Law Firm Capitalizes on Reports Apple's iPhones Exceeded Radiofrequency Radiation Safety Levels in Some Tests

[magicschoolbus]

And they wonder why the reproductive rate/sperm count across the western world is dropping.

Putting your cell phone by your nuts in your pocket is probably not helping.

 

[daniesy]

Everyone who was interested knew that iphones had scary high radiation levels. It's public. Just go on gsmarena.com.

 

[dannyyankou]

"this could be the Chernobyl of the cell phone industry, cover-up and all."

Hyperbole much?

 

[1050792]

Apple playing with their users health here... Lawsuit incoming.

 

[ElectricPotato]

Law Firm, Chicago Tribune: "What the **** is the electromagnetic spectrum? Sounds scary, let's call the feds"

The Tribune already contacted the feds (FCC) and after the FCC took a look at the test report from the Tribune's accredited test lab they decided to investigate.

Dismissing accredited test labs and the FCC as ignorant of EM spectrum won't make this go away. That is as stupid as the law firm talking about Chernobyl.

Somewhere in between these two extremes is the very reasonable question of why the test results differ from Apple's (and other companies).

 

[Baymowe335]

And they wonder why the reproductive rate/sperm count across the western world is dropping.

Putting your cell phone by your nuts in your pocket is probably not helping.

The high sugar, high fat, and no exercise lifestyle probably contributes more than a cell phone.

 

[Solomani]

“This could be the Chernobyl of the cell phone industry”

Good Lord. Chill with the FUD and Hyperbole - it’s borderline nauseating.

(Or maybe that’s just the radiation I got from typing this post )

It's not radiation. It's just the midichlorians at work. The Force is strong in my XS.

 

[Dave-Z]

"this could be the Chernobyl of the cell phone industry, cover-up and all."

Workers at the Chernobyl plant were exposed to lethal levels of radiation within one minute. So maybe not the best comparison?

 

[Amazing Iceman]

Here come the hungry lawyers again...

People worry about a couple watts, then blast themselves with 400W Amps inside their cars.
Add to that, fluorescent lights, transformers of all kinds, leaky microwave ovens (people don't clean the doors), etc.

 

[KidPub]

What side do you cut though.

1. Cut the red wire.
2. But first, cut the blue wire.

 

[Analog Kid]

1.6 W/kg x 60kg adult = 96W. How is iPhone capable of radiating 96W energy? Or This W is not Walt?

1.6mW averaged over any gram of tissue. The concern is localized heating, not that it’s going to slow roast a whole person...
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People worry about a couple watts, then blast themselves with 400W Amps inside their cars.

???

 

[Mojohanna32]

Thank you!!!!!!!! No one seems to want to understand that Boeing is so screwed by their actions on this plane issue. The phone thing doesn't' matter because we all get to decide if we want to use a cell phone.

"awful planes and corrupt company". That's a bit of a stretch. It's one plane at issue. Boeing has millions of flight hours to prove that it's products are not "awful". And doing something within the law and doing it poorly does not make a company corrupt. It makes them negligent.

Boeing is not out to get you...

 

[Krizoitz]

EMF radiation from Cell phone antennas have been linked to cancer causing tumors in the body as well as decreased immune system function.

Nope.
Cellphone antennas do not emit ionizing radiation, i.e. the kind that can cause cancers. You have to be in the UV range or higher for that. It’s basic physics. A standard light bulb emits higher frequency radiation. So does a candle.

 

[joeblough]

i have done this kind of testing on networking equipment in anechoic chambers. it's relatively easy to make a device pass or fail just based on how you set it up on the test stand. for instance we used to have to run with the routers completely full of ethernet cables connected to the front and draped onto the floor. we could cause the machine to either pass or fail the test by rearranging/rebundling the wires.

electromagnetic propagation is... complicated, so this is not really a surprise.

so, i'm not surprised that apple can make the devices pass and another contractor force them to fail. it doesn't really mean anything.

 

[mattster16]

So they'll be massive stories all over the media about iPhones with no mention that other brands exceeded the limits as well. Then I'll get to hear from all the Android fanboys I work with about how crappy iPhones are and how horrible of a company Apple is.
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Here come the hungry lawyers again...

People worry about a couple watts, then blast themselves with 400W Amps inside their cars.
Add to that, fluorescent lights, transformers of all kinds, leaky microwave ovens (people don't clean the doors), etc.

So many things wrong with this, but I'll focus on the microwave doors. How exactly is a dirty door going to leak microwaves? This makes NO sense.

 

[diego.caraballo]

Next act: Apple issues iOS update that diminishes the RF power
Second act: iPhone XS user never again able to make a call or use internet
Closing act: iPhone 11 is released “now with our best signal ever”

 

[CreeptoLoser]

A law firm was also behind anti-vax fears when they funded Andrew Wakefield's fraud research.

This discussion started with well educated debunks and has descended into science illiterate cranktards (leaking microwaves, sperm counts etc). That's what the internet looks like so I don't expect anything less. Websites that make money from ads don't care what happens as long as they get page refreshes.

Go study what radiation is, how much is required to damage the body, what duration, what wavelengths, and what proximity. Spend two years reading the scientific literature and not infowars or some crank blog. Then come back and waste your life posting on the internet.

 

[ElectricPotato]

i have done this kind of testing on networking equipment in anechoic chambers. it's relatively easy to make a device pass or fail just based on how you set it up on the test stand.

Very true. I've also participated in EMC testing in both open air test sites and anechoic chambers and witnessed first hand the changes orientation and operation can cause. Ideally, the lab is supposed to look for the worst case. Practically, captive labs can make passing in a "defensible" way a priority.

I've never participated in testing intentional emitters though. There are bound to be significant differences.

Side note: some of these anechoic chambers are very cool. The one located on IBM's old campus in Austin is huge!

 

[keysofanxiety]

People worry about a couple watts, then blast themselves with 400W Amps inside their cars.

I’m gonna need to tag in @AngerDanger for this one. He’s got to have a facepalm GIF appropriate enough for this comment.

 

[FaustsHausUK]

Phony doctors? Hello!

 

[bacaramac]

Can’t wait for the commercials to start in a sad depressing voice “Have you or a loved one owned an iPhone or been near an iPhone? Please call us to get compensation...blah blah blah”. Haha.

 

[ftaok]

I don’t think there enough data to tell how harmful these devices are. It could take decades to know the health risks.

Cell phones have been around since before the 80s. There's literally 4 decades worth of data to look at.

Constant cellphone usage isn't anything new. Folks have been constantly on their phones for 20 years.

Lastly, the most "dangerous" way to use a cell phone is to hold it up to your ear for a voice call ... but hardly anyone does that anymore. Most people hold it about 18" to 24" away to text or read.

Lastly(2), do you think Apple (or any OEM) would jeopardize the product by lying/falsifying their test results? They would engineer and add a shield if they found the problem late.

It's all FUD.

 

[mlenger]

Dips..t attorneys with zero brain and even less science education are the root of a lot of evil.

 

[MacNut]

Cell phones have been around since before the 80s. There's literally 4 decades worth of data to look at.

Constant cellphone usage isn't anything new. Folks have been constantly on their phones for 20 years.

Lastly, the most "dangerous" way to use a cell phone is to hold it up to your ear for a voice call ... but hardly anyone does that anymore. Most people hold it about 18" to 24" away to text or read.

Lastly(2), do you think Apple (or any OEM) would jeopardize the product by lying/falsifying their test results? They would engineer and add a shield if they found the problem late.

It's all FUD.

We use our phones differently than we did in the 80s. Plus I'm sure they have more power than those early bricks did.

Not only phones but smart watches, bluetooth earbuds, those are close to the body.

Remember when the cigarette companies said there was no issue smoking 10 packs a day. Of course companies are going to say what they need to make money and hide any issues.

I'm not saying you won't get brain cancer from using your phone, but you have a higher chance of getting it than not using a cell phone at all.

 

[urgs]

I don’t think there enough data to tell how harmful these devices are. It could take decades to know the health risks.

The point is, we all are surrounded bei electromagnetic fields in different frequencies everyday and there are no scientific, peer reviewed, double blinded studies that support the claim that EM fields in a range of only a few watts are any harmfull at all.

There are two effects caused by EM radiation.
The first one is a thermal effect. For that effect being harmful, you'll need much more power than any smartphone antenna is able to deliver. And you'll have to meet the resonant frequency (or side frequency) of a specific molecule, to heat this up. Microwaves do this with water molecules.
Because mobile phone frequency bands are near the resonant frequency of water molecules, there are some claims, that your mobile phone can heat up your head a little bit. And there were some strong evidences for this claim to be true. But this effect doesn't go very deep an if you stay in the sun for a few minutes, it has a way stronger thermal effect than using your phone for a whole day.

The second effect is ionizing radiation. Only very short lengthened / high frequency radiation (like gamma ray, or x-ray) is ionizing. It's caused by nuclear decay or very very high thermal reactions (a million degrees or more). We don't talk about that in this case.