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Kuo: Reports of iPhone 8 Sales Woes 'Overdone' and 'Excessively Negative'
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Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I'm not sure why I even bother reading about the iPhone updates anymore, as I'm not the least bit interested. It's become a bit of a spectator sport for me, musing over which bit of functionality they'll decide to kill-off next. I'm hanging onto my iPhone 6 for as long as I can, and then when it dies a death I'll upgrade to... wait for it... an iPhone 6S.
Apple's last generation pricing never appealed to me.
Difference is way too low, wouldn't even think about it.
Now if we look at cheaper 3rd party channels instead, you can get a sealed iPhone 7 for a good third less than 8.
Since you know this about Ming-Chi Kuo with such certainty, why are you wasting your time posting here on MacRumors? I think that publications like the Wall Street Journal or Fortune, or even the FTC might be interested in hearing that an analyst at KGI Securities is under Apple's direct control. Is he on their payroll? As an Apple shareholder, I'd also want to know why Apple is doing this.
I did notice that when I bought my iPhone at the local 'MediaMarkt' here and they've had ton of those available. When I asked whether they had my specific device there the seller told me they've had plenty. I asked him if the iPhone 8 and 8 Plus were in popular demand. He insisted on saying 'yes', but later mentioned that so far they sold fewer than in previous years.
Of course that's just one retailer. And one location. But I wouldn't be surprised if Kuo is right. The iPhone 8 and 8 Plus are definitely good phones, but the upgrade rate is simply gonna be less compared to previous years. There's not much of a difference between iPhone 7 and 8. Heck, I bought an iPhone 8 Plus to actually justify an upgrade from the regular 7.
Anyway, I'm sure that Apple's is gonna put the sales of these devices in a way that it doesn't sound negative or worrying at all. After all, they still have the iPhone X as their 'secret weapon'. Look forward to the sales of those phones combined.
Had the same experience in my area at two different locations. I went last Friday just to check it out in person and there was plenty in stock no matter the size, color or storage. I don't think this spells doom for Apple, people are just used to having to lose sleep, stand in line for hours for a phone. Don't worry, it'll be back to normal come the 2nd of Nov.
OK, I'm going to say it: I get that all the focus and resources for the past two years has been on the iPhone X, but people are not fools. iPhone 8 is not an attractive by whichever way you slice it. It is definitely an expensive product, Apple could have appealed to many mire people if it started in the $500+ range, as shown by the revived iPhone 5 a.k.a. iPhone SE.
And if they didn't want to lower the price they could have put in a little effort not to illuminate but perhaps to reduce the bezel around the screen, even a few mms especially above and below the screen.
It is ridiculous that the iPhone 8 bezel proportions are almost identical to the original iPhone from 10 years earlier
And if they didn't want to lower the price they could have put in a little effort not to illuminate but perhaps to reduce the bezel around the screen, even a few mms especially above and below the screen.
It is ridiculous that the iPhone 8 bezel proportions are almost identical to the original iPhone from 10 years earlier
The iPhone 8 \ 8 Plus are good phones, but its not a huge difference for ppl that having 6s \ 7 (or the Plus versions), im guessing they will hold into their phones at least another year. If they’ll upgrade now, most likely they will go with new X coz of it having new design, unless all they want is a bump in storage or changing to different size.
On the other hand, if only they would release a smaller version of the 8 with 4” - 4.3” screen size to replace the correct SE…
On the other hand, if only they would release a smaller version of the 8 with 4” - 4.3” screen size to replace the correct SE…
You seriously think people are not buying a phone because the bezels aren’t a few mm thinner? The average consumer doesn’t give a crap about bezels. This is just an obasession in the tech world because tech writers get easily bored and smartphones are a mature product now with not a lot of radical change.OK, I'm going to say it: I get that all the focus and resources for the past two years has been on the iPhone X, but people are not fools. iPhone 8 is not an attractive by whichever way you slice it. It is definitely an expensive product, Apple could have appealed to many mire people if it started in the $500+ range, as shown by the revived iPhone 5 a.k.a. iPhone SE.
And if they didn't want to lower the price they could have put in a little effort not to illuminate but perhaps to reduce the bezel around the screen, even a few mms especially above and below the screen.
It is ridiculous that the iPhone 8 bezel proportions are almost identical to the original iPhone from 10 years earlier
I love Saf, he's my go-to guy for the video comparisons but something is seriously wonky with his iPhone or something. Unless they've badly taken a step back in color. Whoa. That isn't anything like my 7 Plus.
It amazes me that people who spend their time on an Apple forum can’t put 2 and 2 together.
No one should have expected sales of the 8/8+ to be huge or comparable to previous launches. And no one should expect sales of the X to be huge or comparable to previous launches. But put them together and you’ll have a greatly successful and record breaking “launch cycle”.
When Apple comes out with earnings and has another record breaking quarter, what will be the cause of it? Record sales of iPhones, once again.
The iPhone 8 or X might not appeal to YOU, but that doesn’t mean it’s a failed device. People on here are claiming they are readily available at stores seem to still be buying one, so it’s not like people don’t want it. Wait until the X comes out for the second half of this story before deciding how the story ends.
No one should have expected sales of the 8/8+ to be huge or comparable to previous launches. And no one should expect sales of the X to be huge or comparable to previous launches. But put them together and you’ll have a greatly successful and record breaking “launch cycle”.
When Apple comes out with earnings and has another record breaking quarter, what will be the cause of it? Record sales of iPhones, once again.
The iPhone 8 or X might not appeal to YOU, but that doesn’t mean it’s a failed device. People on here are claiming they are readily available at stores seem to still be buying one, so it’s not like people don’t want it. Wait until the X comes out for the second half of this story before deciding how the story ends.
Huh i would think a design change is the main reason average customers upgrade. I doubt they care about „oled“ or „ram“
Iphone 8, Underwhelming & Overpriced.
Like the NFL, the iPhone is out-pricing its base.
Like the NFL, the iPhone is out-pricing its base.
Call me a skeptic, but I just don't believe the demand will be there for a $1500 (CAD) iPhone. I really think Apple missed the mark on pricing, among other things. Time will tell, I suppose.
Perhaps if they were released at the same time we would think different.
The fact they didn't sell out as in previous releases made some incorrectly assume it wasn't a sales success. They forget that with the 8 and the X, they're now spreading the buyers across 3 devices instead of 2. They also miss the fact that the vast majority of buyers do not buy in the initial release weeks but usually further into the fall when their contracts are up and they're up for renewal. Christmas also drives a very large portion of total sales.
I hope so, so I can get mine. I have a feeling though that the demand for X is going to be huge and getting one is going to be very hard.
I work on a mid 2011 iMac and a mid 2012 Macbook Air, I may buy a retina MBP next year so I'm on a 6 years cycle.
Smartphones are different, I have a 6s and may wait another year before upgrading so I'd be on a 3 years cycle, but iOS is evolving more than macOS, a 5 years old iPhone (5 and 5c) doesn't get the latest iOS version, has a different design, is way less powerful than this year's models. I don't know for how long iOS and iPhones will evolve dramatically every year, but I think upgrade cycles will be shorter, thanks to the carriers plans, to the fact that a smartphone is the device you always have with you (so you eager for a new design, you can lose it or damage it by dropping etc.) and to OS support.
In the end they'll continue to sell more iPhones than Mac, but they can't continue to sell tens of millions of iPhones every quarter forever. I'm not saying Apple is doomed etc. but smartphones sales will slow down eventually, since people will tend to move to 3 or 4 years upgrade cycles instead of 1-2
We're simply used to the magic is all. It isn't easy to create "wowing" new product categories every year, nor is it realistic even expect such a thing. The next BIG thing will be AR goggles that everyone can wear. Microsoft's Halo Lens and (though it hurts to say it) Google Glass have given us a taste of the possibilities, but they aren't ready for consumers. Apple has a knack for coming late to a tech field and redefining it. They've been laying the groundwork with AR-kit and the Bionic Chip. Look for their AR product to arrive in about 4 years is my guess.
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All very good points. The thing is, we'd be naïve to think that Apple hasn't considered this.
People forget that tech media, commenters on places like MacRumors, and tech journalists themselves fit more into an enthusiast level role, more than the general pubic. Our group is the type that is likely going to be seen lining up for new devices, the most vocal on social media, and the people most likely to post up video reviews on places such as YouTube.
You won’t see much activity from our group on the 8, especially when Apple’s true latest and greatest (??) iPhone is looming on the horizon. Quite honestly, this round reminds me much of the iPhone 5C release. Neat device, had a great story behind it, but, it wasn’t the 5S.
My post isn’t intended to disrespect anyone that likes the 8, I think it is a great device. Just not different enough from my 7 for me to upgrade. I had reservations about replacing my 6S last year, and I still question that decision today (holding my 7). Since these phones are reaching the price of a decent Laptop, I am forcing myself into an update cycle that takes a year or two off of buying a new phone, for the first time since I purchased my iPhone 5.
You won’t see much activity from our group on the 8, especially when Apple’s true latest and greatest (??) iPhone is looming on the horizon. Quite honestly, this round reminds me much of the iPhone 5C release. Neat device, had a great story behind it, but, it wasn’t the 5S.
My post isn’t intended to disrespect anyone that likes the 8, I think it is a great device. Just not different enough from my 7 for me to upgrade. I had reservations about replacing my 6S last year, and I still question that decision today (holding my 7). Since these phones are reaching the price of a decent Laptop, I am forcing myself into an update cycle that takes a year or two off of buying a new phone, for the first time since I purchased my iPhone 5.