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Kuo: Only iPhone 15 Pro Models Will Support Higher-Speed Data Transfers With USB-C Upgrade

Well, I gave Apple the old College try for about 6 months, but switched back to Android from my 11Pro to a used S21, this week (still have my IPad). Two things did me in. One was an issue between my carrier in Korea and Apple disagreeing on why I wasn't able to access the carrier's free wifi automatically after the iOS16 updates. Apple said phone is fine (wifi works from other places, although more slowly to connect), but SK Telecom said it was "an Apple problem with my phone." That was the biggest strike against Apple. The second big choice was due to exactly what I feared from this article -- the squeezing of input/output speeds, and using slower parts (and seeing little improvement in future generations) vs what I can now get with Samsung/Android phones. So i sold my IPhone 11Pro for $336 and bought a used s21 in perfect shape for $261, here in Seoul. Screen is 120Hz, Ram is DDR5, Modem is 3x faster on my home network and works well with wifi 6 AND 6E.... basically everything except CPU is more updated (and I have more than enough CPU speed in the older s21 that I keep it on 70% max for longer battery). I absolutely thrilled with the s21, so far. I have wifi transfer speeds 3x higher than I did with my 11Pro, much better USB speeds, and more freedom to move and save files. Not into social media apps, or I probably would have endured Apple for a while longer.
 
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And with only a $100 difference between Pro and non-pro! You can’t lose!

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Mainyehc said:
Nah, I don’t buy it. It’ll be 2023, and USB 2 is WAAAY too slow.

For crying out loud, my first Mac was an iMac G4 USB 2.0, a model from 2003. There’s no way Apple will introduce a brand new device with a 20-year-old connectivity standard, the same as on the iPods from the following year, and even slower than the one from my first iPod, a 3G model with a 30-pin connector and FireWire 400 (yeah, sure, USB 2.0 peak speeds are indeed faster, but not consistently so).

Considering the chips Apple is coming up with, and how the basic M1 supports Thunderbolt 3, I’m guessing the Pro models will get it, whereas the regular iPhone will get USB 3 (what kind, I don’t know nor care, because the USB naming scheme is a freaking mess). Also, if you recall, there was at least one iPad model with a Lightning port that actually supported USB 3 speeds already (one of the first pre-USB-C Pro models, back from 2015, if I’m not mistaken, when connected to the camera adapter); if such an old device with the current connector could support those speeds, it would be dumbfounding and extremely petty of Apple to still cap new iPhones at USB 2.

Heck, considering the kinds of video codecs the current iPhones already support, including ProRes, it IS dumbfounding that said USB 3 Lightning connector hasn’t found its way into the Pro models, or even ALL models, already. 🤦‍♂️
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The new iPad has USB 2.0 speeds with USBC FWIW :/
 
This guy is rarely right in his predictions (remember how he said new MacBook Pro M2 in September, then October, then November, then when none of those happened he changed his random guess to next year).

And who cares? When was the last time most transferred anything via a cable on their iPhone.

The current iPhone has WiFi 6. Future ones may skip the 6E and go right to 7. As it, it supports transfer speeds faster than most of your computer hard drives do. Gigs of videos transfers in seconds.
 
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cualexander said:
People who don’t buy a pro won’t notice about USB 2.0. I literally never connect my phone to a computer. Literally the only people that care are people that do a lot of digital video editing and those people will buy the pro model.

I really don’t get why people get so upset over inconsequential stuff. Want fast speeds? Buy a Pro. Want a feature Apple doesn’t offer? Don’t buy an iPhone. I’ve never been like “Oh no, this company won’t do what I want them to do.” So what? Don’t buy it if you don’t like it.
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It’s quite simply my friend. Apple is limiting the capability intentionally and it’s nefarious. Why wouldn’t someone be upset? Give people the choice. Don’t limit what’s available.
 
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bassexpander said:
Well, I gave Apple the old College try for about 6 months, but switched back to Android from my 11Pro to a used S21, this week (still have my IPad). Two things did me in. One was an issue between my carrier in Korea and Apple disagreeing on why I wasn't able to access the carrier's free wifi automatically after the iOS16 updates. Apple said phone is fine (wifi works from other places, although more slowly to connect), but SK Telecom said it was "an Apple problem with my phone." That was the biggest strike against Apple. The second big choice was due to exactly what I feared from this article -- the squeezing of input/output speeds, and using slower parts (and seeing little improvement in future generations) vs what I can now get with Samsung/Android phones. So i sold my IPhone 11Pro for $336 and bought a used s21 in perfect shape for $261, here in Seoul. Screen is 120Hz, Ram is DDR5, Modem is 3x faster on my home network and works well with wifi 6 AND 6E.... basically everything except CPU is more updated (and I have more than enough CPU speed in the older s21 that I keep it on 70% max for longer battery). I absolutely thrilled with the s21, so far. I have wifi transfer speeds 3x higher than I did with my 11Pro, much better USB speeds, and more freedom to move and save files. Not into social media apps, or I probably would have endured Apple for a while longer.
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And, as far as I know, the S21 uses the speedy USB-C port for the Desk-top feature - far ahaed.
 
Is there any relationship between any USB(-C) standard and charging speed? I guess not since current phones have fast charge even over lightning, but I’m not sure if that applies to USB-C as well.
 
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Lounge vibes 05 said:
The majority of Android phones are limited to 2.0 speeds.
kuo even mentions this in his follow up tweet:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1593052349190508550
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Yes, because you have stuff like the Motorolla G6 Plus from 2018 using USB 2.0. Those phones are quite different from a $900 iPhone in 2023.

The "majority" of Android phones...except any Pixel ever released, the Samsung S-series back to the S8 in 2017, basically the entire Oppo Find line...

I can't recall ever connecting my iPhone to my computer with a cable, so I don't think it's that big of a deal, but if I'm paying double what something like a Pixel 6a costs, I'd expect the phone to have better hardware.
 
Solidbilly said:
Yes, because you have stuff like the Motorolla G6 Plus from 2018 using USB 2.0. Those phones are quite different from a $900 iPhone in 2023.

The "majority" of Android phones...except any Pixel ever released, the Samsung S-series back to the S8 in 2017, basically the entire Oppo Find line...

I can't recall ever connecting my iPhone to my computer with a cable, so I don't think it's that big of a deal, but if I'm paying double what something like a Pixel 6a costs, I'd expect the phone to have better hardware.
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Even the Pixel 6a has USB 3.1 speeds. All Samsung Galaxy S phones have USB 3.1 Kuo must be talking about $100-200 smartphones.
 
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thejadedmonkey said:
Because cellphones cost around $200, you can get good ones for $400, and only flagship phones are in the $800+ range. And Apple's trying to peddle a flagship price with lackluster features more commonly found in $200-$400 phones.
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I think they’re saying- “If it’s not the product you want, whether it’s because it lacks features or because the price is too high or etc, why is there a severe emotional response rather than just choosing to not buy the product? Since that’s how it usually works with other companies, why is it different with Apple?”
 
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This actually might make sense from the standpoint that the base 15's at the SOC level will just be 14 Pro retreads - which are lightning and hence USB 2.0. Base 16's (which will be 15 SOC retreads) will probably have the higher data rates.

Bit of a bummer, since wired data transfer for backups is not a fast thing on iOS, but such is the experience for the non premium phone now. (We really have the 14 (14 Pro's) and then the 13 New SE (base 14's) and the Old SE down the ladder.)
 
Michael Scrip said:
I've had my iPhone 12 Pro Max since launch. More than two years.

Like others... I've never connected this iPhone to a computer. My previous iPhones I connected frequently... back when iTunes syncing was a thing. But I don't do that anymore.

I'm more excited about having a USB-C port for charging rather than high-speed data transfer that I will likely never do.

🔌⚡:p
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Hi there. I created a thread a little while ago with a question that I think applies to your comment. I’ll post it here for you. Thanks!

I have an iPhone 12. Getting the 14 Pro in about a month.

I have a fairly large number of songs on my phone and many of them were not purchased through iTunes. They’re on a PC.

What I usually do when I get a new phone is use an iCloud backup. Then I have to sync using iTunes on my PC to get all my music on the new phone. Problem is the PC is very old and I’m not sure it will even turn on anymore. And the operating system is very old.

Is there a way to get all the music on my current phone to the new phone without using the PC?
 
The USB 3.0 spec was introduced way back in 2008. And it probably took a couple years to be put into actual shipping products.

But in other words... USB 3.0 has been a standard common protocol for at least 10 years.

So Apple is going out of their way to choose the older slower USB 2.0 protocol for some of their latest devices. Sad.

It doesn't really matter to me... as I will be buying a Pro phone anyway. But it still seems kinda silly.

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I haven't plugged a cable into my iPhone in several years, so I don't really care what they end up doing. A decade ago I might have cared. Cables are faster, but wifi works.

Speaking of which, how will Apple survive without a floppy drive in the iMac? /s
 
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not surprising!

most people are happy to have their photos and videos stored online. if i need something off my phone i go to the icloud site and download it there.

for those who shoot a lot of 4K or take a lot of photos then they are more likely to go for a Pro/Max model anyway and they can get fast wired transfers speeds.

i'm just happy to get a USB C port. i'll never use it to transfer files.
 
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