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Last Minute Thoughts on iCloud, iOS 5 as Keynote Line Begins
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It's tough to bribe a company with 60bn of cash...
macman312 said:Hopefully they'll be "one more thing"!
This is not to say that I will not watch every second of the keynote as it unfolds
Agreed I hope it will be
1) a brand new iphone- don't even care if it isn't released till september as long as it is announced
2) support for flash- I am thinking of starting a trust fund for apple to start supporting flash and send apple the money then maybe
It's tough to bribe a company with 60bn of cash...
You guys are so mean!
Let's wait for the keynote, it isn't far away.
But it's so much fun to bash things before you even know what they are!
Suppose the moaning is all down to what expectations you set. Some people demand the earth yet are unwilling to contribute anything to it.
If your mindset is to be in babylike "I want, I want, I want, I want" then there is more chance of ending up with nothing that will ever satisfy.
It's amazing how some seem to be so critical and threatening againt the company that totally changed everything in the last 5 years.
Looking forward most to iOS 5... It should be like getting a new iPad and iPhone.
Always funny, they complain about Apple products, threaten to leave for DELL, Galaxy etc. , but most likely never do or come back (can't admit it though
.We are positively sure that there is no live feed at this time.
Makes you think they'd use the new iCloud to stream the presentation to us so we can all check out the performance????
Always funny, they complain about Apple products, threaten to leave for DELL, Galaxy etc. , but most likely never do or come back (can't admit it though
I'm guessing 90% of the people who make those claims don't even have an iPhone or iPad and just like to stir the pot. Why would someone with an iPad 2 or an iPhone 4 really consider making that change.... if they got to have the features they are complaining about, they can jailbreak and get them. Makes no sense.
That was scary. Also, I'm more excited about the last Harry Potter movie than about anything Apple is going to do
"Last Minute Thoughts on iCloud"...
We MR folk are a sad lot
Hate the name... can't wait to see what the service actually is going to be.
I think it's rather funny that Apple is jumping on the whole Cloud marketing bandwagon. Seems sheepish and uninnovative to me, especially considering the "Cloud" thing is not even a new concept, only a new marketing buzzword for a concept that has existed for decades.
Yeah, that thought crossed my mind too. Maybe a surprise live stream right at the last minute? Not likely, but I can hope.
Cheers.
Yeah, agreed. I'm hoping that whatever they do, they tie things together in a way that might be more seamless. Dropbox works sooo much better than iDisk. I hardly ever use my iDisk anymore. I let my family plan mobile me re-new last week just in case. If there are no improvements, it'll be my last time I think.
If my TC could go download my morning copy of the NYTimes and The Daily so that I could stream them over wi-fi when I wake up, that would be huge. It would really enable daily apps a lot better. Now I have to tell papers every morning to wake up and get the stuff, which is fast enough if I remember to do so early enough before I leave the house, but not nearly as fast as pure wi-fi connection would be.
That was scary. Also, I'm more excited about the last Harry Potter movie than about anything Apple is going to do
Eww... as a random passerby, I clicked the link....that is some weird stuff.
ON TO THE KEYNOTE
Like everyone else here, I enjoy trying to guess what the announcements will be. I also enjoy guessing the outline and tricks of the presentation. Nothing necessarily original here. Just want to record my predictions so that when I nail every single one, I am remembered as god-like.
What will be covered today?
50% on iCloud, 25% on iOS 5, and 25% on OSX Lion. These will overlap of course and bleed into each other. The next iPhone won't be mentioned today. Nor will new iPods, new iPads or new Macs.
How will Steve "sell" us on iCloud (and iOS 5 and OSX)?
He will sell us on it by talking about what Amazon and Google have tried - but failed, in his opinion - to deliver in their cloud offerings. He will essentially tell us what we want, expect and need in cloud computing, and explain how Amazon and Google fail to do it despite large ongoing subscription fees (for people with lots of content).
What will Steve say the purpose of "cloud computing" is for the average person?
Access, stream, change, save and protect your data regardless of where you are physically, and regardless of what computing device you are using.
Where - physically - will the cloud be?
A local cloud - Time Capsule - overcomes copyright problems (such as illegally secured music and movies) for Apple. It overcomes uploading problems for users with massive amounts of media. It overcomes frustrating, perpetual subscription fees for cloud services. (Think about how much Apple would charge you for uploading a terabyte of media that you want to be able to stream any time you'd like.) It ends the need to do a wired synch if the local cloud - again, Time Capsule - is able to automatically grab and save for you large downloads, such as operating system updates, until you are ready to have it pushed onto your iOS device. But it means your Time Capsule/Internet must always be on. It means you have to buy hardware. It doesn't get your content off-site, meaning it is more susceptible to loss, such as fire, flooding, drive failure.
If the cloud is hardware in your house - Time Capsule - then what is the purpose of Apple's massive new data center? Perhaps the data center is merely for your off-site backup, such as what Carbonite does; you can upload everything to the data center, but not stream any of it. You'd just have it backed up to there.
What data (documents, photographs, music, movies, TV shows) of yours will be allowed in the cloud?
Everything.
What will be the method for getting your stuff into the cloud?
Automatic backups to your Time Capsule. As long as the device you are computing on has iOS 5 or OSX Lion, and the iCloud "switch" in the 'on' position, as you manipulate it, changes are immediately made to the Time Capsule data.
What will be the method for getting your stuff from the cloud?
Wi-fi and 3G. However, I think you will only be able to access TV shows and movies when you are on wi-fi.
Questions:
Where does this leave MobileMe?
I have no idea. The new cloud renders much of MobileMe unnecessary, such as iDisk, but what about things like your .me or .mac email account, your calendar synching, or your "find my iPhone" features? I have no idea. Maybe the stuff that is not affected by the cloud becomes free.
Where does this leave traditional iTunes?
The iTunes interface allows you to access all kinds of information on your media, and allows you to build playlists ("smart" and regular) based upon a litany of tagging information. It's hard to see this system being changed too dramatically. However, iTunes hasn't been upgraded significantly in years. So, like changes to MobileMe, I really have no idea what changes there will substantively be to iTunes.
Will the keynote have anything "sexy?"
Cloud computing, Time Capsule and an iOS update are cool and all, but hopefully there will be some new sexy gadget of some sort. For example, maybe iOS 5 will work on Apple TV, and allow for apps/gaming on your TV, using your iPhone/iPod Touch as a remote/game controller.
What will be the excitement over iOS 5?
In addition to what is said immediately above, iOS 5 will revamp notifications. iOS 5 apps will work on OSX Lion. iOS 5 devices will be able to seamlessly access OSX Lion devices, like gotomypc.com.
What will be the excitement over Lion?
In addition to what is said immediately above, OSX Lion will allow very easy access to other OSX Lion devices. ("Back to my Mac" will loose its name but be much stronger and more user friendly.) FaceTime/iChat technology will be enhanced and work on both Macs and PCs; it will become more friendly across all platforms and all devices and go after the gotomeeting.com market.
At the end of the day, so to speak, what will Steve Jobs be asking us to buy?
A new Time Capsule. Currently, Time Capsules are $299 for one terabyte and $499 for two terabytes. They want to get an entry price below $200, so either the one-terabyte will drop to $199, or they will introduce a half-terabyte for $199. Every $100 over that doubles in storage. They will also want you to buy Lion, which will be $79. iOS 5 will be free but not go back farther than iPhone 3GS. He will not be asking us to buy into a subscription plan except, perhaps, for an modest annual subscription for simple (only) backup of your stuff to the data center ($20 per 100 gigs of data).
The new time capsules, and iCloud, will be available immediately. IOS 5 will come out in July, and Lion will come out in September.
Who will perform a song at the end of the keynote?
Someone very, very boring.
What will be covered today?
50% on iCloud, 25% on iOS 5, and 25% on OSX Lion. These will overlap of course and bleed into each other. The next iPhone won't be mentioned today. Nor will new iPods, new iPads or new Macs.
How will Steve "sell" us on iCloud (and iOS 5 and OSX)?
He will sell us on it by talking about what Amazon and Google have tried - but failed, in his opinion - to deliver in their cloud offerings. He will essentially tell us what we want, expect and need in cloud computing, and explain how Amazon and Google fail to do it despite large ongoing subscription fees (for people with lots of content).
What will Steve say the purpose of "cloud computing" is for the average person?
Access, stream, change, save and protect your data regardless of where you are physically, and regardless of what computing device you are using.
Where - physically - will the cloud be?
A local cloud - Time Capsule - overcomes copyright problems (such as illegally secured music and movies) for Apple. It overcomes uploading problems for users with massive amounts of media. It overcomes frustrating, perpetual subscription fees for cloud services. (Think about how much Apple would charge you for uploading a terabyte of media that you want to be able to stream any time you'd like.) It ends the need to do a wired synch if the local cloud - again, Time Capsule - is able to automatically grab and save for you large downloads, such as operating system updates, until you are ready to have it pushed onto your iOS device. But it means your Time Capsule/Internet must always be on. It means you have to buy hardware. It doesn't get your content off-site, meaning it is more susceptible to loss, such as fire, flooding, drive failure.
If the cloud is hardware in your house - Time Capsule - then what is the purpose of Apple's massive new data center? Perhaps the data center is merely for your off-site backup, such as what Carbonite does; you can upload everything to the data center, but not stream any of it. You'd just have it backed up to there.
What data (documents, photographs, music, movies, TV shows) of yours will be allowed in the cloud?
Everything.
What will be the method for getting your stuff into the cloud?
Automatic backups to your Time Capsule. As long as the device you are computing on has iOS 5 or OSX Lion, and the iCloud "switch" in the 'on' position, as you manipulate it, changes are immediately made to the Time Capsule data.
What will be the method for getting your stuff from the cloud?
Wi-fi and 3G. However, I think you will only be able to access TV shows and movies when you are on wi-fi.
Questions:
Where does this leave MobileMe?
I have no idea. The new cloud renders much of MobileMe unnecessary, such as iDisk, but what about things like your .me or .mac email account, your calendar synching, or your "find my iPhone" features? I have no idea. Maybe the stuff that is not affected by the cloud becomes free.
Where does this leave traditional iTunes?
The iTunes interface allows you to access all kinds of information on your media, and allows you to build playlists ("smart" and regular) based upon a litany of tagging information. It's hard to see this system being changed too dramatically. However, iTunes hasn't been upgraded significantly in years. So, like changes to MobileMe, I really have no idea what changes there will substantively be to iTunes.
Will the keynote have anything "sexy?"
Cloud computing, Time Capsule and an iOS update are cool and all, but hopefully there will be some new sexy gadget of some sort. For example, maybe iOS 5 will work on Apple TV, and allow for apps/gaming on your TV, using your iPhone/iPod Touch as a remote/game controller.
What will be the excitement over iOS 5?
In addition to what is said immediately above, iOS 5 will revamp notifications. iOS 5 apps will work on OSX Lion. iOS 5 devices will be able to seamlessly access OSX Lion devices, like gotomypc.com.
What will be the excitement over Lion?
In addition to what is said immediately above, OSX Lion will allow very easy access to other OSX Lion devices. ("Back to my Mac" will loose its name but be much stronger and more user friendly.) FaceTime/iChat technology will be enhanced and work on both Macs and PCs; it will become more friendly across all platforms and all devices and go after the gotomeeting.com market.
At the end of the day, so to speak, what will Steve Jobs be asking us to buy?
A new Time Capsule. Currently, Time Capsules are $299 for one terabyte and $499 for two terabytes. They want to get an entry price below $200, so either the one-terabyte will drop to $199, or they will introduce a half-terabyte for $199. Every $100 over that doubles in storage. They will also want you to buy Lion, which will be $79. iOS 5 will be free but not go back farther than iPhone 3GS. He will not be asking us to buy into a subscription plan except, perhaps, for an modest annual subscription for simple (only) backup of your stuff to the data center ($20 per 100 gigs of data).
The new time capsules, and iCloud, will be available immediately. IOS 5 will come out in July, and Lion will come out in September.
Who will perform a song at the end of the keynote?
Someone very, very boring.
Yeah, but its Apple's MO. Take something that exists and cultivate it into a great consumer product/experience. Im sure it will be popular and useful to some...I just cant find any personal value based on all the rumors. Well see soon enough though
Yeah, but its Apple's MO. Take something that exists and cultivate it into a great consumer product/experience. Im sure it will be popular and useful to some...I just cant find any personal value based on all the rumors. Well see soon enough though
Same. I have all my music stored on a hard drive (and a backup). The tracks I want/most listen to are on my iphone and/or ipad. I don't want or need access to my entire library or desire to pay for the priv. So it will really depends on what Apple offers, the price point and what benefits there truly are (for me) before I remotely get interested.
Of all the things discussed so far - it's a pass for me. The iCloud service that is. We'll see what other announcements await...
Yeah, but its Apple's MO. Take something that exists and cultivate it into a great consumer product/experience. Im sure it will be popular and useful to some...I just cant find any personal value based on all the rumors. Well see soon enough though
Oh, nevermind the service, I'm just talking about the name. Usually, Apple will at least steer clear of marketing trends and "hip" buzzwords and create their own. In this case, they went with whatever everyone else was renaming their online strategies to: Cloud, which is just another name for thinclient computing.
Of course, Apple OnLine probably didn't work either seeing how you couldn't really call it AOL for short.
Personally, I like my "thin client" computing to be done locally, so I don't really care for the service itself.
Like I said before, you use the term "dumb down", while I'll use the word "simplify." Negative/positive spin.
Your constant negative tone is just way overblown. Try mentioning your opinion to Apple's shareholders on Apple's next fiscal conference.
I prefer "make it accessible to the intended audience". Many software developers fall into the trap thinking because they spent two weeks implementing a feature and know exactly how to use it, some random end user who is not actually that interested in their software at all would be able to figure it out as well. It doesn't work that way.
Now what you call it, "dumb down" or "simplify" or "make it accessible" doesn't make one difference; the effect is that it makes the majority of users happier and therefore improves sales, especially long term.