Again, the problem wasn't upgrading for free. The problem was that the upgrade slowed down the iPhones when they ran perfectly on iOS 6.
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Yeah, exactly. iOS 7's design is one of the factors. Not just performance, but by God I want the flat design to go the way of the dodo.
Speaking of animations in iOS in more general terms:
Stop forcing me to wait for animations finishing till the very last petty frame until you accept touch input.
Another thing: many animations need to be sped up and the app switcher needs to snap into position faster.
You gently swipe to scroll through and personally: I fumble not to miss the app I need to interact with.
But again: most importantly: animations shouldn't block touch input ever.
No matter how long I use iOS I can never get used to the timing and it's a real hold-up.
Fixing this would improve my experience so much I'd be willing to say it'd be equivalent to a major version upgrade or more.
If I wasn't an iOS user already precisely that would be something that'd keep me from buying, but it's something that only over time you begin to realise how bad this is.
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Tough titties. No one made them update. FaceTime is just one of hundreds of features on the iPhone.
What do you mean by "no one made them update"? By breaking a key features in iOS 6...they essentially forced users to upgrade. You know...people complained because people actually used it.
there are too many holes in these arguments. Majority "older" devices at the time were perfectly capable of running iOS7. My 4 ran it fine...but yes, eventually old devices will slow down. that is technology. people experiencing bugginess and whatnot likely had other issues compounding the problem and were unwilling to restore their device. I met many people in my years at the Genius Bar who came in saying "EVER SINCE I UPDATED TO IOS 7 MY PHONE IS SLOW. APPLE DOES THIS ON PURPOSE TO FORCE US TO UPDATE." then i'd look at their phone at they have an 8 or 16gb model, with almost NO free space, tons of software crashes logged in diagnostics, using Facebook constantly all day. Restoring their device and removing some of the crap from it would have fixed their issues but they'd decide
customer: "no i don't want to lose all of my photos and texts."
me: "ok so run an iCloud backup"
customer: "no i don't want to pay $3 a month" (mind you they are holding a $5 starbucks cup at the time)
me: "ok then import your photos to a computer and restore from iTunes"
customer: "my PC is old and slow and i don't want to deal with it"
me "ooookkk....."
you give people the options and they don't want to do it out of laziness. because they are not educated about the product
I hate trolls also, with a passion, but why would they give up... they are making millions of dollars a lot easier than most can make $35,000/year with an honest job. Welcome to the American way.
Some in this thread think if it's a free update you couldn't possibly bring up a complaint of any sort. Because after all, it's free!
Nothing is free in life, especially not from apple.
Many of us had to upgrade our devices because our iPhone or iPad or iPod ran like crap on iOS6/7. Are the new devices free?!
Nothing is free in life, especially not from apple.
Many of us had to upgrade our devices because our iPhone or iPad or iPod ran like crap on iOS6/7. Are the new devices free?!
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Apple was truely and unnecessarily penny pinching. Taking Apple to court over this is absolutely perfect. Sue Apple, sue them badly. Apple introduced an intentional bug to kill software on iPhones and iPads. And upgrading to iOS 7 for users with some devices slowed down and made those devices not workable forcing customers to buy new devices.
Totally despicable corporate behaviour by Apple.
I truely hope that Apple is sued for at least 5 x 10 x the $50 million fees that they tried to save in stuffing up customer devices. $50 million wasn't a huge expense to support the service.
Steve Jobs wouldn't have deliberately damaged iOS 6 and devices like this. Jobs knew everything about a good customer experience. Killing the OS and killing the device prematurely is despicable.
The way this information has been revealed is enlightening. Bad move executives, VERY BAD MOVE.
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This wasn't just planned obselence, but more sabotaging customer purchased devices. It deserves a court ruling that truely reflects the seriousness of what occurred.
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MY DEVICE, MY CHOICE WHETHER I UPGRADE. NOT YOURS, NOT APPLE'S. MY CHOICE.
Come on are you that obtuse, Apple makes billions selling upgrades of their hardware directly because they have a history of crippling and making older products work slower by providing "free" software making people get the itch to update their hardware. In fact a large part of Apple's profit comes simply from selling upgrades to existing consumers; its why they are so slow to gain market share because they all too happy with forcing millions of built-in consumers to upgrade because they start rolling out kill switches in iOS to make older products less usable and enjoyable.
Interestingly, most of these nonsense lawsuits come from either California or Florida.
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Too much sun on the brains!
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"Less jaded", ha. It happened a 2.5 years ago. Either rose tinted glasses or new to Apple. I've used Apple (and Microsoft, Linux - still do) for decades and they all have the same caveat "be wary of upgrades". Not everyone will affect all users equally, as use cases vary. But upgrading software can always bring negative results, always has, pretty much always will.
How is it crappy? Read the article. $50m a year in fees. Eventually that would come down on the users. Things aren't free. An in-house solution was developed to alleviate that cost. It would've been stupid to continue paying, how do you justify a cost that can be taken care of?
Yes, the way to build a successful brand that prides itself on long lasting electronics is to make them work worse on purpose. This comes up all the time. What we do know is features are added and they strain older hardware. But it's a damned if you do/damned if you don't situation. If no updates were given you get uproar. If updates are given with features missing you get uproar. One thing I have noticed is that the last few generations of SoCs are so powerful that newer software seems to run better for longer. Less of the upgrade slowness that can creep in on lowered powered devices from early iOS models.
The situation wasn't great though and Apple could've handled it better. Perhaps they could've continued paying the Akamai relay fees for those on iOS 6, as they would've reduced rapidly as the majority of users got on board with iOS 7. However history has trained me to understand that Apple can be pretty ruthless with legacy technologies (I noticed recently that Apps may need to be updated soon to support 64-bit, for example: https://arstechnica.com/apple/2017/...oon-end-support-for-unmaintained-32-bit-apps/).
But we know, and if people don't they should that being within the walled garden of Apple brings positives and negatives such as this. Ultimately you play by Apples rules. If you want freedom, I would suggest another brand as the strategy has worked well for Apple and I don't see them changing course.
I imagine there is a problem with your mini 4. I still use an iPhone 6 with the same A8 SoC as your mini 4 (albeit the version in my iPhone is slightly slower clocked and has half the RAM). My iPhone still performs pretty well, definitely isn't as slick like my wife's 6s but the difference is marginal. If your mini 4 is choking I imagine other issues. As my iPhone 6 hasn't choked - we obviously visit different sites - so I'm happy to try an example link if you provide one and will report back.
Comparing a competitor device that slows after months versus a 4 year old 2nd Gen iPad mini is a bit of a stretch. Of course the mini is no longer going to fly. I notice the same slower response on my parents iPad 2 - but they haven't complained yet so I'm happy to let them use it for now. Your mini 4 should be performing better tho, I'd recommend a back & restore to start.
Did you know America actually never landed on the moon and 9/11 was orchestrated by George W. Bush?
When Apple went from Motorola chips to Intel, they made sure Motorola chips disintegrated inside all existing Macs.
Then they wrote new pre-planned code that from Snow Leopard on only people with 64 bit can use the latest OS X.
They also are responsible for Tsunamis and Fukushima's latest leaks , which cause the delay of kaby lake processors, so they can develop their own ARM version. In 3 months they will be switching to 128bit chips and render all Apple computers and apps useless.
They also had undercover agents in SAMSUNG battery factories, who overnight always added a small layer of material, so the batteries would be slightly too thick and explode.
There is just so much we do not know.
We can't put anything past Apple. They cannot be trusted.
Please in your own interest, refrain from buying any Apple products immediately.
I would not want you to get hurt!
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Not even close.
iOS 7.0 was extremely slow, with animation input blocking over 1500 ms.
6 months later, 7.1 improved it a bit but nowhere even remotely close to 6. It's been slowly improving still with 10 being the closest, but still slower.
Heck, even my 1st gen iPad on iOS 5 can navigate the OS faster than my exponentially more powerful iPhone 6.
Most likely lawyers read the VirnetX case and then went fishing for iPhone users that could conceivably have standing.
The first post in this thread talks about Apple email from a previous lawsuit talking about it. That is the evidence.
How about banking apps? Should I sue my bank because I can not use their app without upgrading to a newer free version?
Or maybe I should sue because AT&T stopped offering 2G service forcing me to upgrade from my original iPhone.
I can't watch YouTube on my Apple TV 2 anymore. Class action lawsuit time?
MacOS removed the Front Row Application, better call your lawyer.
The Akamai deal created a disincentive for Apple to make FaceTime better or more widely adopted.
Any incentive that makes use of Apple products and services more expensive for Apple is a bad thing for end users. It can't help but have follow-on effects such as delaying the rollout of multi-user chat or other improvements that would cause Apple to rack up bigger bills to Akamai.
Wouldn't we rather the $50 million go to recruiting and retaining the best engineering talent than be flushed down the drain on un-recoupable fees? Or even go back to investors, to create a stronger capital market that Apple can draw upon to take on new projects. Or, hell, even going directly in Tim Cook's pocket is better. That helps Apple recruit the best CEOs going forward by having a track records of generous pay. The ONLY use of the money contemplated here that has no benefits to the entire apple ecosystem is giving it away to a 3rd party.
Any incentive that makes use of Apple products and services more expensive for Apple is a bad thing for end users. It can't help but have follow-on effects such as delaying the rollout of multi-user chat or other improvements that would cause Apple to rack up bigger bills to Akamai.
Wouldn't we rather the $50 million go to recruiting and retaining the best engineering talent than be flushed down the drain on un-recoupable fees? Or even go back to investors, to create a stronger capital market that Apple can draw upon to take on new projects. Or, hell, even going directly in Tim Cook's pocket is better. That helps Apple recruit the best CEOs going forward by having a track records of generous pay. The ONLY use of the money contemplated here that has no benefits to the entire apple ecosystem is giving it away to a 3rd party.
That's what I said. iPhone 3GS doesn't have a front camera, but it got iOS 6.1.6 too.
Another Edit: After (even more) research, now it makes (even more) sense:
- iOS 6.1.5 (November 15, 2013, according to ipsw.me) corrected the Facetime expired certificate problem, and it was available only for iPod Touch 4th Gen;
https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1702
- iOS 6.1.6 (February 21, 2014, according to ipsw.me) corrected the GoToFail bug... That's why 3GS and iPod Touch 4th Gen got it..
https://www.macrumors.com/2014/04/24/ios-6-facetime-fix/
Apple detailed security info on iOS 6.1.6 (GoToFail bug):
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202920
Still, anyone with a working 3GS and some free time could confirm if Facetime is available for it...
Edit 2: I remembered I had to buy Facetime for my wife's MacBook, wich remained in Snow Leopard for a long time, and by the certificate issue happened, Snow Leopard didn't get updates anymore. My MacBook, otherwise, had Mountain Lion. Mavericks was the current version.
Edit 3: Why the hell did they initially mention the "April 16, 2014" date, if 6.1.6 was released almost 2 months earlier? Not to mention 6.1.5... I'm confused..
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I think those who dismiss this lawsuit are either Apple stock holders or working for Apple, or related to people working for Apple.
It's just pathetic to defend Apple now that we have email evidence to show the intent to sabotage customers.
It's just pathetic to defend Apple now that we have email evidence to show the intent to sabotage customers.