
Now Headset jack to me is important while others have often times moved on. Let’s see how long that will be with us.
I may have misunderstood the intention of your earlier post. I read it to mean you were against built-in eth, but for built-in HDMI. Apologies if I misunderstood your post.
Your argument just seems to be that your use case is superior to others despite it being less common and I have no idea why you are so riled up about it.
That's what I always thought, but then I read somewhere that Apple got rid of the glowing logo because they wanted to extend the battery running times in their laptops.
I’ve been hanging on to my 2013 Macbook Pro, despite the failing battery, just because I really like the MagSafe connector and I regularly use an SD card to import pictures from a trailcam and a standard camera. If the rumours are true, I’ll definitely be in the queue for the new model.
Even more so, if I get 14” instead of 13” without too much extra overall size
Even more so, if I get 14” instead of 13” without too much extra overall size
Doesn’t make any sense. It just uses the same backlight from the monitor if I recall.
If Tim Apple brings this back he’ll get my money immediately but hopefully it’ll just be from the dividends lol
This sounds like a dream, assuming you can choose between MagSafe or Type-C on the same laptop... and I’m willing to bet you can.
Connectivity is very important. Type-C is great as a one cable connection, but sometimes you have to plug into a projector, or somebody hands you a USB key, and it will be great to ditch the dongles.
Connectivity is very important. Type-C is great as a one cable connection, but sometimes you have to plug into a projector, or somebody hands you a USB key, and it will be great to ditch the dongles.
The Apple MacBook Touch Bar is NOT a failure. Apple's terrible useless software to drive it is horrible. The software is a failure. Not the hardware and Apple is making a HUGE mistake to discontinue it.
Before anyone decides that getting rid of the touchbar is a good idea, I implore you to download the free BetterTouchTool, then download Aqua Touch to run on it, and for extra fun get AVTouchbar.
See what a really excellent Touchbar implementation looks and feels like before you pat Tim Cook on the back for being rather short sighted.
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Before anyone decides that getting rid of the touchbar is a good idea, I implore you to download the free BetterTouchTool, then download Aqua Touch to run on it, and for extra fun get AVTouchbar.
See what a really excellent Touchbar implementation looks and feels like before you pat Tim Cook on the back for being rather short sighted.
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The haters always scream the loudest. I too think it has potential way beyond what apple explored or promoted what other dev. created.The Apple MacBook Touch Bar is NOT a failure. Apple's terrible useless software to drive it is horrible. The software is a failure. Not the hardware and Apple is making a HUGE mistake to discontinue it.
Before anyone decides that getting rid of the touchbar is a good idea, I implore you to download the free BetterTouchTool, then download Aqua Touch to run on it, and for extra fun get AVTouchbar.
See what a really excellent Touchbar implementation looks and feels like before you pat Tim Cook on the back for being rather short sighted.
folivora.ai - Great Tools for your Mac!
🆕 [v3.6.10] – AquaTouch – Updates and Downloads
Setup Download Download AQT v3.6.1 What's New ▶ New Web Controls! ▶ Many new apps! ▶ Improvements ▶ Optimisations ▶ Bug Fixes Support Yuuiko I really did spend 9 to 5 for two weeks to get this going. I hope you feel my passion for design! Any support helps me get all that life...
AVTouchBar - An Audio Visualizer for the Touch Bar
AVTouchBar is an ongoing project for an audio visualizer on the touch bar for MacBook Pros. The OLED screen on the keyboard allows for beautiful animations.
I actually tried BetterTouchTool and customised it quite extensively when I first got my 16" MBP which was the first touch bar equipped Mac I purchased.The Apple MacBook Touch Bar is NOT a failure. Apple's terrible useless software to drive it is horrible. The software is a failure. Not the hardware and Apple is making a HUGE mistake to discontinue it.
Before anyone decides that getting rid of the touchbar is a good idea, I implore you to download the free BetterTouchTool, then download Aqua Touch to run on it, and for extra fun get AVTouchbar.
See what a really excellent Touchbar implementation looks and feels like before you pat Tim Cook on the back for being rather short sighted.
folivora.ai - Great Tools for your Mac!
🆕 [v3.6.10] – AquaTouch – Updates and Downloads
Setup Download Download AQT v3.6.1 What's New ▶ New Web Controls! ▶ Many new apps! ▶ Improvements ▶ Optimisations ▶ Bug Fixes Support Yuuiko I really did spend 9 to 5 for two weeks to get this going. I hope you feel my passion for design! Any support helps me get all that life...
AVTouchBar - An Audio Visualizer for the Touch Bar
AVTouchBar is an ongoing project for an audio visualizer on the touch bar for MacBook Pros. The OLED screen on the keyboard allows for beautiful animations.
And I found it very inconsistent. Sometimes touches wouldn't happen immediately making me touch again thinking it didn't detect my touch only for it to react to both touches in quick succession after an initial delay.
Putting that to one side. I also found myself just wanting basic media controls and brightness controls very often. And these alterations to the touch bar often hide these things behind extra taps and slides.
Finally hardware wise, I find the touch bar sometimes hard to read, I think it could have done with being brighter by using an ambient light sensor. And it features no tactile feedback. You can enable this using BetterTouchTool (it enacts the Trackpad's actuator to accomplish this) but it's not very prominent like it would be if the vibrator was directly under the touch bar.
In closing, I really really want actual physical tactile buttons. I use the audio controls and brightness controls many times every day and the Touch Bar frankly got in the way. I tried to love it, I installed lots of software and spent hours customising it in an attempt to make it usable and enjoyable. I wasn't able to do so and I'm glad it's going away.
Already pre-ordered my new M1 Max equipped 16" and it's coming this Tuesday.
Looks like we lost this one.
All in all I am really happy with the new MacBooks, with three exceptions.
Besides preferring USB-C only (and four of them) I was really hoping for a blue color option, and a product name change, as "MacBook" still rubs me the wrong way.
Although now I guess they'd need to be called "EfficientBooks", which admittedly does not have a great ring.
Anyhow, eagerly awaiting my early November delivery.