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The X and XS camera bump depth is a 1.2mm.

If the phone was as thick as the camera bump, it would only be slightly thicker than the XR.

That'd still be 20% thicker than now, which is a huge jump for a small mobile device. It'd be heavier too and feel weird after holding a thiner device - would feel like a step backwards and i'm not sure it'd even add any meaningful battery life either. If you have to charge at the end of the day regardless it makes no sense to bother. I think that's why Apple aim towards the time they do - unless you can make the jump where you safely don't need to charge for two days then it's worth doing, otherwise it's pointless.
 
The X and XS camera bump depth is a 1.2mm.

If the phone was as thick as the camera bump, it would only be slightly thicker than the XR.

And people already complain about how thick and heavy the XR is. Despite what some think, people really don’t want thicker/heavier phones. For Apple to do that just to get rid of the camera bump is the very definition of putting form over function.

Despite the “Ive is obsessed with thinness” meme, the iPhone has been getting thicker every year since the iPhone 6. Every single year. It’s now finally gotten to the point where people are actually saying the XR is too thick.

Apple could get rid of the bump by using a less complicated lens arrangement, but again that would be putting form over function. Apple’s ok with the bump since it allows them to use higher quality optics. A couple hundred million customers agree with them that it’s an acceptable trade off. Not much different from the notch; an acceptable trade off for FaceID/smaller bezels and a display that goes all the way out to the corners. Function trumps form.
This may all be true, although some of it is subjective.

The thing is, I wasn't arguing for or against a thicker phone in my post.

I was just pointing out the fact that the camera bump is not 2-3mm deep, and losing the camera bump for a thicker phone would not make it 30% thicker.
 
This may all be true, although some of it is subjective.

The thing is, I wasn't arguing for or against a thicker phone in my post.

I was just pointing out the fact that the camera bump is not 2-3mm deep, and losing the camera bump for a thicker phone would not make it 30% thicker.
You’re right, my bad. Due to my ignore list, I didn’t see the post you were responding to; I thought you were advocating for a “thicker-than-XR” XS. I usually hit the “show ignored content” button so I can see the context of the post, but I neglected that crucial step. I apologize for misinterpreting your post and unloading on you when you clearly didn’t deserve it :eek: :oops:

Sorry about that, I’ll be more diligent in the future.
 
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Nobody:
Apple: more cameras!!!1

@

Everybody: get rid of the notch and bring back the jack?..
Apple:
 
Geez. Just make the phone a tiny bit thicker and lose the bump. Added bonus: more room for battery!

And those bigger batteries weigh absolutely nothing more, or need more room for heat dissipation. Nope you can just stick a bigger battery in it no problemo, right? o_O
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Nobody:
Apple: more cameras!!!1

@

Everybody: get rid of the notch and bring back the jack?..
Apple:

Nobody cares about the jack or notch in real life.
 
Because I'm on the Apple yearly replacement program. I always get a new phone. This way I never have to be one of those people who are always trying to decide if they want to upgrade this year or wait. I just always get the new one. Stress free living. :)
But essentially you are always wasting money. You are the perfect Apple customer because you buy everything from them. If it works for you, great but keep in mind that you are being manipulated. ;-)
 
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But essentially you are always wasting money. You are the perfect Apple customer because you buy everything from them. If it works for you, great but keep in mind that you are being manipulated. ;-)

Why is that wasting money? How I am being manipulated? Is every person who ever buys anything being manipulated by the company selling the product?
 
Ugliest design in the history of Apple. Sad but I was really looking forward to the next upgrade. This may compel me to jump ship. So far it looks like few tumors developed from Tim Apple to iPhone.
 
That'd still be 20% thicker than now, which is a huge jump for a small mobile device.
This is inaccurate.

With nothing else changing other than making the body of the iPhone flush with the camera bump on the XS, this would be the %:

15.8% thicker than a XS - 1.22mm thicker, about thickness of a DVD, or smaller than a grain of medium-graded sand.

7.5% thicker than a XR - .62mm thicker, this is smaller than two grains of salt sitting side by side or thinner than a credit card.

When compared to some of the thicker iPhones to an XS with the body flush with the camera bump:

23.3% thinner than the original iPhone - 2.7mm thinner
26.9% thinner than the iPhone 3Gs - 3.29mm thinner

So, when compared to some real life things, it may not be as thick as some people assume.
 
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Geez. Just make the phone a tiny bit thicker and lose the bump. Added bonus: more room for battery!

I'm sure the highly paid, well trained engineers at the multi-billion dollar company did not even think of that.... I'm sure they didn't even make a prototype to test with this option. You sir are a genius and should be hired by apple immediately :rolleyes:
 
Why is that wasting money? How I am being manipulated? Is every person who ever buys anything being manipulated by the company selling the product?
Well, here is an example:

If you keep a phone for 2 years exactly you break even.
If you keep a phone for 3 years you are losing money.
There will be a point where you will most likely realise that the gains you are getting don't warrant the price for it. and you will want to probably break away from that cycle.
Everyone is different I know but at this point, upgrading every year or 2 is actually a waste as the changes are incremental.

I still have iPhone 6 so the value was amazing for me. I briefly got iPhone 8 but returned it as the price vs value wasn't there. Anyway, this year is an update year for me (unless something changes) so I've 'saved' a lot of money compared to your model. Sure, you are more up to date but if the value doesn't match the price tag I see this as a waste.
Only you can truly answer that for yourself but just keep that in mind that eventually it will change as this model is not sustainable.

So, keep that in mind and evaluate properly. The money you save and perhaps put and invest into something that generates yield (in this case just simple AAPL stock) will actually make you more in the long run. Not saying to run and get AAPL right now (even if I think its still good choice) but just consider that angle.

;-)
 
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Geez. Just make the phone a tiny bit thicker and lose the bump. Added bonus: more room for battery!
I don't understand why they didn't do this. It makes absolutely no sense. What kind of feedback are they getting that they continue to push these godawful design choices on us?
 
But essentially you are always wasting money. You are the perfect Apple customer because you buy everything from them. If it works for you, great but keep in mind that you are being manipulated. ;-)

So if you enjoy the product that means you are being manipulated? Cmon...

People won’t buy the iPhone 11 for design it could be for the amazing camera performance
 
right! that's because DSLR cameras are not getting larger and uglier. i'm all for improving the quality of the camera, just not when it makes the phone uglier and bulkier. i just happen to find apple products very attractive and i hate seeing renderings such as these.

Well, the problem with photography is that you can't get around physics, so bigger lenses and sensor are necessary for better image quality (or, in the case of the iPhone, more lenses.) At this point, the camera is just about the only advancement I care about in a new iPhone, so I'm ok with it, if the image quality is a jump in quality. Plus, I use a very thin, black case on all of my phones, anyways, so the camera bulge won't be much of an issue to me.
 
And those bigger batteries weigh absolutely nothing more, or need more room for heat dissipation. Nope you can just stick a bigger battery in it no problemo, right? o_O

Nobody cares about the jack or notch in real life.

I really do hate the notch that no one else cares about (I chose the 8 when I could have had the X].

Your post troubles me because now I realize I’m a nobody living in a fantasy...
 
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Well, the problem with photography is that you can't get around physics, so bigger lenses and sensor are necessary for better image quality (or, in the case of the iPhone, more lenses.) At this point, the camera is just about the only advancement I care about in a new iPhone, so I'm ok with it, if the image quality is a jump in quality. Plus, I use a very thin, black case on all of my phones, anyways, so the camera bulge won't be much of an issue to me.

Agreed better cameras is what the Market wants..
 
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