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Kuo: Only iPhone 15 Pro Models Will Support Higher-Speed Data Transfers With USB-C Upgrade
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Nah, I don’t buy it. It’ll be 2023, and USB 2 is WAAAY too slow.
For crying out loud, my first Mac was an iMac G4 USB 2.0, a model from 2003. There’s no way Apple will introduce a brand new device with a 20-year-old connectivity standard, the same as on the iPods from the following year, and even slower than the one from my first iPod, a 3G model with a 30-pin connector and FireWire 400 (yeah, sure, USB 2.0 peak speeds are indeed faster, but not consistently so).
Considering the chips Apple is coming up with, and how the basic M1 supports Thunderbolt 3, I’m guessing the Pro models will get it, whereas the regular iPhone will get USB 3 (what kind, I don’t know nor care, because the USB naming scheme is a freaking mess). Also, if you recall, there was at least one iPad model with a Lightning port that actually supported USB 3 speeds already (one of the first pre-USB-C Pro models, back from 2015, if I’m not mistaken, when connected to the camera adapter); if such an old device with the current connector could support those speeds, it would be dumbfounding and extremely petty of Apple to still cap new iPhones at USB 2.
Heck, considering the kinds of video codecs the current iPhones already support, including ProRes, it IS dumbfounding that said USB 3 Lightning connector hasn’t found its way into the Pro models, or even ALL models, already. 🤦♂️
Edit: Fast forward almost one year and the only reason why I'm not eating massive amounts of claim chowder right now is the fact that I did hint at this being a possibility, so… to quote myself, “dumbfounding and extremely petty” it is. 🙄
Suffice to say, I will not be buying an iPhone 15, or any iPhone with USB-C 2.1 for that matter, until they review this stupid stance. I may make an exception if they hold me hostage and the next iPhone Mini they're ever bothered to produce again doesn't feature at the very least USB-C 3.x either, but I will do so extremely begrudgingly and only because I don't see myself working in video production with iPhones in any capacity, anytime soon.
For crying out loud, my first Mac was an iMac G4 USB 2.0, a model from 2003. There’s no way Apple will introduce a brand new device with a 20-year-old connectivity standard, the same as on the iPods from the following year, and even slower than the one from my first iPod, a 3G model with a 30-pin connector and FireWire 400 (yeah, sure, USB 2.0 peak speeds are indeed faster, but not consistently so).
Considering the chips Apple is coming up with, and how the basic M1 supports Thunderbolt 3, I’m guessing the Pro models will get it, whereas the regular iPhone will get USB 3 (what kind, I don’t know nor care, because the USB naming scheme is a freaking mess). Also, if you recall, there was at least one iPad model with a Lightning port that actually supported USB 3 speeds already (one of the first pre-USB-C Pro models, back from 2015, if I’m not mistaken, when connected to the camera adapter); if such an old device with the current connector could support those speeds, it would be dumbfounding and extremely petty of Apple to still cap new iPhones at USB 2.
Heck, considering the kinds of video codecs the current iPhones already support, including ProRes, it IS dumbfounding that said USB 3 Lightning connector hasn’t found its way into the Pro models, or even ALL models, already. 🤦♂️
Edit: Fast forward almost one year and the only reason why I'm not eating massive amounts of claim chowder right now is the fact that I did hint at this being a possibility, so… to quote myself, “dumbfounding and extremely petty” it is. 🙄
Suffice to say, I will not be buying an iPhone 15, or any iPhone with USB-C 2.1 for that matter, until they review this stupid stance. I may make an exception if they hold me hostage and the next iPhone Mini they're ever bothered to produce again doesn't feature at the very least USB-C 3.x either, but I will do so extremely begrudgingly and only because I don't see myself working in video production with iPhones in any capacity, anytime soon.
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I've had my iPhone 12 Pro Max since launch. More than two years.
Like others... I've never connected this iPhone to a computer. My previous iPhones I connected frequently... back when iTunes syncing was a thing. But I don't do that anymore.
I'm more excited about having a USB-C port for charging rather than high-speed data transfer that I will likely never do.
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Like others... I've never connected this iPhone to a computer. My previous iPhones I connected frequently... back when iTunes syncing was a thing. But I don't do that anymore.
I'm more excited about having a USB-C port for charging rather than high-speed data transfer that I will likely never do.
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I'm sure that limiting it to USB 2 speeds will be better for the environment
Why, oh why are you like this, Apple? Just do the thing in all the places. So unnecessary to limit this.
Eventually they would make a new interface. Just like they made Lightning when needed.
The iPhone 15 Pro models that are planned for next year will support higher wired transfer speeds thanks to the transition to USB-C, according to Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo.
While all iPhone 15 models are going to feature USB-C ports instead of Lightning ports, the faster transfer speeds will be limited to the iPhone 15 Pro models. Standard iPhone 15 models will continue to feature USB 2.0 speeds, the same as Lightning.
Kuo says that transfer speeds will likely "improve markedly" on the iPhone 15 Pro models, with support for "at least" USB 3.2 or Thunderbolt 3. With the upgrade, iPhone 15 Pro models will be able to transfer video files and other file types at quicker speeds, with Kuo predicting a significantly improved user experience.
USB 2.0 transfer speeds are limited to 480Mb/s, while USB 3.2 supports speeds up to 20Gb/s. Thunderbolt 3 supports data transfer speeds up to 40Gb/s, so if Kuo is correct, there will be a major difference in wired data transfer speeds between Pro and non-Pro iPhone 15 models.
Apple is transitioning to USB-C across its product lineup, and the first USB-C iPhones are due next year. Apple is making the change in order to comply with European regulations that require electronic devices to have non-proprietary, common charging methods.
Article Link: Kuo: Only iPhone 15 Pro Models Will Support Higher-Speed Data Transfers With USB-C Upgrade
If this turns out to be true, this is all our doing. We enabled Apple to do as they wish for too long that they're comfortable with everything while we pay the premium price. Unless we revolt or tell them it's enough, watch it get worse by the day. Timmy only cares about profit, innovation my a$$.
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This would be a good time to add support for the Apple Pencil.
As soon as the 10th gen iPad got USB 2 I saw the writing on the wall.
Come 2024 when the EU rules hit, perhaps the portless phone will be the regular iPhone, with only the Pro models touting the 'Power of Thunderbolt'?
Come 2024 when the EU rules hit, perhaps the portless phone will be the regular iPhone, with only the Pro models touting the 'Power of Thunderbolt'?
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Because cellphones cost around $200, you can get good ones for $400, and only flagship phones are in the $800+ range. And Apple's trying to peddle a flagship price with lackluster features more commonly found in $200-$400 phones.
What sort of decisions has Tim Cook made, make you think that?USB 2.0 in 2023? Definitely feels like a Tim Cook decision.
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That link basically just said that good design should incorporate costs in the design.
As a practically lifelong Apple Geek of almost 40 years, this is just... embarrassing.
USB 2.0 in 2023. What in the actual...
USB 2.0 in 2023. What in the actual...
IF the 15ProMax features periscope lens and USB-C it will be an instant buy for me, higher transfer speed will the the icing on the top
USB 3.2 whateverthehecktheycallitthesedays via USB-C on the iPhone 15, and Thunderbolt 4 on the iPhone 15 Pro would be perfectly reasonable in 2023.
I only buy the Pros anyway, but if they do something really lame with the base models, just as an Apple Guy I might hold onto my 12 Pro for another year, to spite them.
Noooo. It's called product marketing. It's an upsell mechanism.
You may live to eat these words...
I hope to god you're right, and this USB 2.0 USB-C rumor turns out to be BS.
LOL, another Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo assumption. more times than not he is slightly correct or totally wrong. at this point in the date who cares. They cost much more than this year's phones.
This is something Apple would do lol. They did this with the 10th gen iPad (USB-C finally but in USB 2.0 speeds lol), so it's possible they'll do the same with the regular iPhone 15 models.
I can't imagine a portless iPhone complies with the new legislative requirements?
And now I'm wondering, what exact wording did they use... ugh.
It's just a charging port for most people, especially the segment that buys the non-Pro models. I am a "Pro" and I don't transfer files over USB.
well, chicken soup and carrot and broth to make it. Portless seems to be the way apple will be going after the 15.
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USB 2, so it's premium.
It meets the requirements. The law doesn’t force manufacturers to add a USB-C port if the device can’t be charged by wire.