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I was genuinely hoping for an iPhone pro max that unfolds into an iPad mini. Sadly this rumor doesn’t support that.
 
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just not my experience, neither with a cap nor with my transition glasses nor with my sunglasses, don't know what else to say
You should google it if you don’t believe it, very well known issue as other have also pointed out…

Issues with Face ID in Bright Sunlight​

Face ID can struggle to recognize faces in bright sunlight due to how it uses infrared light. Here are some common reasons and solutions:

Reasons for Recognition Issues​

  • Sunglasses: Many sunglasses block infrared light, which is essential for Face ID to function. Polarized or mirrored lenses can particularly interfere with the sensors.
  • Require Attention Setting: If this setting is enabled, Face ID checks if your eyes are visible. Sunglasses can obscure this, leading to failures in recognition.
 
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You should google it if you don’t believe it, very well known issue as other have also pointed out…

Issues with Face ID in Bright Sunlight​

Face ID can struggle to recognize faces in bright sunlight due to how it uses infrared light. Here are some common reasons and solutions:

Reasons for Recognition Issues​

  • Sunglasses: Many sunglasses block infrared light, which is essential for Face ID to function. Polarized or mirrored lenses can particularly interfere with the sensors.
  • Require Attention Setting: If this setting is enabled, Face ID checks if your eyes are visible. Sunglasses can obscure this, leading to failures in recognition.
nowhere did I say I don't believe it, it just doesn't happen to me, believe it or not
 
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Would two sensors be problematic?
IF they has 2 sensors lets say face id, and you held the phoneup and somene was on oneside and some else was on thenother side. Would thebphone unlock? Wouldit unlock only one side?

With 2 screens how will apple handle locking. What if i have a message come in right now my iphone hides the message content unless i am looking at it. If im looking inside the phone will it reveal content on the outside side?

These are actually very simple basic questions(with tricky answers) and hopefully apple has came up with good answers to these and other similar implementation questions. This is what apple (used to be) good at.

Im not hopeful given tahoe and ios26 dumpster fires. Could the iPhone fold be the undoing of apple.?

If they implement this in janky half baked confusing unfinished un polished ways it will be the cyber truck of iphones - expensive, pointless and utterly useless.

I cant wait to see what happens. They will either a) bring out a super polished, highly advanced, device with solutions and design features for things you havent evn thought about , or b) a janky half baked expensive massive white elephant flop to be ridiculed at a level never seen before.

If they fail on ifold v1 people will be super cautious about v2

Remind me how well the vision OS headset thingis doing?
 
Lack of Face ID on what will undoubtedly be the most expensive iPhone in 2026 is absurd, and Apple once again seems to be missing on the fact that people don’t care about thinness; they want the battery, the cameras, the Face ID. No Face ID and 5.25” phone screen are going to hurt this for me. Smallest screen I’d want thinking about width is the old iPhone X 5.8” screen as well; I’ve been a big screen user sans the 14 Pro every year since iPhone 6s Plus.

As much as I do want a foldable iPad in my pocket, and don’t care about cost, I do care about how well it works and no Face ID, lousy battery life, and likely weaker cameras will keep me in the Pro phone zone likely longer than I’d like.
 
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TouchID is a no-go for me.
At the rumored price point it gotta have faceid, don't care about the "thickness"

+1 TouchID is unreliable in general and especially in the winter. By contrast, FaceID has been flawless for me since its debut in the iPhone X. I doubt this rumor as I don't see how Apple's top iPhone by price could omit FaceID. With all the cameras that exist today, you really don't want to type your passcode in public after TouchID fails.
 
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The regressions are quite telling
  • Reduction in outer screen size from 6.3" (for Pro) down to 5.3" (Smaller than the X/XS/11 and IPhone 7/8 Plus)
  • Reduction from three rear cameras to two (presumably no telephoto)
  • Moving back from FaceID to TouchID
Seems like a lot of compromise for a device costing $2k or over. I guses the camera could potentially use a folding optics system to allow one camera to do wide and telephoto, but that's probably not going to be compatible with a thin phone.
Non-starter. Really hope this all ends up as BS but after Air and the last few years, I have complete faith in Apple to muck this up.
 
if only there was another way to get into an iPhone or iPad!

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At least in my case, I have a strong password on my phone (over 15 characters, with uppercase, lowercase, numbers, and special characters.) Typing it in can be annoying when I'm sitting in an air-conditioned office, let alone with touchscreen gloves on a windy winter day.

I'm glad TouchID works for lots of people, and it worked for me most of the time when I used it, but IMO it's a huge step backwards and I'm not interested in a phone without FaceID, which is a shame, because I am otherwise very interested in a foldable.
 
I’ll be getting it on release unless the battery life is horrible (worse than iPhone air)

I picked up the galaxy fold in store and it felt lighter than my 17pm with an almost 8 inch main display.

Prefer Touch ID over faceID but both are fine although I haven’t used the iPad Air one.

Hope they fix the app grid to have less wasted space
 
Most of these feature rumors are the same ones we've been hearing about for a while, except for the stronger indication that the main display might have an under-display front-facing camera.
 
Would two sensors be problematic?
The Face ID hardware reportedly isn't cheap, and presumably there's also a space problem on the half of the device that is sandwiched between the outer and inner displays.

As an aside, I personally would pay a premium to have both Face ID and Touch ID on every device, and I'd also like multiple Face ID sensors on the iPad Pro, because the single one gets covered by your hands or is otherwise in the wrong position every so often.
 
I was genuinely hoping for an iPhone pro max that unfolds into an iPad mini. Sadly this rumor doesn’t support that.
That wouldn't work in terms of aspect ratios. An unfolded iPhone Pro Max would have a roughly square screen. You can experiment with a piece of cardboard to see what size combination of inner and outer screen you would prefer.
 
With 2 screens how will apple handle locking. What if i have a message come in right now my iphone hides the message content unless i am looking at it. If im looking inside the phone will it reveal content on the outside side?
That's pretty straightforward: When you unfold the phone, the outer screen is switched off at the same time the inner screen gets switched on. Simultaneously, the inner camera and sensors are used instead of the outer ones. Only one "side" is active at any time.
 
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isn't the premium feature the fact that it will fold from a regular size fold to that of an iPad mini or close to?
I don't know. Is a folding phone in itself a premium feature? It's unique and different, but if they remove cameras, remove Face ID and potentially other features all to have it fold, it feels less premium and more gimmicky. Again, if i am paying $2k+ for a phone, i want it to have the best of line offerings.
 
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The post also claims the device will feature a dual 48-megapixel rear camera system described as having a "large base," which suggests a physically larger sensor size than pixel count alone indicates.
Not sure if this was translated properly. My interpretation is that they may be referring to a camera plateau on the back, which is going to be super annoying for when people lay it flat in tablet mode.

I really hope Apple makes it grippier, because using a case with this will be difficult. That's the main reason I use a case. I know that the phone glass is fairly durable now, but when I tried going caseless with my 17 Pro, it was almost like holding a bar of soap. That combined with an anodized surface means it's going to look like trash with scratches, dents and dings within months. Also I've become very much accustomed to cases with a rotating, flip out magnetic ring where you snap on MagSafe and it doubles as a stand in various orientations, as well as a finger grip. It's nearly impossible to prop up the iPhone 17 Pro without a case, as it just slides back down, unless you can get it nearly 90 degrees vertical.

As for the foldable category taking off, I doubt it, unless serious advances are made to bring down price. We're moving into very uncertain economic headwinds between a forming bubble in AI, housing, and BNPL, not to mention tariffs and whatever crazy random BS happens next year. Apple may have a good quarter when it launches, but I think sales are likely to fall off at a steeper rate than normal.
 
I have touchid on my iPad Air, success rate is maybe 60%, faceid on my 17PM: 100%
Hm, interesting statistic. I also have iPad Air and never almost never had issues. My advice ( you might probably know already ) try to register the same finger as a second one - it should help you
 
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The no FaceID thing is so strange, but there are enough rumors about it at this point to make it seem like it's definitely going to be TouchID only. It was 17F here this morning, the idea of having to take a glove off to use a phone outside in the winter is pretty much a non-starter, and I'm otherwise super interested in a foldable.

I’m also in the “no Face ID is a dealbreaker” camp: I just greatly prefer Face ID to Touch ID, it works significantly better for me and when I use a device that has Touch ID now I find it annoying.

For something I’m using as much as I’m using my phone, I don’t want to go back to Touch ID if I can help it.

Going back to touchID after years of faceID sounds like a MAJOR downgrade to me personally… (especially at the rumored price point) And for that reason alone, I’m out.
To everyone complaining about the lack of Face ID, let’s hold off and see what Apple implements. I use a pixel 10 pro fold and it does not have Face ID but it does have facial authentication using the onboard camera. And apparently its good enough for biometric equivalent because I can use it to unlock password management unlock the phone and unlock my apps. The beauty is I have both facial recognition and touch ID on my pixel and can use either which is great considering changing conditions (like wearing gloves.
 
Because Touch ID is crap in comparison to Face ID, and the fact that by the time this comes out I would have been using Face ID for about 9 years, so I don't want to go backwards in technology.

It's a bloody nuisance that Touch ID still exists on the current iPad Mini, I hate it. Not to mention you can't use Touch ID with gloves on, so that's not great during the winter, and it tends to be unreliable if your fingerprint is slightly damaged with a cut or something else, and you have to make sure your hands are not damp or dirty, and then you have to make sure you only use the fingers you scanned. Touch ID absolutely sucks, Face ID I just look, and it works no matter what the weather is, if I'm dirty or full of cuts and bruises, and it works no matter what I wear.

Apple would be stupid to go backwards, but I wouldn't put it passed them, plus they can say we made Face ID work on the second version.
I see your point and I kinda agree with you, but Touch ID implementation gives you a full second screen without any holes on it, camera will be under the screen.

For me personally will be a BiG NO if Apple do not put inside a carbon silicone battery.
 
To everyone complaining about the lack of Face ID, let’s hold off and see what Apple implements. I use a pixel 10 pro fold and it does not have Face ID but it does have facial authentication using the onboard camera. And apparently it’s good enough for biometric equivalent because I can use it to unlock password management unlock the phone and unlock my apps. The beauty is I have both facial recognition and touch ID on my pixel and can use either which is great considering changing conditions (like wearing gloves.
You can easily tricks facial recognition by regular camera with a simple photo but you can’t trick a Face ID with the photo.
Apple will not do it.

But im okay with Touch ID , it works fine on iPad Air and I never had any major issues with it
 
Hm, interesting statistic. I also have iPad Air and never almost never had issues. My advice ( you might probably know already ) try to register the same finger as a second one - it should help you
I just last week registered it as a 4th finger ;(
my skin is very dry, and with humidity currently in the tenth here in Southern California, it doesn't help. Registering that finger took several minutes, so, my skin is the problem for that low number, but even when new it was like maybe 80%.
 
I just last week registered it as a 4th finger ;(
my skin is very dry, and with humidity currently in the tenth here in Southern California, it doesn't help. Registering that finger took several minutes, so, my skin is the problem for that low number, but even when new it was like maybe 80%.
Oh in this case yes, it is a dealbreaker for sure
 
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