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Recently got the M2Pro MacBook Pro and glad to have done that. It made no sense for Apple to update them to M3Pro now. Most of Macs have been updated in 2023, except the 13 inch MacBooks and the iMac.

As for the iPads, I frankly thought they’d update the mini and the regular iPad this year at least, considering the Air launch has moved to March since the past couple of updates.
 
They're worse at releasing Mac chips on a frequent and reliable schedule than Intel were...
 
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The current iPad does everything the next one will. That's a fact.

The new Vision platform is Apple's big focus right now. That's likely drawn engineers away from the Mac and iPad teams.

We've got exciting things to look forward to! Be happy about that. 😃
The new toy is more a gimmick than a production device
 
In the future, wouldn't it make more sense to release the Pro and Max chips first, with the bog-standard chips a few months later? Rather than have the fancy machines lag behind their much cheaper counterparts in single core performance for half a year or so?
 
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Waaaaaa.....I was hoping an M3 Macbook Pro would come out so I could buy the M2 Macbook Pro on sale.

Guess gotta hope for some Black Friday-type deals now. Oh well.
 
You need to disrupt MacBook sales in order to correct the 30% decrease in sales
...the 30% decrease in "sales" likely only exists because they're falling back from an unprecedented boom in 2021-2022 (due to the initial release of Apple Silicon and other widely-discussed geopolitical events) - its not because people don't like the current Macs, its because they already bought one 10-18 months ago and their disposable income has just taken a substantial real-terms haircut.

Worst thing Apple could do now is panic based on a short-term view and release half-baked products. They should keep their powder dry and wait for a proper 3nm "M3" which should be a major step forward in power/performance and stands a better chance of getting people to open their wallets.
 
They're worse at releasing Mac chips on a frequent and reliable schedule than Intel were...

The “Mac chips” are just iPhone chips. And there is no chance Apple is going to cut production of the A17 and A17 Pro for the M3.

Mac is not important to Apple, as iPhone is their money maker.

Mac will be updated after capacity frees up after the iPhone gets their update, which will be next year as there are still shipping delays with the iPhone.
 
Should I just get a mac studio/mac mini or wait for the mythical iMac Pro? I have an ageing 2015 iMac 27 inch. I don't want a 24 inch iMac and I don't really want a mac studio or mini either but how long must I wait for the 27 inch iMac/iMac Pro?
 
I didn't say they SHOULD. I pointed out that that is what "we all" were slinging as part of rationalizing the change from Intel to Silicon.
I think you hit the nail on the head with the "we all" thing.

I wonder, did Apple ever "sling" that as part of the reason for going to Apple Silicon? I very much doubt that a 12-month cycle for the M-series chips was part of the target. It's kinda an obligation for the iPhone since many people still seem to be locked into the pattern of annual replacements (plus, I suspect the fatality rate of iPhones is fairly high...) but there's still a substantial amount of R&D to turn those new cores into Mx and (usually 6+ months later) Mx Max-based chips.

Number 1 priority was most likely cost savings from vertical integration (no way would Apple Silicon have happened under Tim Cook if it wasn't going to be better for the bottom line). Apple also caught the x86 world with their trousers down when it comes to power/performance - they're playing catch-up now.

Also, the Intel timeline thing wasn't simply about not having a new chip every 12 months. It was getting unpredictable - with chips being promised every 12 months but not delivered. One would hope that Apple now have more control over the timeline and better notice of delays (we'll never know, but a lot of the "delay" stories now seem to consist of analysts knocking down their own straw men - AFAIK Apple have never even officially mentioned M3). Also, it also seemed to be the case that Intel would announce "Generation N" and release the best-selling models (as used by the OEM box-shifters) but it would then be months and months - if ever - before they released the specific TDP/clock speed/GPU model that Apple needed for their designs.
 
The “Mac chips” are just iPhone chips. And there is no chance Apple is going to cut production of the A17 and A17 Pro for the M3.

Mac is not important to Apple, as iPhone is their money maker.

Mac will be updated after capacity frees up after the iPhone gets their update, which will be next year as there are still shipping delays with the iPhone.
You think lack of capacity was the reason that M2 never hit the iMac? I can't imagine they're that heavily constrained...
 
You think lack of capacity was the reason that M2 never hit the iMac? I can't imagine they're that heavily constrained...

M3 is for sure capacity constraint, as Apple is still unable to produce enough iPhone's based on 3nm TSMC.

Only when the iPhone demand slows down, Apple has freedom to scale up the A17 into M3.
 
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M3 is for sure capacity constraint, as Apple is still unable to produce enough iPhone's based on 3nm TSMC.

Only when the iPhone demand slows down, Apple has freedom to scale up the A17 into M3.
I agree M3 had a big constraint, but did M2?
 
Should I just get a mac studio/mac mini or wait for the mythical iMac Pro? I have an ageing 2015 iMac 27 inch. I don't want a 24 inch iMac and I don't really want a mac studio or mini either but how long must I wait for the 27 inch iMac/iMac Pro?
I was in the same boat as you continuing to plug along with my late 2014 27” retina iMac in hopes of an M series replacement. Since it never came, the rumor are just that - rumors, once Apple came out with the M2 Pro Mac mini, I jumped. I paired it to an Apple Studio Display and have my mini mounted out of site.

So for all intents and purposes, my experience now is the same as when I had an iMac and I can now upgrade the mini at any time and keep the ASD.

So for me it is a win win.
 
Why exactly do we need an M3 today? Even the M1 and its variants would hold few people back.
A reliable schedule makes purchasing easier, for individuals and companies. I should have mentioned that failing to update products with the newer chips is even more irritating. The lack of a reliable schedule, and skipping nodes, is a surprise after Apple bemoaned Intel for causing lack of regular updates...
 
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While I have not read every single post…I have managed until recently with a delicious iMac dated 2011, but wanting to upgrade to a M2 iMac. Vexed, I turned to refurbished iMacs available on a river-related website. 2018, 8 GB, 1TB without a single scratch for £370. This will tide me over and … can be re-sold. It works for me.
 
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