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Federighi said it best during the keynote when he said, "You can't believe how much time we spent designing a trash can [icon for Yosemite]." Pretty much sums up the whole mess for me.

Yeah some things just shouldn't be said at a streaming media event, even if they are in jest or said lightheartedly.
 
Whether Steve Jobs would or wouldn't have allowed it is 100% irrelevant; he's passed on and can't come back. More relevant questions include:

1) Has Tim Cook taken measures remedy the problem

and

2) why hasn't he been effective getting Maps up to speed since the botched Maps launch?

In the past couple of years there have been plenty of stories about political infighting and power grabs. This is one more, but also accompanied by programmers quitting.

Programmers being rapidly switched from one project to another, as needed, is not new at Apple, so these discontented programmers have to have some other reason. Jobs was, from stories, and his own admission, a brutal boss at times yet programmers stayed on. So it has to be something other than not being coddled.

We don't know if it's programmers quitting or not. The TechCrunch story has two anonymous sources that dispute each other:

Why didn’t they appear? One tipster says it was a personnel issue: “Many developers left the company, no map improvements planned for iOS 8 release were finished in time. Mostly it was failure of project managers and engineering project managers, tasks were very badly planned, developers had to switch multiple times from project to project.”

It’s a take that is both contested and corroborated by our other source. “I would say that planning, project management and internal politics issues were a much more significant contributor to the failure to complete projects than developers leaving the group,” the source said.


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Yeah some things just shouldn't be said at a streaming media event, even if they are in jest or said lightheartedly.

Hmm...sounds like something Steve would do. :D
 
Flawlessly? It's an abomination. It takes forever to lock on and recalculate and it's never clear when to take a turn. It also lags behind considerably.

It might be different on the 5s but my exerience with Maps as turn by turn satnav is horrible. I prefer my Garmin with lane assists. It also actually zooms in when you're about to take a turn and it doesn't lag behind.
All navigation systems have a little bit of lag. I also tried the Google Maps app, has the same issue (iPhone 5).

To me, it's very clear. Much clearer than other services I've used.
 
Strategically, I can't help feeling that Apple should get closer to Microsoft - yes Microsoft - and pool its resources with both Maps and Search. This might be the only way to defeat the increasingly evil behemoth that is Google.

That's exactly what it is doing.
 
Just kill it.

They bought HopStop. How dang hard can it be to add transit directions? Seriously, I'll do it for them in a week.
 
My guess is we will see a maps update at the iPhone event when they show off more iOS 8 features.
 
...Apple cannot/should not depend on Google for Maps, Google might pull the maps app nay day as iOS is in competition with Android. Just my 2 cents.

If they admitted their mistake (doubtful) and signed a contract and had a license made like they did before to use Google Maps as the default Maps App, then Google more than likely can't do that. Pretty much what was done from the start.
 
Sometimes I read these threads just to laugh at all the whining and seeing things blown out of proportion. Makes for a fun morning. :)

In reality, though, Apple Maps isn't going anywhere and will slowly improve. It doesn't have to be the best, only good enough. And for a lot of people it's good enough.
 
Just kill it.

They bought HopStop. How dang hard can it be to add transit directions? Seriously, I'll do it for them in a week.

Many Lolz.

How does management at apple work, programmers become managers or just pure managers put in charge of software projexts?

I can imagine there would be high levels of stress with tight dead lines. Probably pays jack all as well. But you would be working in that new UFO building. That would be cool for 5 minutes.

Alback on topic, does not matter what your job is. You got a **** boss or need to deal with ****** people on a daily basis, you're gonna be leaving.
 
It's interesting that they wouldn't have more dedicated staff. For all their CEO salaries, maybe chuck a few million back into developing so a programmer has more time in the chair to work on one thing?
 
Here in the UK, I haven't had a problem using Maps.

What intrigues me more is why Photos for OS X won't be ready until 2015. Surly it's a fairly simple app? Especially as it exists on iOS?
 
We don't know if it's programmers quitting or not. The TechCrunch story has two anonymous sources that dispute each other:

Regardless, mass defections, is just one symptom of a disease in the Maps hierarchy. The TC article points to many others. Whether there are or are not mass defections the fact remains Apple still hasn't been able to integrate Hopstop, et al. into Maps and Maps remains a feature poor competitor to Google Maps of even two years ago. Frankly suffering a mass defection would be a better excuse for Apple and Maps than if there was not one.

So the relevant questions I posed as to what Cook has done to treat the ailment, and why the treatment is, to date, ineffective, are still unanswered.
 
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Apple needs to rethink their OS strategy. Releasing major updates to their core products every year is not working well for QC. Programming is one of the most stressful jobs in todays market, pushing more programmers to a tighter schedule when management cannot even work on the same page is disastrous. Even before the annual cycle, OS X releases still had bugs but they weren't as inconsistent and widespread. These stories, from iTunes Radio to Maps to employees slamming office doors so hard they can't get out, add further credence. Place OS X back on a ~2 year release cycle, focus on quality, enough with this non-sense.
 
I use Google Maps

Because there's no Apple Maps on iOS6.

edit: oh wait, there IS! I guess I don't need maps often enough, I never noticed I had it. :p
 
Quit trying to make Apple maps happen. It's not going to happen.

Just allow us to open Google Maps as our default map/nav app when we click on an address/navigate.

Also, bring back push Google email. I don't know whose fault it was, but these guys need to make it happen.

That's on Microsoft blocking ActiveSync. Using MS Exchange costs money...
 
The bashing is fully deserved because Apple Maps is a piece of crap. It might work quite well in the US but in the UK it's still a crap. It should be noted that it's improved over the last 12 months, which is now why I call it a piece of crap rather than a fresh stinking turd.

For over 6 months, Apple Maps though my home town was over 320 miles from where it actually is and I live in one of the largest towns in the country! Apple Maps is inexcusably bad. Apple are easily 5-10 years behind Google with their development. Google keeps pulling further and further ahead with each new release which makes Apple Maps completely redundant on my devices.
You should have a look at the joke that Apple Maps is in Japan. I don't understand how Apple hasn't done anything to improve their maps in the country where they have their highest market share (iOS has about 37 percent of the Japanese market).
 
Nope. Google's SDK is also free. Developers choose Apple's SDK because it's easier, but also because it's better. It has much better performance, far fewer bugs, has more features for customization, etc...

Apologies, you're right, Google are still waiving the charges for the mobile APIs, just not the desktop one.
 
Wait... people still use Apple Maps?


Never had a problem with Apple Maps and I am a traveling sales guy. Never fully understood all of the Maps hoopla is all about.

Apple Turn-by-Turn directions work flawlessly and the interface is easy to understand and view.

Sure would love to have transit directions when traveling to metro areas. I use Google Maps for just this purpose and look forward to those additions to the IOS software.
 
No they don't. And anyway, Apple already uses Bing technology in iOS.

You are right sorry. It WAS originally part of the deal but Nokia pushed back...

But it's actually the backend of Bing maps anyway.

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Google Maps has been vector based since December 2012 on iOS and since January 2011 on iOS

No it's actually vector based with image rendering. You only have to look at the way it blocks when you zoom in. It renders image tiles on the fly.

Apple maps is purely vector. - well apt from the sat views of course.
 
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