And you're 100% certain that this is all about money? Like you have documented proof that shows this is about money and nothing else?
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Law Firms Consider 'Error 53' Lawsuits Against Apple as Some Stores Authorized for Repairs
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And you're 100% certain that this is all about money? Like you have documented proof that shows this is about money and nothing else?
I totally understand Apple has to disable the fingerprint sensor and all related functionalities for safety reasons, I disagree Apple has to disable the entire phone, that's bully !
After all the workaround for the fingerprint sensor is the old numeric code...
That is wrong. The error is a result of logicboard to touchsensor combination mismatch. I have done the experiment I described above. Simply swapping touchid sensors results in the error. Apple doesn't detect for fraudulent sensors, or tampered sensors, or third party sensors. They just decided to go for the shotgun approach and block all mismatched combinations.
He doesn't know it. If Apple are worried about people's security, the 'Error 53' message should be displayed the moment the phone is repaired/tampered with.
Don't be a tool... Have you seen the margins on each iPhone
The problem with your assertion is that it's not just some Joe Shmo with a screwdriver. In some cases, the issue has arisen from authorized apple repair locations.
It is important to remember that Apple doesn't detect non-standard parts. I think everyone would be fine with that. The error comes up even if you put in a standard working touchsensor from another iphone. The test isn't for compliance with Apple's standard, the test isn't for tampering. The test is just a blunt instrument that disables the entire phone if any touch sensor is put in which isn't the original one that came with the phone. I think the car analogy works because it illustrates how ludicrous it is to disable an entire product when one irrelevant component is changed, even if it is changed with an OEM replacement part.
I watch fictional movies where corporations take over and I always think, "That'll never happen people won't allow that." Then I come to Macrumors and I can see how it can happen.
I never thought I'd see so many people advocate a corporations right to make a person's property unusable if they refuse to be held hostage to repair. Don't get me wrong, I have Apple Plus and all. I take my devices back to the manufacturer during the warranty period. But after the warranty I do research and pick the best vendor OEM or not. I can't imagine that Touch ID has such poor that bricking is a requirement for safety during repair.
I thought it always required my fingerprint. If Touch ID allows the sensitive data to be accessed without my fingerprint or passcode there is a problem.
I never thought I'd see so many people advocate a corporations right to make a person's property unusable if they refuse to be held hostage to repair. Don't get me wrong, I have Apple Plus and all. I take my devices back to the manufacturer during the warranty period. But after the warranty I do research and pick the best vendor OEM or not. I can't imagine that Touch ID has such poor that bricking is a requirement for safety during repair.
I thought it always required my fingerprint. If Touch ID allows the sensitive data to be accessed without my fingerprint or passcode there is a problem.
Don't be a dope. Security is a much bigger issue in this situation than money.
The car analogy is good due to the parallels. If you get your car ECU flashed or replaced with a non-oem and it kills the engine, the manufacturer is under no obligation to fix it or even look at it, if they find the ecu has been tampered with.
Nah, I think he has a point. This is all about control this time... Abuse of power over the market you supply.
This is NOT one of the "phone's most vital" components. It's a stupid 9.99$ sensor that probably costs 2.99$ to mass produce and 15 minutes to swap out... But this brings up an interesting question: How much an Apple-certified "Genuis" would charge you, to replace a broken sensor/home button on an iPhone that's unfortunately out of warranty... IF he would do it at all, that is...
People should be careful what they wish for. The result could be a significant step backwards for privacy/security.
Understand the issue since 2013.
I think someone got through the security and Apple shut that down.
Sort of like damaging your credit card and going to a local shop in a Afghanistan and them printing you a new chip card in the back room. I don't think so.
http://9to5mac.com/2013/10/31/the-i...print-sensor-is-paired-to-a-specific-a7-chip/
I think someone got through the security and Apple shut that down.
Sort of like damaging your credit card and going to a local shop in a Afghanistan and them printing you a new chip card in the back room. I don't think so.
http://9to5mac.com/2013/10/31/the-i...print-sensor-is-paired-to-a-specific-a7-chip/
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With every Apple product I have ever purchased and had issues with, I have never once considered taking my machine to a non-Apple certified repair shop.
I wasn't addressing the part of how that should potentially be dealt with, simply the potential why.
There is more than one component involved here and, to the best of my knowledge, one of them (the secure element) is soldered onto the logic board. It's key to various other functions that would also need to be inhibited. At what point would the phone become non-operational if the secure element was powered down. Let's face it, if someone has messed up a repair, they should be liable for un-messing it, to the extent of providing a new logic board and sensor.
The OS and all other running software is sandboxed from the secure element, but a suspect hardware device could in theory get at its innards, and communicate information to installed software. Apple did exactly the right thing.
I have trouble with the whole "3rd party parts...". Many repair centers, approved or not use recycled Apple parts. That recycled part still, since it doesn't match, cause your to device to be "bricked".
Update: this specific issue appears to only affect the iPhone 6/6+ and 6S/6S+ and not the 5S, Mini3, Mini 4, iPad Air 2, iPad Pro.
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Biggest country which tries to get into iPhones (and to get any other user data) is USA
They don't perform according to specification. They are mismatched.
That's what we call a false dichotomy!
I've got a car analogy that actually uses analogous parts!
Car uses a key fob that securely connects to the vehicle to allow it to be started. Third-party replaces part in car without correctly pairing it to the key fob. Car won't start.
Thanks for sharing with us your intimate knowledge of the pairing mechanism between the secure element and other hardware components on the iPhone, what it's for, and why it doesn't really feature at all in the designers' considerations.
Well it really depends on how Apple is checking, right? Isn't it possible that the parts being used are just as compatible as the Apple parts, but Apple is checking for their signature (only).
I will agree with you if you can tell me how that is possible. That statement of yours and many others in the same vein have absolutely no factual proof that it is even possible.
Either direct me to how it is possible or drop the "what if" games.
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What about the Mini 3 and 4?
You're going to void something if your servicing involves tampering with the vehicle's security. You know, things like how many miles it's done, and stuff like that.
This makes no sense. The security associated with Apple's Touch ID is that the sensor/reader is paired with the logic board of the iPhone via some measure. Meaning, when a 3rd party repair shop replaces the screen/glass, they must transfer the old sensor to the new screen to keep the pairing intact. If they do not, the pairing is broken and the Touch phone will fail to identify the Touch ID as being authorized.
How is this Apple's fault? Apple is not doing this on purpose. Repair shops should know better. In fact, if you shop for a replacement screen/glass kit at any reputable store online, they warn you that the old Touch ID must be transferred.
How is this Apple's fault? Apple is not doing this on purpose. Repair shops should know better. In fact, if you shop for a replacement screen/glass kit at any reputable store online, they warn you that the old Touch ID must be transferred.