I'm not saying I'd give up Mac OS, far from it. I'm merely saying that my excursions with Win10 are very novel and impressive. I still wouldn't type my back account password into a Windows OS. No chance.
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I'm not saying I'd give up Mac OS, far from it. I'm merely saying that my excursions with Win10 are very novel and impressive. I still wouldn't type my back account password into a Windows OS. No chance.
Same here. You know, Windows is fine at work or uni.. but having to use it at home. No thanks..
It'd be like throwing out your Nike trainers for Walmart trainers.. sure it's the same..ticks boxes...does job.. But is it really the same? Is it fair to call them equal?
No way. There's a good reason for both to exist. But I won't stand for trolls coming on here misguiding people that they're equal and that it's a great idea to give up this great experience for a poor one.
I learnt that myself, and my personal experience backs up my points. Nothing I've said about Windows is untrue..
As for their claims the mac is unstable and full of bloat ware.. well.. we know that's untrue.
I can't believe you guys and gals are still going at each other about this.
People come to the alternatives sections to talk about anything other then OSX and Apple hardware it's why the place exists so naturally they're going to like "other" as much or better. We have two alternatives sections one for iOS and one for the Mac the iOS section is no longer tedious since the people trying to sell iOS don't click anymore, let's make this section less tedious.
We can talk about the various OS's here without comparing and contrasting them to each other since in the end it really doesn't matter if I buy a Lenovo/Dell/HP etc. I'm not all that interested in OSX and if I buy a Mac I'm not all that interested in "other" all that much. If you'd like to ruin "other" on your Mac there is a section for that, and if you want to run OSX on your PC there's a long running thread I started for that.
On the topic of the last few pages most mainstream Linux distro's, OSX, and Windows do ship with what I consider bloatware, but if you're not running LFS, Gentoo, or freeBSD with your own kernel you just don't care that much and it's not worthy of being argued over.
As a poster here I appreciate that MR gives me a place to talk about my Android phone, flashing ROM's, my PC, and Linux so I don't meander into the iOS section nor the OSX section unless I have a specific question about those. If you don't want to talk about "other" in the alternatives section and just want to bag on them how about doing it in one of the main sections and make alternatives nice again.
People come to the alternatives sections to talk about anything other then OSX and Apple hardware it's why the place exists so naturally they're going to like "other" as much or better. We have two alternatives sections one for iOS and one for the Mac the iOS section is no longer tedious since the people trying to sell iOS don't click anymore, let's make this section less tedious.
We can talk about the various OS's here without comparing and contrasting them to each other since in the end it really doesn't matter if I buy a Lenovo/Dell/HP etc. I'm not all that interested in OSX and if I buy a Mac I'm not all that interested in "other" all that much. If you'd like to ruin "other" on your Mac there is a section for that, and if you want to run OSX on your PC there's a long running thread I started for that.
On the topic of the last few pages most mainstream Linux distro's, OSX, and Windows do ship with what I consider bloatware, but if you're not running LFS, Gentoo, or freeBSD with your own kernel you just don't care that much and it's not worthy of being argued over.
As a poster here I appreciate that MR gives me a place to talk about my Android phone, flashing ROM's, my PC, and Linux so I don't meander into the iOS section nor the OSX section unless I have a specific question about those. If you don't want to talk about "other" in the alternatives section and just want to bag on them how about doing it in one of the main sections and make alternatives nice again.
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I agree, it's nice to have a place to discuss the other options that are out there. Unfortunately all it takes is one person to derail these areas because they had a bad experience or because their inexperience with the different OS caused self-created problems... Add in an unwillingness to learn or accept help and threads get derailed and they tumble into name calling, attacks and put downs..
I agree and everyone has their own view on what is bloat, junk, crap.. I feel the same as you in that they all come with it. In most instances it is minimal and is easily removed if the person knows how or if they want and ask for help in doing so.
macOS has it, most of the Linux distros have it and Windows has it..
The one exception would be the non signature PC versions of Windows. Yes those cheap machines do come with quite a bit more but it's all removable and might only take a few extra minutes to rid the system of it all..
It's hard to read past wildly inaccurate information.. Claims were made that Apple does not have a lot of resources (financial, time, effort) into macOS and someone even made a statement that they would not feel safe putting their banking password into a Windows machine.. I am still waiting on a response re the claim that: Apple spends little to nothing on macOS development and the banking password statement was nothing more than over the top sensationalism..
I've said it many times before here on the forums that I prefer macOS.. If Apple ever decides to sell a license for it, I'd buy it without a second thought and slap it on a PC in a heartbeat..
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I'd class it more as providing information to people. What they do with it is generally beyond your control but you have to give that opportunity before you move on. Don't look back, only forwards.
Here's the thing, if I went into the iOS sections of the forums and listed all the things I don't like iOS then went on to say it sucks I'd deservedly get run out and called a troll. The same things would happen if I went into any mac section and did that, why is it OK to do it here? The mods took care of the biggest offenders in the alternatives to iOS section I'm trying to nicely stop it here before it requires intervention from the mods
I guess I am really trying to understand why someone would ask MR for questions on linux, android, windows, etc. I don't go to the alternatives forum on surfaceforum.com and ask them about the latest iphone. I am just trying to understand. I find it fascinating.
Simple answer your getting feedback from another Mac user be it positive or negative, so their perspective is different and potentially able to answer comparative questions with a more informed mind.
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Some are long time Mac users who've decided to move on and maybe they feel comfortable here on the forum? Some maybe have other Apple products so they use this as a one stop shop? Some might want opinions of macOS and MacBook users when comparing machines and OS's?
Why does it matter? Nobody is forced to read this area of the forum so if it bothers them, they can just ignore it..
You don't frame it as "it sucks", you frame it in the context of the actual issues that and then back it up. I think you're doing a disservice to people if you auto-assume they'll cry 'troll' at the first hint of disagreement. We're more adult than that on here.
Because I don't use a Mac at home doesn't mean I don't use Mac's. I spend 8 hours a day in front of a Mac Pro, my wife is still all Apple all the time (Mac, iPad Pro, and iPhone), my kid is mixed Mac desktop, Linux notebook, and Android phone. Most adults have some sort of Apple in their orbit.
I have had macs for decades and never used anything from the iWorks suite. So to me it is bloatware. Same with Photos, iTunes.
I'm the same.. Just goes to show that one person junk is another's treasure... Some think that the pre-installed Windows 10 stuff is junk but I find a lot of it to be very useful.
As far as the macOS programs you mentioned, I agree they are garbage along with several others.. On the bright side though, it's all easily removable on either OS..
I finally made up my mind when I found a 2016 macbook pro on sale and got myself a 2.9ghz with 1TB drive.
Because I'm lazy and don't want to register on other forums. Plus I assume that there are people on these boards who not only use Mac OS!
I just realized I'm suddenly sitting on all the Apple stuff again... somehow an iPhone, iPad and a Macbook Pro just snuck up on me over the summer, when I promised myself I would never buy another Apple product ever again. I feel dirty somehow...
I just realized I'm suddenly sitting on all the Apple stuff again... somehow an iPhone, iPad and a Macbook Pro just snuck up on me over the summer, when I promised myself I would never buy another Apple product ever again. I feel dirty somehow...
YOU LOVE IT, AND YOU KNOW IT! (I’m right there with ya...somehow I have an iPad Pro, iPhone, and Macbook Pro. The only thing left is my Win10 Gaming Desktop LOL...
I've been using Windows 10 and good grief this things IS full of bloat with worthless Apps. I have a menu full of them and I shake my head when I see this lot. There's more than a dozen of them so I think it's safe to say that Windows 10 wins the OS bloat wars as Mac OS is sleek and functional next to it.
Just wanted to end this thread on a positive note.
Just wanted to end this thread on a positive note.
And if you actually install W10 none of that is there..
Again if you want to talk about bloatware please install LFS then come back
I installed Win10 Pro from the ISO and can assure you there's more bloatware than you have time to run.
What is "LFS"?
I assure you that what you perceive as bloatware exists on OSX as well but you don't see it because of preference...
LFS = Linux From Scratch
I know the original intent of the thread passed, but couldn't let this one go when reading through the whole thread again. So if someone disagrees with you, then they are misguided and a troll?
I have long used a Mac and Windows. Most recently after getting tired of the stale progress of Apple (now a smartphone company plus accessories) with their computers, I've migrated to a Windows 10 machine for both work and home. Most objective people will agree that Windows 10 and MacOS are comparably capable operating systems and ecosystems that can support a wide range of computing. I have a 27" 4K display on one side of my desk tied to a Surface Pro, and a 27" 4K display on the other side of my desk tied to a Mac. I rarely ever turn on the Mac any more... in fact the only thing I use it for currently is to backup my wife's iPad and iPhone because she is a picture addict and can't delete anything.
Since Apple doesn't allow OEMs to make MacOS devices, the "bloatware" is totally controlled by Apple. I'll just say one thing about bloatware and Apple... GarageBand. Seriously? If you buy a Microsoft Surface device, or a premium business device from an OEM, then the bloatware situation is roughly equal on the two. There were a few apps installed on the Surface Pro that I easily removed, and a couple of other installer links that I did the same with. I think we can agree that GarageBand and Candy Crush are roughly equivalent. So Microsoft and Apple to me are equal on bloatware... the OEMs of cheaper low end devices is a different story. You can't really blame that on Microsoft... you get what you pay for.
But back to the point of this post... I stand behind my statement that the two OS platforms are roughly equal in ability, and you end up choosing a camp for other reasons. For me, it was the integration of pen, touch, and pointing device into a a full function device, and desire to only carry one device for work and play. Apple doesn't support that model for my use cases. Before you start to argue with me about it, I saw that you are all in on iOS. That's great for you, but I could not do my job on iOS, nor would I want to... and the same goes for my home/play where I want access to a big display for Lightroom. I can do everything I do on a Surface Pro and have been for months. I would not currently have any desire to go back to MacOS, which has grown really stale and I don't see Apple changing that... they update it to be compatible with the iPhone features. If and when that changes, I might reconsider a Mac, but at this point that platform is out for me.
A bit of bloatware on my new Acer Swift 3, purchased from Amazon. I deleted some of it. As I am new to Windows 10, I do not dare delete things that will screw up the system. Several games, trials and Acer bloatware as well.
Otherwise, it's a solid 15.6" laptop fresh off the assembly line apparently (8th gen intel. Alas, I snoozed on the higher end model with the dGPU at Amazon), but this base model is very responsive (trackpad and keyboard, launching apps, browser etc.) Can't complain, except that I wish I would have purchased a mouse and laptop stand at the same time.
Otherwise, it's a solid 15.6" laptop fresh off the assembly line apparently (8th gen intel. Alas, I snoozed on the higher end model with the dGPU at Amazon), but this base model is very responsive (trackpad and keyboard, launching apps, browser etc.) Can't complain, except that I wish I would have purchased a mouse and laptop stand at the same time.
I checked specs and soldered memory in PC laptop ? wow, thats's something new? or they follow blindly behind Microsoft or Apple ?
soldered DDR4 not impressive