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Sure ok. If you say so. It's not like every display Apple has sold - both first and third party - for the last decade is based on DisplayPort rather than HDMI.

I dunno, if you completely fail to comprehend, or deliberately misconstrue other people's posts, what do you think will happen? They will just keep reading your crap?

I'd be fine with MiniDisplayPort support as well.

But I guess you still don't get capitalism. Apple gets it. Which is why they are putting HDMI back in.
 
HDMI is logical to return. USB-A is arguable, would rather another 2-4 TB3/4 ports as I have way more TB3 devices than legacy. SD slot could be returned to the MBA for consumers, a type A/B/both CFExpress would better fit the pro line giving you flush and fast expansion and aligning with pro photography equipment that is quickly filtering down to cheaper devices.
USB-A isn't legacy. USB-A is still the standard for non-TB accessories. Hell, even my brand new latest Apple Watch Series 6 came with a USB-A charger.

The Xbox Series X, the latest console from Microsoft, comes with 3 USB-A ports and 0 USB-C ports. That's right. You heard that right.

USB-A isn't going anywhere for a long long time.
 
I guess this is just saying that these two things are a given (HDMI and SD). It sounds like MagSafe is a given as well. I would still like to see USB-A, even if it's only one port; for me to use a mouse in a pinch (I haven't found any BlueTooth Mice that I really like).
It's not a given; it's a rumor.

The only likely reason I could see for Apple going back to "legacy ports" (from Apple's perspective of course), is if they have some limitation in Apple Silicon that means they can't offer 4 TB3/USB4 ports on the next machines. That would be a terrible admission of design failure. If they fixed it next year, would they then replace HMDI/SD card slots with the TB3 ports again? Flip-flopping on the design would be even worse...

It's certainly conceivable that Apple has conducted customer and market surveys and found that they are losing MacBook Pro sales due to it missing these ports, but most people who need these (myself included) have just moved on and have USB-C adapters (or docks / cables) for all of these.

Apple is quite considered in its design changes, and I can't think of another example where they've gone back from a "future-looking" standard, like TB3 to an older one.

I agree that HDMI and SD card slots are still useful to many people, but I just don't see Apple back-tracking unless they are forced to.

I guess we'll see! I may be completely wrong...
 
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Yes, your argument is ridiculous.

A bunch of people have money.

They want a particular feature.

Apple wants their money.

So they put in the desired feature.
That is not "The Apple Way". They make the market, they don't follow it.

It's not always successful, <cough> Firewire <cough>.
 
That is not "The Apple Way". They make the market, they don't follow it.

It's not always successful, <cough> Firewire <cough>.
Firewire was plenty successful in the pro level audio and video fields. Apple didn't drop Firewire because it didn't become more widespread, they dropped it when they added Thunderbolt 1.
 
I have to intervene here, and bare with me for this as this may shock you. If you press and hold on the volume button on the touch bar, it will change to the slider, and no matter where your finger is, you slide it from left to right and it will change the volume up and down. This also works for brightness etc.

I don't understand this complaint at all. I *guess* you can call tapping on the volume icon and sliding left or right "a 2 step process" (although it feels more like one fluid motion to me), but I really prefer it to the old function-key approach. It allows you to quickly change the volume to a greater degree without repeated taps and makes smaller volume intervals possible without the use of an additional modifier key.

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Darn new-fangled technology. - It's so intuitive that I question its intuitiveness.

I avoided it this whole time; my 2016 MBP was non-TB. Now the latest one has it and I have it sat up on a riser and use a bluetooth keyboard and mouse while it's 'docked'.

I can count the amount of times I've touched a Touch Bar on one hand; without touching the other.
 
You do indeed have a SD backup option on the R5 and Z7ii. However, why would you want to unload your images via the backup card instead of the 5-10x faster main card?

And as I said before, the pro cameras of the past used CF exclusively and didn’t even have a SD backup. The bulk of point and shoot cameras and the consumer crop cameras have had SD slots, but again just plug in direct with USB or wirelessly transfer.
most every pro mirrorless camera has SD card slots, all but like a couple brand new models. Even most DSLRs made in the past 10 years use SD cards. I don’t use CF Express on my R5 because the cards are ridiculously expensive and I dont shoot 8K video. That’s the only reason you would ever need to shoot with CFE. Even the 150 megapixel Phase One IQ4 and 100 megapixel Fuji GFX 100 uses SD cards, and they are medium format cameras that produce massive files. SD is still by far the industry standard and its not going anywhere any time soon
 
Big facts. Ive was NOT the brilliant designer Apple Fanatics ascribe to him. His hubris, ego & Tim Cook's lack of ability to reign him in caused Apple's Mac line (desktops and laptops) to go from industry best-in-class to worst-in-class, to say nothing about his complete ineptitude when it came to MacOS X & iOS.
Hmm, there is some truth in it.
maybe not industry’s worst but not top notch any longer.
cook is good for stocks, but the tandem didn’t work out their highest potentia!
 
I'm surprised nothing like that exists for USB-C since my security key is already flush like that. But you can also accomplish this with a flush microSD card adapter and card, which is what I do.
Do you have a link to one? I had never thought of this. I looked on Amazon and saw some, but they stuck out a bit more than what I am thinking of.
 
Big facts. Ive was NOT the brilliant designer Apple Fanatics ascribe to him. His hubris, ego & Tim Cook's lack of ability to reign him in caused Apple's Mac line (desktops and laptops) to go from industry best-in-class to worst-in-class, to say nothing about his complete ineptitude when it came to MacOS X & iOS.

You realise that Jony Ive was the head of industrial design from the time Jobs returned until he (Ive) left?

Every iMac. Every iPod. Every iPhone. Every iPad. Every Mac mini. Every PowerMac since at least the G4, and likely the Blue&White G3. Every PowerBook/MacBook/MacBook Pro since the G4 Powerbook.

Every one of those devices came to being with Jony Ive as head of Industrial Design for Apple.


So, specifically what pre-Ive product are you claiming was "best in class" compared to a current contemporary that is "worst in class"?
 
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It's not a given; it's a rumor.

The only likely reason I could see for Apple going back to "legacy ports" (from Apple's perspective of course), is if they have some limitation in Apple Silicon that means they can't offer 4 TB3/USB4 ports on the next machines. That would be a terrible admission of design failure. If they fixed it next year, would they then replace HMDI/SD card slots with the TB3 ports again? Flip-flopping on the design would be even worse...

It's certainly conceivable that Apple has conducted customer and market surveys and found that they are losing MacBook Pro sales due to it missing these ports, but most people who need these (myself included) have just moved on and have USB-C adapters (or docks / cables) for all of these.

Apple is quite considered in its design changes, and I can't think of another example where they've gone back from a "future-looking" standard, like TB3 to an older one.

I agree that HDMI and SD card slots are still useful to many people, but I just don't see Apple back-tracking unless they are forced to.

I guess we'll see! I may be completely wrong...

Yup. Kuo coming out on SD and HDMI have it seeming like they are a given, particularly with the names of one of the companies providing the hardware. No mention of USB-A.

USB-A is nice when you just want to use a wired or Logitech mouse. For whatever reason, the vast majority of Logitech mice are not Bluetooth nor do they have a USB-C plug.
 
That is not "The Apple Way". They make the market, they don't follow it.

It's not always successful, <cough> Firewire <cough>.

I have a PowerMac G5 sitting in my office. I use it as a stand for my backpack. I bought that and they announced the end of the line for that CPU two years later. The buried that market. My MacBook Pros have Thunderbolt 2 which never really caught on and there's rather a dearth of devices supporting it. I haven't seen any Thunderbolt 2 mice or keyboards. You have to turn to older ports like USB-A for those.
 
most every pro mirrorless camera has SD card slots, all but like a couple brand new models. Even most DSLRs made in the past 10 years use SD cards. I don’t use CF Express on my R5 because the cards are ridiculously expensive and I dont shoot 8K video. That’s the only reason you would ever need to shoot with CFE. Even the 150 megapixel Phase One IQ4 and 100 megapixel Fuji GFX 100 uses SD cards, and they are medium format cameras that produce massive files. SD is still by far the industry standard and its not going anywhere any time soon

Most pro mirrorless cameras? There are only 3 that remotely fit pro (Canon R5, Nikon Z7ii, Sony A1), the pro mirrorless bodies from Canon and Nikon aren't out yet nor even announced. And I honestly can't believe someone would spend $300 on a SD card that makes 300MB/s at best as a main card when there is a far more rugged and 5x faster CF Express card for the same or less money. Not to mention, the previous generation cameras where almost exclusively CF but we are happy to let them die even if they still out speed most SD cards.
 
Most pro mirrorless cameras? There are only 3 that remotely fit pro (Canon R5, Nikon Z7ii, Sony A1), the pro mirrorless bodies from Canon and Nikon aren't out yet nor even announced. And I honestly can't believe someone would spend $300 on a SD card that makes 300MB/s at best as a main card when there is a far more rugged and 5x faster CF Express card for the same or less money. Not to mention, the previous generation cameras where almost exclusively CF but we are happy to let them die even if they still out speed most SD cards.

I find them handy as cheap storage for videos in a format that's flush or near flush to the laptop. My SD cards are a lot slower than 300 MB/s but they're fine for watching downloaded YouTube videos.
 
I can’t be the only one here but… I never owned a MacBook Pro until recently and I though the touch bar was a totally ridiculous, gimmick of an idea. I then bought my M1 Pro despite my reservations around the Touch Bar and, well, it’s pretty cool actually…
I think most people who don't like it had the butterfly keyboard generation of Macbooks where the touchbar had no separate escape key or fingerprint reader and was jammed right up against the numbers. My first encounter was in the 16" post-butterfly Pro and I'm perfectly fine with it. Having context-specific icons and sliders more than makes up for the lack of "real button feel" when pressing a numbered function key. I hope they keep it in the next generation.
 
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I find them handy as cheap storage for videos in a format that's flush or near flush to the laptop. My SD cards are a lot slower than 300 MB/s but they're fine for watching downloaded YouTube videos.

That isn't exactly a compelling reason to add a slot to a pro laptop. It remains a good reason for the Air to have SD cards on the other hand.
 
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