Laptops free of Windows bloatware?

[0989383]

I don't get any ads whatsoever... I did spend like 15 seconds though and disable the suggestions...

Yeah.. that totally makes it okay like......

Definitely.. shouldn't be considered as a TERRIBLE thing for the end user.. or anything like that.

Of course, you see it as acceptable for a user to spend the first hour of their new PC disabling a tonne of stuff before actually having a good experience. And you still let on that it's better or equal to a Mac?

Have you ever used a Mac?
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Didn't MS say Win 10 is the last version and form here on out it would just be free updates? Looks like MS is taking a similar approach..

It's not free when monetised ads are placed throughout the system, in the users face and they are being bombarded with 3rd party apps .. shortcuts .. sponsored content.. Particularly when it gets in the way of their work.

 

[raqball]

OEMs and Microsoft have differing agendas. An OEM keeps the price low by bundling bloat as vendors pay for the bloat to be installed. I think others have nailed it, install a fresh copy of the full Win10 onto your computer to be majorly free of the bloat. You could also try Linux if you want a rich experience of how computing should be.

I am a LONG time Linux user and actually dual boot into it most of the time.. Linux comes with it's fair share of junk, bloat and crap as well depending on which Distro one chooses..

 

[dogslobber]

I don't get any ads whatsoever... I did spend like 15 seconds though and disable the suggestions...

It sounds like you're in agreement. Mac OS is very lean and Windows machines from Microsoft comes a close second. Avoid OEM cheap Windows laptops if you don't want bloat, or install Linux/Win10 retail.

 

[Queen6]

Uhm... built into the price of every Mac: Unlimited, free access to macOS forever.

Built into Windows PCs.. A license for THIS Windows 10. When Windows 11 or 12 or whatever the hell they call it comes out it'll likely be a £119 upgrade like Windows 10 is to Windows 7 users.

Yes and you pay for that upfront, one of the factors of the higher price point of a Mac. Same as if you buy a more premium or business system with Windows 10 Pro.

Q-6

 

[dogslobber]

Linux comes with it's fair share of junk, bloat and crap as well depending on which Distro one chooses..

Which distros are those?

 

[raqball]

Avoid OEM cheap Windows laptops if you don't want bloat, or install Linux/Win10 retail.

Agree! The cheap Windows laptops are loaded to the hilt...

 

[0989383]

Agree! The cheap Windows laptops are loaded to the hilt...

Though ALL Windows as most users experience is are filled with a reasonably large amount of crap..

 

[raqball]

Which distros are those?

Any of the Ubuntu variations. openSuse, Fedora... Their consumer versions ALL have what I consider junk, bloat and / or crapware...

 

[Queen6]

Didn't MS say Win 10 is the last version and form here on out it would just be free updates? Looks like MS is taking a similar approach..

My personal opinion is MS will look to monitorize the low end OS add' sponsored SW etc. and the higher versions will be captured in the price of the hardware to allow cheap PC's to remain viable.

Q-6

 

[0989383]

My personal opinion is MS will look to monitorize the low end OS add' sponsored SW etc. and the higher versions will be captured in the price of the hardware to allow cheap PC's to remain viable.

Q-6

Fragmentation. Great, another reason why macOS will continue to be a superior user experience.

 

[raqball]

My personal opinion is MS will look to monitorize the low end OS add' sponsored SW etc. and the higher versions will be captured in the price of the hardware to allow cheap PC's to remain viable.

Q-6

That would make the most sense for them.. Apple does not sell cheap machines so it's easier for them to just bake the cost of macOS into the pricing of all their offerings..

 

[0989383]

That would make the most sense for them.. Apple does not sell cheap machines so it's easier for them to just bake the cost of macOS into the pricing of all their offerings..

M$ have always put money before user satisfaction. It's why the Mac continues to soar in ratings vs. The experience we refer to as Windows 10. Which you have actually admitted depends on your degree to bash into shape suitable to a smooth experience..

 

[dogslobber]

That would make the most sense for them.. Apple does not sell cheap machines so it's easier for them to just bake the cost of macOS into the pricing of all their offerings..

Mac OS updates are generally financed from iOS updates as the code base is the same. In other words, the cost of the Mac OS development footprint is tiny compared to Windows so the cost of the OS to a Mac user is not much at all.

 

[raqball]

Mac OS updates are generally financed from iOS updates as the code base is the same.

Source?

 

[0989383]

Source?

Good point, should probably first go back and answer his question regarding which Distro's you believe are shipped with 'bloatware'..

And perhaps backing up all the things you said to me...

 

[Queen6]

That would make the most sense for them.. Apple does not sell cheap machines so it's easier for them to just bake the cost of macOS into the pricing of all their offerings..

I would imagine so, it makes sense as Apple in the business of making money and software development is not cheap by any means. dogslobber my very well have a good point regarding IOS, not my realm, equally makes sense.

Q-6

 

[dogslobber]

Apple Software Engineering.

 

[raqball]

I would imagine so, it makes sense as Apple in the business of making money and software development is not cheap by any means. dogslobber my very well have a good point regarding IOS, not my realm, equally makes sense.

Q-6

The reason I ask for a source is because we always hear in the mac forum claims that Apple has significant R&D into the machines and the OS...

Just want to read a credible source that proves they don't..

 

[0989383]

@Queen6
I feel a little less sympathy for you now, at least it's somewhat worth your while!

 

[dogslobber]

The reason I ask for a source is because we always hear in the mac forum claims that Apple has significant R&D into the machines and the OS...

Just want to read a credible source that proves they don't..

Not everything is a source on the internet. That's why I quote to you "Apple Software Engineering".

 

[0989383]

Not everything is a source on the internet. That's why I quote to you "Apple Software Engineering".

They'll ignore every good point you make.. I've been witnessing this across multiple threads in the Alternatives to Mac section this past week.

 

[raqball]

Not everything is a source on the internet. That's why I quote to you "Apple Software Engineering".

Interesting... In other words their is none?

I agree that some is overlap but Apple does have significant resources they put into macOS...

 

[dogslobber]

You can run Win10 on a core 2 duo system with 2GB of memory and a spinner. Mac OS Sierra simply struggles on such a system. Mac OS is definitely better designed and superior but Win10 is less bloated in the core libraries of the OS, IMO. I applaud Microsoft for what they did with Win10 system requirements. Apple really could learn from it.
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Interesting... In other words their is none?

I agree that some is overlap but Apple does have significant resources they put into macOS...

I've provided you with a position and source for how the OS at Apple is developed. It's up to you if you want to continue with your heresy.

 

[raqball]

I've provided you with a position and source for how the OS at Apple is developed. It's up to you if you want to continue with your heresy.

You've provided nothing that proves your point or disproves mine.. Are you claiming that Apple does not spend significant resources on macOS?

 

[0989383]

You can run Win10 on a core 2 duo system with 2GB of memory and a spinner. Mac OS Sierra simply struggles on such a system. Mac OS is definitely better designed and superior but Win10 is less bloated in the core libraries of the OS, IMO. I applaud Microsoft for what they did with Win10 system requirements. Apple really could learn from it.
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I've provided you with a position and source for how the OS at Apple is developed. It's up to you if you want to continue with your heresy.

Windows 10 is great in that it's there for when a Mac isn't. It has some applications and uses the Mac doesn't.

But for Mac users, other than work.. a second computer as a hobby or backup.. I strongly recommend not moving back, at all bearable costs.

As we know, the Mac is superior and better designed. Why give it up?!

These guys are ignoring it's obvious flaws to the user forgetting that their experience is one of the number one aspects of a consumer product and how it works..