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Tell me why I should read this 20+ year old book. What are its claims? Be specific.
“today’s news”, right now, is only a rumor.
It seems to be the next design change similar to the iPhone X. They probably will have a slim max the following year beside it
It's all in the title and the source is the book. And why does the age of the book matter?
I certainly remember the first iPad Air and its stingy 1GB RAM. Safari tabs constantly refreshing. Same with apps every time you switched from one to the other. Most people might not know what RAM is but they know the frustration of not having enough of it.
Dear Apple,
Please stop locking features to device sizes. Some people want small devices with all the features and others want large devices with minimal features.
Thanks,
Everyone
Please stop locking features to device sizes. Some people want small devices with all the features and others want large devices with minimal features.
Thanks,
Everyone
How often have these rumors been popping up every year (e.g. newest iPhone is about to release and macrumors is posting rumors of next years iPhone)?
I've seen them previous years but I feel like the 17 rumors are more numerous than before.
I've seen them previous years but I feel like the 17 rumors are more numerous than before.
I love iPhones. I eagerly await each year's "upgrade." I read the comments and wondered if I was the only one not struggling with the current RAM. Truth, I do not use graphically intensive games on my phone. Preferring to play the on a computer. Also, what is the obsession with worrying about the iPhone 7 when we've not even gotten our hands on the 16? I guess I'm like everybody else here I read the articles. I read the comments and I feel compelled to say something. Get the 16 talk about everything you don't like about it, compare it to Android that has more RAM than a Mac as someone mentioned, and move on. If you need more RAM and can't get it on an iPhone switch to Android.
It matters a lot as it speaks to a snapshot in time many years ago. Three years before iPhone was introduced. And all under a different CEO.
Claims are important. Feel free to list a few. It can't be that difficult.
And how does it relate to the amount of RAM in iPhones (the subject of this thread)? And the claim by many that it's not enough for proper iPhone operation?
At this point, just drop the Pro for the “Air/Slim”. Just make it match the iPad at this point.
- iPhone 17
- iPhone 17 Air
- iPhone 17 Pro (Max name dropped - or use Ultra, like the Watch)
If they are going to making the 17 “pro” not as “pro” as the “pro max” then might as well.
- iPhone 17
- iPhone 17 Air
- iPhone 17 Pro (Max name dropped - or use Ultra, like the Watch)
If they are going to making the 17 “pro” not as “pro” as the “pro max” then might as well.
Interesting. While it is all speculation at this point, all of the current rumors indicate the iPhone 17 Slim/Air will still have a camera bump. Slim phone with a bump sounds stupid to me but that is the current rumor
I'm never going to buy a bigger iPhone or another smartphone. The 6.1-6.3 inch screen size is already the limit for me.
I agree with you!
I just sat down and had a hands on with googles new folding pro phone.
Yea, if Apple announces the new iphone and it has the same look and feel, a dynamic island and the gimmick this year is "AI"
Then I'll be trading in my iphone 14PM for a Pixel fold pro.
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Don't you understand? That 12GB RAM chip is BIG! IT'S HUGE! No way it fits in a smaller iPhone. It's physics. 😂
You'll have to do your own research. I'm not reading the book for you, I've already read it for myself. It is a good read though. The whole point here is for you to read it to get a better understanding regarding what I am talking about. It pertains to this thread because some of the people posting on MR act as if more RAM is a bad thing, and that Apple is doing no wrong by not including more RAM in their phones. More RAM is never a bad thing, especially when RAM is cheap in 2024.
That seems to dovetail with your view that Apple iPhone customers are sheep. Got it. Thanks for the heads-up. I'm not asking you to read the book for me. I'll base my views on my and many others' personal experiences.
I'll pass on the 23 year old book that apparently aligns with you view about Apple customers being sheep.
So...what is the correct amount of RAM in iPhones? Because you feel so strongly about that subject, despite people not experiencing delays/slow-downs... as a systems engineer I would love to see your detailed systems engineering-based analysis as to why.
Thanks!
You do realize 12 GB on an iPhone isn't going to necessarily run the same as 12 GB on an Android, right? The iPhone has always needed less RAM than Androids to function the same, if not better.
RAM has already become the limiting factor on Apple Intelligence, with the 15 Pro being the only phone with 8GB of RAM which they deem is what can run it. Even if the 8GB 17 Pro and 12GB 17 Pro Max are at feature parity in release year, what about the next several years when they're looking at deploying bigger and bigger AI models that need more RAM, there's no magic around that.
Take the likely scenario where the 17 pro max introduces 12GB, and then the 18 Pro regular also has 12GB and so on. The regular 17 Pro with 8GB might get left behind with larger LLMs before the 17 Pro Max, and that's annoying for it to even be a thing to think about beyond a size choice and not what they just physically can't cram in yet like larger lenses.
I never said there was a correct amount of RAM, I said more RAM is always better. Being a systems engineer, I'm sure you knew this already. Even though I shouldn't have to, I can easily break this down for you:
1. Multitasking:
- Simultaneous Apps: More RAM allows the phone to keep multiple apps open in the background without closing them. This means you can switch between apps seamlessly without noticeable delays.
- Heavy Apps: For demanding apps like gaming or video editing, having more RAM ensures the app has enough space to load its assets and run smoothly.
2. App Performance:
- Faster Loading: When an app is launched, it loads its data into RAM. With more RAM, apps can load faster and respond more quickly to user input.
- Smoother Operation: More RAM can help prevent apps from crashing or freezing, especially under heavy load.
3. Background Tasks:
- Efficient Operation: Many apps perform tasks in the background, such as syncing data or checking for notifications. With more RAM, these tasks can run more efficiently without impacting the performance of your foreground apps.
4. Better Gaming Experience:
- Higher graphics settings: Games can often run at higher graphics settings with more RAM, resulting in better visuals and a more immersive experience.
- Reduced frame rate drops: More RAM can help prevent frame rate drops, which can make gameplay feel choppy or inconsistent.
5. Future-Proofing:
- Evolving Apps: As apps become more complex and resource-hungry, having more RAM can help ensure that your phone remains capable of running them smoothly for years to come.
Wow, Apple must really not want my money if this is true. There is no way I am buying that huge and heavy Pro Max so I guess I'll possibly hold off on the 17 Pro and wait for the 18 Pro. Geez. The reason my wife and I aren't buying the 16 Pro is due to the 8gb of RAM.
Just wait for the iPhone 20 or whatever they will call it in 2027. For the 20th iPhone's anniversary something will change like it did with iPhone X in 2017. Personally I will buy the iPhone 16 Pro and I don't give a crap about the future iPhones for the next 3-4 years. I am ready to go all in on USB-C and this is the year to do it.
I like my father's iPhone 15 Pro Max but I will never buy a bigger iPhone than the Pro model. Apple can stick their Pro Max where the sun never shines because I am not buying any Pro Max iPhone or a 6.7-6.9 inch iPhone or any smartphone with that screen size.
I like my father's iPhone 15 Pro Max but I will never buy a bigger iPhone than the Pro model. Apple can stick their Pro Max where the sun never shines because I am not buying any Pro Max iPhone or a 6.7-6.9 inch iPhone or any smartphone with that screen size.
Never a fan of Apple's attempt to upsell you to the Pro Max by giving it exclusive features (which are then inevitably expanded to the non-Max Pro the following year).
I am not of fan of this either! **** whoever approves this strategy at Apple.