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I wonder what the M2 Pro/Max scores will be. Will they finally break the 2000 single-core Geekbench threshold?
Probably not, if the M1 Pro/Max scores are any indication. The single core scores are about the same, but since they have more cores the multi core scores are higher.
 
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That's not quite accurate.

2018: +3% IPC (Zen+)

2019: +15% IPC (Zen2)

2020: +19% IPC (Zen3)

2022: +9% IPC (Zen4; AMD estimate)

On average, AMD is hitting closer to 10 - 11% per release, but note how some generations take a while to release (Zen4).

Officially, AMD's target beat the "industry-standard" 8-10% CAGR (which is IPC + clocks + memory combined).

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Apple A15 <-> A15 is only a 4-5% IPC increase, which is roughly a "Zen -> Zen+" improvement, e.g., small in IPC. But it has significantly better efficiency and still much higher clocks, so for mobile & laptops, that's a significant improvement.
Thanks for the figures, taking out zen+ yields the result I was referring to. I think it does further illustrate that the gains are not quite as miraculous as the original commenter believed.
 
It’s most definitely going to be worse. The M2 is physically larger, has more transistors and is clocked higher, whilst using the same 5NM process as M1 series.
Not necessarily. From AnandTech,

The performance cores on the A15 are clocked much faster (+8.1%) the A14 performance cores while using significantly less energy (-13.9%).


Apple A14 Big CoreApple A15 Big Core% Change
SPECint2017 (integer)6.477.28+12.5%
SPECfp2017 (floating point)8.9510.15+13.5%
Clock Speed2.998 GHz3.240 GHz+8.1%
Energy Consumed (total)15,52413,371 joules-13.9%

Apple confirmed it is not the same 5nm process, so most have assumed it is the N5P node.

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The speakers were a big upgrade for me going to the 14" as well. It's simply amazing the kind of sound they are able to put out. No other laptop comes close, none of the pc laptops with audio brands slapped on them even compare to the regular 13"!
Thank you for the tip. I will appreciate a better speaker. It is nicer when you don’t have to use Airpods. I don’t understand anything about audio tech, however, my friend’s who have fancy/gaming PC laptops do not sound half as good as my current 16” i7 MBP.
 
Tbh it’s a little disappointing. There was so much hype for the m1 that I was expecting to be blown away with the next generation. The m2 is just meh in comparison.
Look on the bright side. You know you don't have any real problems when a new processor release "disappoints" you.
 
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News: M2 is faster than M1.
Mac Users: Wow, that's impressive.
PC/Windows Users: Wow, that's impressive.
Linux Users: Wow, that's impressive.
Nearly everyone: Wow, that's impressive.

Someone on Twitter: Well, if it's so impressive, why didn't they make any software or features that will take full advantage of it? I'm waiting for "M7" before I switch from Intel.

...and that one MR forum contributor we all know and love: Apple did this on purpose to make the M1 obsolete and so people will be forced to buy a newer machine. Apple was clearly holding this back so the sheep would be forced to buy M1 Pro, Max, and Ultra and drain out their inventories while M2 was clearly already available to go before they launched it. I wish they would just release M3 already. I see what you're up to Apple and nobody is convinced!
 
Are you saying Alder Lake doesn't work as intended on Linux or other operating systems?

I highly doubt that. Kernels have long been made aware of the potential hardware they would be running on since before I even began computing as a career.

macOS, iOS, Windows, Android... All have hardware profiles. What is it about Alder Lake that's somehow different?
MacOS has specific coding about efficiency and performance cores. Apple has built it into the OS in order to enhance battery life.

Windows on the other hand did not have such enhancement as Intel and AMD released CPUs with all performance codes or rather single cores.

Alder Lake changed that, so in order for Intel to reach their claims, they had Microsoft code specifically for alder lake so that Windows takes the enhancements of the new chips. As a result, AMDs CPUs performed terrible initially when these enhancements were tested in a Alder Lake v Ryzen. Now I believe there was a patch released and AMDs Ryzen is once again walloping Intel.
 
To som degree, generation enhancements is engineering limited but it is at least equally driven by marketing and the aim for the producers to sell a computer every 3-5 years with a significant boost in performance.
 
It looks like the majority of the target audience for Airs are better off with the original Air. They won’t benefit much from the M2 since single core performance is what really matters for them, and that’s only 12% faster, but you need at least a 20% increase to see a real world difference.
That’s probably why they made it in the midnight color. I love that so much I’d buy it if it were 20% SLOWER. 😝
 
Not necessarily. From AnandTech,

The performance cores on the A15 are clocked much faster (+8.1%) the A14 performance cores while using significantly less energy (-13.9%).

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The M2 is not using less energy. It is using significantly more. Look at the comparison graphs between M1 and M2. Idling the M2 is using on the CPU front at least 1W extra. On the GPU side it's around 4W.

That's a 5W increase in idle.
 
On paper, that's nearly double the Geekbench performance of my i5. I won't even start to shop until Macs are at least double what I own.

I hope the rumored M2 Mini outperforms that. Because the M1 Mini is really just shy of those initial benchmarks.
 
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On paper, that's nearly double the Geekbench performance of my i5. I won't even start to shop until Macs are at least double what I own.

I hope the rumored M2 Mini outperforms that. Because the M1 Mini is really just shy of those initial benchmarks.
What was tested was a 13" MBP, which has the same thermals as a Mini. You won't see anything better.
 
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What was tested was a 13" MBP, which has the same thermals as a Mini. You won't see anything better.
Good to know.

Here's the GB metrics I have in my notes:
2018 Intel i5. Single core: 1009 multi: 4534
2020 Mini M1. Single core: 1,712 multi: 7429
2022 M2. Single core: 1919 multi: 8928
 
I think I can get several more years out of my Mini. I run an eGpu so those numbers don't tell the whole story. i5 will be supported under Ventura, so in four years, who knows what will be available for me.
 
My daughter needs a new MacBook Air to replace her struggling Intel model. And since she’s already got a case that fits the wedge-shaped ones, I guess I’ll have to give her my M1 MBA and I’ll just have to replace it with an M2 MBA for myself.

Hate when that happens. 😁

I can imaging her face when she sees this comment
 
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Seems like the gains are largely (9% of the 11.6%) GHz related though? That’s great, but suggests little structural improvement in the cores themselves? I ask as it would indicate that further improvements would rely on the 3 nm process to manage power consumption?

Now yo know why there is no Mac Pro... They are having issues beating themselves.
 
TSMC didn't do anything this year. Apple is still using the N5P node. Same as last year and same as A15.

Wrong. Only TSMC N5 was available in 2020 when MBA and MBP M1 were released. N5P came in 2021.

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/apple/mx/m1

"Fabricated on TSMCs N5 EUV process, the M1 integrates 16 billion transistors. Featuring four ‘big’ high-performance cores called "Firestorm" and four ‘LITTLE’ efficiency cores called "Icestorm"."

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/5_nm_lithography_process#N5

"TSMC started mass production of its 5-nanometer N5 node in April 2020. TSMC considers its 5-nanometer node a full node shrink over its 7-nanometer process. In early 2021 TSMC plans on introducing a second version of its N5 process called N5P which provides additional performance enhancements."
 
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