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Meanwhile the electric company force installs on customers new wireless meters that output a pulsing signals.
 
We use our phones differently than we did in the 80s. Plus I'm sure they have more power than those early bricks did.

Not only phones but smart watches, bluetooth earbuds, those are close to the body.

Remember when the cigarette companies said there was no issue smoking 10 packs a day. Of course companies are going to say what they need to make money and hide any issues.

I'm not saying you won't get brain cancer from using your phone, but you have a higher chance of getting it than not using a cell phone at all.
Again, as has been previously stated, electromagnetic “radiation” is not ionizing radiation. Different things do different things. Radio waves do not have enough power to break molecular bonds; gamma rays from a wad of plutonium does. That is why these references to “Chernobyl” are so misleading.
 
Nope.
Cellphone antennas do not emit ionizing radiation, i.e. the kind that can cause cancers. You have to be in the UV range or higher for that. It’s basic physics. A standard light bulb emits higher frequency radiation. So does a candle.

Sorry, guess I won't listen to the peer reviewed research...

BTW the oxidative properties discussed in this article are similiar to patterns that induce some cancers. However more research needs done in this avenue for sure. A cell phone isn't the biggest culprit but as others have said, our utilization of them at times is heavier than any other device we own, except for a microwave.
 

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In my 62 years of life so far I have yet to need an attorney. Nor do I imagine ever needing one.

Let one person run a red light and slam into you and see how fast you'll need one to DEFEND yourself.
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Can’t wait for the commercials to start in a sad depressing voice “Have you or a loved one owned an iPhone or been near an iPhone? Please call us to get compensation...blah blah blah”. Haha.

I wonder if Apple will feature those ads in their 'made with iPhone' section?
 
We use our phones differently than we did in the 80s. Plus I'm sure they have more power than those early bricks did.
Not saying you're wrong, but you probably are. The cell phones of the 80s/90s were analog and used tremedous amounts of power. Way more than is required today with digital technology. (Caveat - I'm an engineer, but not a radio communications engineer, so I could be totally off base)

Not only phones but smart watches, bluetooth earbuds, those are close to the body.
This article is about the iPhone, and to a lesser degree, smartphones from other OEMs. But since you brought it up, most wearables use Bluetooth and not celluar radios. The amount of radiation given off by most wearable is tiny (and not typically the cancer/tumor causing kind). LTE smartwatches ... maybe you have a point on this one, but then again, LTE radios don't necessarily produce tumor causing radiation.

Remember when the cigarette companies said there was no issue smoking 10 packs a day. Of course companies are going to say what they need to make money and hide any issues.
Anything could happen, but there are too many Erin Brockovitch types to get away with it in this particular case. And it's not like a cell phone can be fixed/redesigned to get lower SAR ratings ... pretty difficult to make a cigarette less dangerous.

I'm not saying you won't get brain cancer from using your phone, but you have a higher chance of getting it than not using a cell phone at all.
OK, I'll play. Maybe, maybe not. But you could make the argument that having a cell phone can save your life when you're trapped under a car with no one around. That might/might not be a much more likely case than getting a brain tumor from using an iPhone or Airpods.
 
No phones made today emit as high radiation as they did a decade ago for the simple reason that there are many more transmitting towers today than there were a decade ago.
Remember when your mobile phone had a big antenna sticking out the top of it? That's mostly because the transmitters were few and far between so they had to pack a big punch. They don't need them any more.
And that was in the days when we spend hours on the phone with them pressed to our ears. Nowadays we mostly spend hours looking at the screen or testing. Anything over 9" and I doubt you'll get any EMF from the thing at all due to the inverse square law;
The output from the phone will also vary a lot depending on how strong the signal it can get is. If the signal is weak it will have to 'try harder'.
Just about the worst place to be therefore is in a a metal underground train/subway like a giant Faraday cage where there's no signal and everyone's phone is switched on.

But really, it's nothing to worry about for many, many reasons. It's a tiny tiny risk.

And as for causing cancer- well there's no evidence for it but tell me something that doesn't?

Water does because it contains tritium.
Radon does and a lot us have Radon in our homes and living on any sort or igneous rock like basalt will be radioactive.
Pollution in many of its forms does- small particles from brake dust and soot, chemicals leeching out of your carpet, particle board and fabrics giving of formaldehyde....
Sawdust does.
Sunlight definitely does.
So better go live in a limestone cave then.
 
An attorney is not required to create a legally-binding will. Not at all.

Not required, but having professional help for estate planning (will, POA, DNR) can catch a lot of corner cases a layperson would miss.

As expensive and sometimes irritating as they are, lawyers and accountants are the best way to keep up with arcane and constantly changing rules no sane person would spend time learning. It all depends on how much you have to lose if you get it wrong.
 
Remember when the cigarette companies said there was no issue smoking 10 packs a day. Of course companies are going to say what they need to make money and hide any issues.


You can't mix this up.
Inhaling a ******** of unhealthy substances was known to be harmful even before tobacco companies tried to tell us the opposite story. Maybe, in the beginning, they didn't knew anything about cancer. But that smoking is harmful was still common knowledge thousands of years earlier.

Electromagnetic fields on the other hand are an absolute different story.
We all live in electromagnetic fields our entire live. You know, even light is em radiation, don't you? Many hundreds of watts per square meter. Every single second. Directly on your skin.
And yes, even light can make you sick. UV frequency are well known to cause cancer. The red part of the light spectrum burns your skin because of it's heat. But you need long exposure times and a lot more energy than any smartphone is delivering.
 
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--who keeps a phone near their head at this point? - surprised they didn't also test the airpods..
 
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EMF radiation from Cell phone antennas have been linked to cancer causing tumors in the body as well as decreased immune system function. a Google search of Ebsco academic journal search will connect you to the current literature. The only unknown is how much exposure is required, this is due to cell phone technology being relatively new in terms of studying prolonged use.
The photon energy in the electromagnetic frequencies used by cellphones and cell towers do not have the ability to ionize electrons from their atoms. This is basic early 20th century physics which was explained by Einstein’s paper on the photoelectric effect. The energy per photon is given by E=hf where h is Planck’s constant and f if the electromagnetic frequency. The photon frequency of the visible light from a candle is about 10,000 times greater than that of a GHz radio wave meaning that the visible light photon has 10,000 times the ionizing energy of the radio wave and you don’t see people worrying about that.
 
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AM/FM radios that you put on your head do the same thing and cordless phones for landlines do it too.
I wonder how much comes from my antenna headphones for my Sirius stiletto.(Sat radio tuner)?
 
"Apple told The Chicago Tribune that testing had not been conducted properly and was not "in accordance with procedures necessary to properly assess the iPhone models."

Apple's lawyers should come down on the Tribune like a ton of bricks if this is true.
 
MacRumors should cut the phone lines and contain the spread of misinformation.

True. I mean after all, I wondered how T-Mobile coverage areas improved so quickly. I always thought it had to be a cheap fix.
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"Apple told The Chicago Tribune that testing had not been conducted properly and was not "in accordance with procedures necessary to properly assess the iPhone models."

Apple's lawyers should come down on the Tribune like a ton of bricks if this is true.

And therein is one of the major problems with the lack of a NIST/ANSI-recognized telecom standard. European standards change faster than the wind changes. This is to protect the telecom companies.
 
While probably not as severe as Chernobyl the same downplay is in effect. When in doubt minimize your exposure until the real truth comes out.
 
Oh look - more negative word of mouth and bad brand image to be spread around to potential customers. Another public relations nightmare that Apple will have to control and hope doesn’t gain any traction.

Aren’t we tired of this yet? When will the shareholders come together and demand CEO change? What else needs to happen?
 
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