Latest Renders of 2019 iPhone Show Camera Bump Integrated Into Rear Glass

[NickName99]

The camera bump disappears when you put the iPhone in a case. With the Apple leather/silicone cases, which are incredibly thin and light, the camera is safely inset about 1mm. It looks perfect. It would probably look worse in the case if the camera was flush with the phone back.
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I really do hate the notch that no one else cares about (I chose the 8 when I could have had the X].

Your post troubles me because now I realize I’m a nobody living in a fantasy...

I initially bought the iPhone 8 Plus for the same reason, I hated the notch! One year later, I sold my iPhone 8 Plus 64GB on eBay, bought a secondhand iPhone X 256GB for a net cost of about $200. It felt like a huge upgrade, like a totally futuristic new thing, I was hooked. The swipe/gesture UI instead of the home button feels really great, it’s so fluid, fast, and natural. The OLED screen spoils you right away. FaceID makes authentication totally transparent. The notch is a little goofy but I don’t mind it. It’s like 4 steps forward and 1 step back.

 

[dannys1]

This is inaccurate.

With nothing else changing other than making the body of the iPhone flush with the camera bump on the XS, this would be the %:

15.8% thicker than a XS - 1.22mm thicker, about thickness of a DVD, or smaller than a grain of medium-graded sand.

7.5% thicker than a XR - .62mm thicker, this is smaller than two grains of salt sitting side by side or thinner than a credit card.

When compared to some of the thicker iPhones to an XS with the body flush with the camera bump:

23.3% thinner than the original iPhone - 2.7mm thinner
26.9% thinner than the iPhone 3Gs - 3.29mm thinner

So, when compared to some real life things, it may not be as thick as some people assume.

Right, I mean I really didn't care about working out the exact 4.2% difference in my estimation it was loose point. I don't want the increased thickness of "15.8%" nor the added weight for really no benefit in battery. End of.

 

[Juicy Box]

I don't want the increased thickness of "15.8%" nor the added weight for really no benefit in battery.

This is understandable.

I can relate to this, as I also really dislike big, heavy phones.

I use the SE, which is perfect for me as a handheld mobile device.

Right, I mean I really didn't care about working out the exact 4.2% difference in my estimation it was loose point.

Sure, 4.2% might not be that much, or maybe it is, depending on the way you look at it. That 4.2% would be about 27% bigger than the actually increase, which sounds significant.

But.... I actually don't really like using percentages, as I don't think people can relate to them well. That is why I included a familiar object that the 15.8% really translate to. This gives proper perspective, imo.

People might read that it is 15.8% thicker, and they might not be able to visualize what that actually is, but if you say the thickness of a DVD, I think that is easier to understand.

To some people, that DVD thickness would be too much on an already big, heavy phone.

But for others, the DVD thickness would be okay, or maybe even welcomed, especially if they could have a flush bottom and/or extra battery.

the added weight

I thought about it, and this would be a very hard thing to estimate. If it was just to have the camera bump flush, I would bet that this would add only a tiny bit more weight, probably not even enough to notice.

If there were other components that were altered due to the extra space, such as the battery, this would have a greater impact on weight, but I still question whether it would be enough to easily notice in one's hand.

 

[felixen]

Geez. Just make the phone a tiny bit thicker and lose the bump. Added bonus: more room for battery!

Amen. This would completely save the design. As in turn it from fugly to gorgeous

 

[MultiMan]

3) Apple’s ok with the bump since it allows them to use higher quality optics. Sure, no doubt they could get rid of the bump by using a less complicated lens arrangement, but again that would be putting form over function, right?

Or, they could start to innovate again, you know, like their competitors are doing. Huawei P30Pro solved the problem by doing a periscope camera to be able to do 5x optical zoom without adding thickness.

That top of the line phone is cheaper than the XR where I live. Despite putting the best and newest technology they have into it, they still manages to beat Apples LCD budget offering price wise, with one camera offering no optical zoom at all. Fancy that.

 

[The Game 161]

Or, they could start to innovate again, you know, like their competitors are doing. Huawei P30Pro solved the problem by doing a periscope camera to be able to do 5x optical zoom without adding thickness.

That top of the line phone is cheaper than the XR where I live. Despite putting the best and newest technology they have into it, they still manages to beat Apples LCD budget offering price wise, with one camera offering no optical zoom at all. Fancy that.

What they are doing is fantastic yes and cheaper but the OS is why people are ok paying for more...

 

[NinjaHERO]

Well, here is an example:

If you keep a phone for 2 years exactly you break even.
If you keep a phone for 3 years you are losing money.
There will be a point where you will most likely realise that the gains you are getting don't warrant the price for it. and you will want to probably break away from that cycle.
Everyone is different I know but at this point, upgrading every year or 2 is actually a waste as the changes are incremental.

I still have iPhone 6 so the value was amazing for me. I briefly got iPhone 8 but returned it as the price vs value wasn't there. Anyway, this year is an update year for me (unless something changes) so I've 'saved' a lot of money compared to your model. Sure, you are more up to date but if the value doesn't match the price tag I see this as a waste.
Only you can truly answer that for yourself but just keep that in mind that eventually it will change as this model is not sustainable.

So, keep that in mind and evaluate properly. The money you save and perhaps put and invest into something that generates yield (in this case just simple AAPL stock) will actually make you more in the long run. Not saying to run and get AAPL right now (even if I think its still good choice) but just consider that angle.

;-)

I don't think any of your math works. But whatever makes you happy. While it may not appear to be a big change in the phone from the outside, technologically there are big jumps on the inside. The chip alone is a significant increase. And the camera always gets better. Maybe not enough for you to justify buying it, but for many of us. Especially those of us who use this as our primary camera.

You have to think of the yearly renewal plan like leasing a car. Is it cheaper than paying off a car and keeping it for 10 years? No. But is it the most efficient way for someone who wants a "new car" every year to get one. Yes.
I only have to pay for half the phone. Half way thru the plan I turn it in for a new one. So it doesn't take two years to pay it off, because it's paid off after the first year when I turn the old phone in.

And as for your other things to do with your money. If you really believed that and didn't want to waste any money, you'd never buy an iphone. You'd take the free flip phone or whatever garbage your provider offers. Then you'd also have a cheaper monthly plan. Then you'd have hundreds of dollars to invest in Apple stock. But you didn't do that. You bought an iphone. And you got a data plan. Because I guess you were manipulated. Consider that angle. ;-)

 

[I7guy]

Or, they could start to innovate again, you know, like their competitors are doing. Huawei P30Pro solved the problem by doing a periscope camera to be able to do 5x optical zoom without adding thickness.

That top of the line phone is cheaper than the XR where I live. Despite putting the best and newest technology they have into it, they still manages to beat Apples LCD budget offering price wise, with one camera offering no optical zoom at all. Fancy that.

How do you know there aren’t other innovations tied to this arrangement? Of course their competitors could start with a neural engine, smart hdr and dynamic video. Those seem like great innovations from last years phone.

 

[Freida]

I don't think any of your math works. But whatever makes you happy. While it may not appear to be a big change in the phone from the outside, technologically there are big jumps on the inside. The chip alone is a significant increase. And the camera always gets better. Maybe not enough for you to justify buying it, but for many of us. Especially those of us who use this as our primary camera.

You have to think of the yearly renewal plan like leasing a car. Is it cheaper than paying off a car and keeping it for 10 years? No. But is it the most efficient way for someone who wants a "new car" every year to get one. Yes.
I only have to pay for half the phone. Half way thru the plan I turn it in for a new one. So it doesn't take two years to pay it off, because it's paid off after the first year when I turn the old phone in.

And as for your other things to do with your money. If you really believed that and didn't want to waste any money, you'd never buy an iphone. You'd take the free flip phone or whatever garbage your provider offers. Then you'd also have a cheaper monthly plan. Then you'd have hundreds of dollars to invest in Apple stock. But you didn't do that. You bought an iphone. And you got a data plan. Because I guess you were manipulated. Consider that angle. ;-)

Actually my math works. If I buy phone upright and then keep it for lets say 4 years then each year costs me 25% of the full price. If I have it for 2 years its 50%. Now, lets say one person keeps it for 4 years and upgrades after and the cost is $1000 (to simplify) so at the start of 5th year the person spent $2000 and is now on the latest phone (and had 2 phones)
The person that upgrades every 2 years spent $3000 at the start of 5th year, is on the latest one (and had 3 phones).
See the math better?


Leasing a car is a waste of money as you never own the car. And if you tell me that people want new car every year or so then that brings another whole topic about the insanity.

I had very good deal in UK as I had 4GB data, 200mins and 200 texts for 5 pounds a month.
So, no - not manipulated there either.

 

[NinjaHERO]

Actually my math works. If I buy phone upright and then keep it for lets say 4 years then each year costs me 25% of the full price. If I have it for 2 years its 50%. Now, lets say one person keeps it for 4 years and upgrades after and the cost is $1000 (to simplify) so at the start of 5th year the person spent $2000 and is now on the latest phone (and had 2 phones)
The person that upgrades every 2 years spent $3000 at the start of 5th year, is on the latest one (and had 3 phones).
See the math better?


Leasing a car is a waste of money as you never own the car. And if you tell me that people want new car every year or so then that brings another whole topic about the insanity.

I had very good deal in UK as I had 4GB data, 200mins and 200 texts for 5 pounds a month.
So, no - not manipulated there either.

You don't need to explain your math. I understood it quite clearly. I think your entire premise is flawed. But again, whatever makes you happy.

You're welcome to your opinion. But it's just your opinion. We all waste money. Each person chooses what they think is worthy of their money and spends it accordingly. I'm sure you waste plenty of money on stuff that wouldn't make sense to me. You choose not to buy the latest phone. That's your right. I understand the technological upgrade each year and I act according.

No one "needs" an iphone. It is not a basic necessity. So all of us have been "manipulated" as you say to buy this item we don't need. We buy it because we want it. And those of us with the disposable income to buy the latest and greatest every year do so. If that's not your cup of tea, all good. Spend your disposable income however you like. For me, I can afford to get the latest iphone every year, it makes me happy, so I'm going to continue to do so.

 

[Bawstun]

Thought you were doing a parody post with the "If Steve were alive" intro, but now I realize you're serious...

Of course I was serious. Design mattered under Steve - he rarely compromised.

 

[Freida]

You don't need to explain your math. I understood it quite clearly. I think your entire premise is flawed. But again, whatever makes you happy.

You're welcome to your opinion. But it's just your opinion. We all waste money. Each person chooses what they think is worthy of their money and spends it accordingly. I'm sure you waste plenty of money on stuff that wouldn't make sense to me. You choose not to buy the latest phone. That's your right. I understand the technological upgrade each year and I act according.

No one "needs" an iphone. It is not a basic necessity. So all of us have been "manipulated" as you say to buy this item we don't need. We buy it because we want it. And those of us with the disposable income to buy the latest and greatest every year do so. If that's not your cup of tea, all good. Spend your disposable income however you like. For me, I can afford to get the latest iphone every year, it makes me happy, so I'm going to continue to do so.

Of course man

 

[alexandr]

Well, the problem with photography is that you can't get around physics, so bigger lenses and sensor are necessary for better image quality (or, in the case of the iPhone, more lenses.) At this point, the camera is just about the only advancement I care about in a new iPhone, so I'm ok with it, if the image quality is a jump in quality. Plus, I use a very thin, black case on all of my phones, anyways, so the camera bulge won't be much of an issue to me.

i've come to terms with the bulge, it's the shape that looks terrible imho.

 

[yeknommonkey]

Why are people so concerned with aesthetics, when almost everyone uses a case??

I’m concerned because they keep designing phones that need a case! I dropped my slippery ass Nokia Lumia due to its beautiful yet shiny case plenty of time, but it never broke. And looked way better than this carbuncle.

 

[PickUrPoison]

Or, they could start to innovate again, you know, like their competitors are doing. Huawei P30Pro solved the problem by doing a periscope camera to be able to do 5x optical zoom without adding thickness.

That top of the line phone is cheaper than the XR where I live. Despite putting the best and newest technology they have into it, they still manages to beat Apples LCD budget offering price wise, with one camera offering no optical zoom at all. Fancy that.

The P30 Pro has a camera bump. It’s also 8.4mm thick compared to the XS at 7.7.

That said, I wouldn’t necessarily be against Apple using the Leica quad camera system like the P30 Pro... maybe Sony just can’t deliver the tech to keep up anymore, though Samsung, Google and Apple all rely on them at the moment.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Not really bothered what the iPhone XI looks like but it would be nice to see a dual camera on the new XR variant like the renders suggest. I think that’s the main focus for Apple as it’s the phone the majority of their customers are likely to buy. The multiple camera high end models are a more niche end I would say.

 

[morty192]

I had very good deal in UK as I had 4GB data, 200mins and 200 texts for 5 pounds a month.
So, no - not manipulated there either.

I need that deal. What network are you on?

 

[Freida]

I need that deal. What network are you on?

EE. Its that 1pound a week thing that you build up overtime. Not sure if you can still get it but maybe if you dig around you might.

 

[dz5b609]

I really do hate the notch that no one else cares about (I chose the 8 when I could have had the X].

Your post troubles me because now I realize I’m a nobody living in a fantasy...

That's because you don't hate the notch, you hate the idea of having a phone with a notch, but as everybody who has a phone with a notch will tell you it's not an issue in real life.

 

[DCIFRTHS]

That's because you don't hate the notch, you hate the idea of having a phone with a notch, but as everybody who has a phone with a notch will tell you it's not an issue in real life.

Thank you for telling me what I prefer. I’m glad you set me straight.

 

[dz5b609]

Thank you for telling me what I prefer. I’m glad you set me straight.

No problem, next time though think a little longer for yourself, because it really isn't so difficult to realize that you can't have a problem with something you don't have, just a problem with the idea of having something you don't have.

And maybe believe everybody who actually have the thing when they say that it's not an issue, we actually know what we're talking about because we have the thing you think you have a problem with.

 

[DCIFRTHS]

No problem, next time though think a little longer for yourself, because it really isn't so difficult to realize that you can't have a problem with something you don't have, just a problem with the idea of having something you don't have.

And maybe believe everybody who actually have the thing when they say that it's not an issue, we actually know what we're talking about because we have the thing you think you have a problem with.

I think it's great that so many people have convinced themselves that the notch doesn't suck even though it is, in reality, a design disaster that was pushed on customers from a boutique brand. I have used an iPhone X for a long enough period to know that the notch and Face ID are not for me. One day, when Touch ID ID no longer in production, I will suck it up, face the notch, and buy a phone with Face ID. Hopefully, by that point, it will have a smaller/non-existent notch.

Next time I'm hoping that you take your own advise, and think a little longer before you tell me what my preferences are. Anything else is just bad manners. I'm sure you learned that somewhere along your journey, but if not, maybe you can believe those who actually know what we're talking about, and not just believe what you are told by the people taking your money.

Preferences are personal choices. Live and let live.

Take care my friend, and thanks for the conversation!

 

[cmaier]

You don't need to explain your math. I understood it quite clearly. I think your entire premise is flawed. But again, whatever makes you happy.

You're welcome to your opinion. But it's just your opinion. We all waste money. Each person chooses what they think is worthy of their money and spends it accordingly. I'm sure you waste plenty of money on stuff that wouldn't make sense to me. You choose not to buy the latest phone. That's your right. I understand the technological upgrade each year and I act according.

No one "needs" an iphone. It is not a basic necessity. So all of us have been "manipulated" as you say to buy this item we don't need. We buy it because we want it. And those of us with the disposable income to buy the latest and greatest every year do so. If that's not your cup of tea, all good. Spend your disposable income however you like. For me, I can afford to get the latest iphone every year, it makes me happy, so I'm going to continue to do so.

I actually need it. I’m not allowed to use android and I need continuous access to email and certain other enterprise applications.