Kuo: No New Macs or iPads Expected to Launch for Remainder of 2023

[Kierkegaarden]

I don’t see any reason why they would release anything now. It makes sense to have three events each year — spring, summer, fall. Summer could be Mac, fall is iPhone/Watch, and spring could be iPad/Vision.

 

[swiftapplefan]

If that trend continues for the remainder of 2023 as expected, it would be the first calendar year with no new iPads released in the device's 13-year history.

This sure is interesting…

 

[minik]

iMac is clearly the biggest joke of them all. Probably couldn't squeeze the margin they wanted by putting in M2 and maybe bumping the storage.

We actually bought a couple of those M1 iMac recently as they didn't want notebook nor Mac mini + external display. Speaking of M1 iMac, we sent one off for a repair (failed memory) two weeks ago and they were still waiting for the logic board to arrive. Few days ago I went online and attempted to do a BTO, the estimated shipping time was a whole month.

Apple is telling us to save up for the Apple Vision Pro.

 

[swiftapplefan]

I don’t see any reason why they would release anything now. It makes sense to have three events each year — spring, summer, fall. Summer could be Mac, fall is iPhone/Watch, and spring could be iPad/Vision.

B-but winter? 4 seasons and only 3 events? They don’t line up, where’s the inclusivity? 😭

/s

 

[Populus]

Ok, signing out for this year, see you guys next year!

Hey, there are still other interesting topics on the forum, such as the picture of the day, the iOS 17 speculation thread, or the M3 discussion. And don’t forget the threads about battery life!

 

[ProfessionalFan]

I'd like to thank Tim for helping me not spend money

 

[ProfessionalFan]

Just hope they do something new by spring.

Feb event I bet

 

[dannys1]

Well since Febuary this year...

It won't be an M3

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/new-macbook-air-said-to-launch-next-quarter-following-rumor-of-15-inch-model.2380765/post-31965953

You won't see an M3 this year.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/new-macbook-air-said-to-launch-next-quarter-following-rumor-of-15-inch-model.2380765/post-31967978

That won't happen, it always starts at the bottom and works up - they're not going to start with the highest. The Mac Pro will be the first to get an M2 Ultra or eqiv. The highest end M3 won't be here until 2025.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/new-macbook-air-said-to-launch-next-quarter-following-rumor-of-15-inch-model.2380765/post-31976734

Tim, I guarantee you, you're not getting any M3 Macs in 2023.

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...hone-15-pro-and-m3-macs.2381637/post-31985342 - Feb 2023

Mark Gurman knows less than me, he's not even a good speculator. I've been tell you for the last 6 months nothing this year is going to ship with anything other than an M2 based processor. You're all trying to jump three steps ahead, you won't see M3 until M1 Ultra isn't the most powerful processor in Apple's line up.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/15-inch-macbook-air-with-m2-like-chip-spotted-in-developer-logs.2386830/post-32099548

And others - like me, have said you won't see them this year. I've got a better track record that Kuo or Gurman that this site likes to quote all the time.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/kuo-m3-chip-still-months-away-entering-mass-production-in-second-half-of-2023.2387338/post-32115734

Won't happen. Gurman is wrong once again. He's been consistently wrong and i've no idea why this site keeps reporting him like he's gospel. My own track record based on just common sense and understanding how business works is more accurate than Gurman.

Like I said last year there would be no M2 until 2023 and there wasn't, there won't be any M3 until 2023. There's nothing to update. The M2 MacBook Pros won't be updated within 12 months of their release. They JUST released a new M2 MacBook Air so it doesn't make sense to make that outdated in months. The only system due an upgrade is the iMac and if they're going to bother to do that at all (poor sales, hard to manufacture, lack of parts, long lead times) they'd just make the M2 version first.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-suppliers-reportedly-gearing-up-for-new-macs-later-this-year.2397065/post-32347233

Absolute nonsense again - Apple are not going to bring out a new model of a MacBook Pro less than a year after they released the last one.

M3 will be in the lower end machines first.

I mean you keep quoting Gurmans nonsense haven't you learnt the simple logical upgrade cycle and time length yet? You run a page which tells people when it's safe to upgrade and you don't appear to have grasped the basics yourselves yet Macrumors editors.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-to-launch-14-inch-and-16-inch-macbook-pro-models-with-more-power-efficient-displays-this-year-claims-report.2406409/post-32602308

 

[coffeemilktea]

I'd really hoped for a new iMac this holiday season, especially since my 2017 iMac can no longer be updated to the latest version of macOS. 😢

 

[Mr. Dee]

I think the Mac Hardware folks are super exhausted. They have been on this non-stop since 2020 when it was announced. Also, keep in mind the proto-type work likely started back as early as 2016. Also keep in mind, executives might have said, lets put our resources toward Vision Pro and get that done although its basically feature complete. But hey, work might now be ramping up on v2 so they need the engineers for that.

 

[Corefile]

MacWorld event first week of January 2024?

 

[picpicmac]

iMac is clearly the biggest joke of them all.

Or maybe the current 24" iMac fills its niche and a new one is not that necessary.

 

[picpicmac]

I'd really hoped for a new iMac this holiday season, especially since my 2017 iMac can no longer be updated to the latest version of macOS. 😢

Me too, as my 2008 iMac is so long in the tooth that it is losing functionality faster than I.

 

[2540497]

Wonder if we will ever get a two year iPhone cycle?

 

[BitBLT]

But how about this worse pencil.

 

[jrath1]

Perfect time to release a new Airport Extreme mesh. One can dream. 🤤

 

[Shaggymax]

Inconceivable! What a crappy bear market...

 

[picpicmac]

... we end Apple Season. See you all next Apple Season.

The fruit will fall off the tree in the season when it's ripe....

 

[JPack]

And yet, one of the principal arguments slung for Apple going Silicon by "we all" was that they would no longer have to wait for Intels annual updates anymore. I'm not sure this is how "we all" expected getting off those annual updates was expected to go. But maybe that goes with another goodie from back then: "not having to pay the Intel premium means we can get more powerful Macs at cheaper prices."

But seriously: there is no cycles to be judged in 2 iterations of anything... no patterns to nail down in 2 iterations, etc. Flip a coin: heads. Flip it again: heads. I proclaim that all coin flips forever after will be heads. Obviously, I will be wrong.

We probably can't take a good shot at identifying some pattern until about M4 or M5... because these early years are overwhelmed by Covid and Supply Chain effects unlikely to repeat in increasingly "normalizing" times... if one believes they are normalizing. Even 3 consistent coin flips won't project the fourth with any accuracy at all.

If you consider the complexity of the M-series chips and compare it with the number of Macs and iPad Pros sold, there's is no way Apple would update every 12 months. The cost to revenue doesn't add up.

Annual chip updates for iPhone make sense because it represents over 50% of Apple's revenue. Mac and iPad Pro represent less than 20%.

You can wait until M4, M5, or M12 and blame the pandemic and supply chain. None of that makes sense given silicon design is hardly an in-person activity.

 

[4743913]

Tim Cook's October Keynote..

Suddenly I don't feel bad about buying an iPad Mini 6 a year late..

 

[Chuckeee]

But how about this worse pencil.

I don’t know about that.

When my daughter comes home from college for winter break she is always over joyed to get the latest apple product as a Christmas gift. This year I don’t need to break the bank, I can just get her a new PENCIL. I’ll bet she will be surprised.

 

[ThomasJL]

Tim Cook's specialty is selling old hardware at much higher than reasonable new hardware prices. But hey, the fanboys on this forum don't mind because they think that Cook is doing an excellent job as long as he maximizes profits for Apple and its shareholders.

 

[Jason wise]

Not sure why some people get upset about this. These yearly product releases are getting old and are heavy on the wallet for something incremental. I’m victim to it, but at the same time I’m happy for a breather. Next year there is Vision Goggles, likely new AirPod headphones upgraded to USB-C, most certainly iPads, new keyboards, MacBooks, new iPhone of course … and lord knows what else … I’d rather save the rest of this year to decide what my upgrade strategy is for next.

How often do you upgraded??? You shouldn’t need to upgrade anything for years. This is the problem. People constantly upgrading every year hurts the environment. Seriously.

 

[seek3r]

I don’t know about that.

When my daughter comes home from college for winter break she is always over joyed to get the latest apple product as a Christmas gift. This year I don’t need to break the bank, I can just get her a new PENCIL. I’ll bet she will be surprised.

Get her a bag of a new variety of actual apples!

 

[bradman83]

Not sure why some people get upset about this. These yearly product releases are getting old and are heavy on the wallet for something incremental. I’m victim to it, but at the same time I’m happy for a breather. Next year there is Vision Goggles, likely new AirPod headphones upgraded to USB-C, most certainly iPads, new keyboards, MacBooks, new iPhone of course … and lord knows what else … I’d rather save the rest of this year to decide what my upgrade strategy is for next.

Why would yearly product releases be heavy on the wallet? You're not supposed to buy a new Mac or iPad every year, both should last an average user 3-4 years before needing to be upgraded at a minimum. By then those boring incremental updates will add up to a nice upgrade for those who waited.