Leaked Benchmarks Suggest iPhone XS Outperforms Samsung's Upcoming Galaxy S10+

[simonmet]

At this point we can pretty much stop counting FLOPS. I like a fast and fluid phone as much as the next person but I don’t need a MacBook Pro or supercomputer in my pocket, especially one limited by iOS. Apple needs to focus on refining and updating iOS.

Take Mail for example; shake-to-undo is literally the most stupid UI control ever! I can’t compose anything more than short replies in Mail anymore because I find 3rd party apps far nicer to write in. Even the MacRumors compose window smashes text-entry in iOS. That’s kind of embarrassing for Apple.

 

[windywalks]

Samsung needs to switch to their own Exynos chips. I hear they are higher performance than the Snapdragon parts.

They stick with the Snapdragon parts because they need Qualcomm modems in the USA for VZW and Sprint. They don't have the nads to take on Qualcomm like Apple does.

The Exynos in the current Galaxy S9 did not outperform the Snapdragon version, quite contrary, it was a fair bit slower.

 

[ROGmaster]

I still haven't actually seen an A11 chip be throttled, and Apple has stated that it will be significantly less on them than past models due to design improvements, unless you can find one we really don't what kind of hit the X/8 will take after a degraded battery. It certainly won't be as bad as the 6/6S

I made a thread trying to find one, but couldn't at the time.

You didn't understand what he was saying.
Sustained performance on the A11 is quite bad. The CPU and GPU throttle up to 40% is intensive tasks.

 

[0388631]

Sustained performance in any mobile processor is bad. Desktops processors can handle it provided they're at stock or even a stable OC. Passive cooling or a small amount of coolant in a small loop for a mobile device simply isn't enough to prevent throttling.

 

[dilbert99]

We might always be hating on Apple and lack of decent upgrades to iPhone/Mac, but we damn well know that Samsung can never touch us.

Us?

 

[WatchFromAfar]

The Exynos in the current Galaxy S9 did not outperform the Snapdragon version, quite contrary, it was a fair bit slower.

Why take pride in this? Aren't Apple the company who (previously) don't compete on specs?

 

[Jsameds]

Funny how Apple fanatics are all about the tech specs when it suits them.

These aren’t tech specs they’re performance benchmarks.

Tech specs would be:
Apple A12 Bionic you CPU 2.49 GHz hexa-core 64-bit

 

[dilbert99]

Samsung is facing the same problem in mobile as Apple is on the desktop: their OEM's chip performance is lagging, which limits your ability to do anything.

Yeah, you can't do anything on the latest crop of phones...

 

[ROGmaster]

Only in Geekbench. The SD 845 and the Exynos 9810 are about the same, with the Exynos edging out the SnapDragon in GeekBench benchmarks, while failing miserably in other test benchmarks. The new SnapDragon 855 is marginally faster than the SnapDragon 845. I very much doubt the upcoming Exynos 9820 can even grasp Apple's A12 tails, let alone some of their older SoCs.
And I say this as an Android fan.

The S855 is 35-45% faster than the S845.
The GPU is also 20% faster while consuming less power.
Sustained performance(which was already great with the 845)should also be improved.
AI on the S855(which even has a Tensor accelerator) is also 2 to 3 times faster than on the S845.

The S855 will do great in 2019. Its fast and efficient and has a great GPU, those are the most important things.
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Even if they were equal, would there be something to use that power? A lot of people point to iPhone having a video rendering app that goes super fast. Does Android have one of those sort of pointless show off apps?

Yes.
I'll leave this clip here maybe people here will finally learn something.

 

[JordanNZ]

What's not mentioned in the article is that the S10's graphics chip significantly outperforms the iPhone's. The Qualcomm 855 is more than capable of running Android 9 as smooth as iOS on the iPhone, but gaming, AR and VR performance will be dramatically higher than on the iPhone. Not that any of this really matters as last year's flagship devices all perform lag free already. Nobody will notice a 2% performance difference at that level.

But if it gives the iPhone fanatics satisfaction, keep believing what you want. I much rather have a capable voice assistant than a imperceptible power advantage.
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You do know that the Apple Watch runs on Qualcomm chips, right?

It does not outperform the A12 in GPU performance... Sustained or otherwise.
Have a look at the Anandtech dive into the SOC.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13786/snapdragon-855-performance-preview/5

 

[ROGmaster]

It does not outperform the A12 in GPU performance... Sustained or otherwise.
Have a look at the Anandtech dive into the SOC.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13786/snapdragon-855-performance-preview/5

Anandtech tested a reference Qualcomm device.
Real phones will perform better. For example the OP 6 and 6T score better in every metric in comparison to Qualcomm's reference 845 device.

 

[0388631]

The S855 is 35-45% faster than the S845.
The GPU is also 20% faster while consuming less power.
Sustained performance(which was already great with the 845)should also be improved.
AI on the S855(which even has a Tensor accelerator) is also 2 to 3 times faster than on the S845.

The S855 will do great in 2019. Its fast and efficient and has a great GPU, those are the most important things.

Where did you get those values from? Theory values from months ago or the latest benchmark articles Anand and XDA released? The current take by many is that the 855 didn't live up to what people expected Qualcomm to do. In the greater scheme of things, the improvement leaves little real world difference outside of synthetic benchmarks.


I'll hang on to my S9 and wait for the S11 or S12.
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Anandtech tested a reference Qualcomm device.
Real phones will perform better. For example the OP 6 and 6T score better in every metric in comparison to Qualcomm's reference 845 device.

Source?

 

[JordanNZ]

Where did you get those values from? Theory values from months ago or the latest benchmark articles Anand and XDA released? The current take by many is that the 855 didn't live up to what people expected Qualcomm to do. In the greater scheme of things, the improvement leaves little real world difference outside of synthetic benchmarks.


I'll hand on to my S9 and wait for the S11 or S12.
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Source?

He's speculating.... So huge grain of salt.

 

[The Game 161]

Doesn’t even matter. Samsung has other ways to differentiate their products than Apple does. For instance, Samsung Pay is so much more better than Apple Pay.

Based on?

 

[0388631]

He's speculating.... So huge grain of salt.

I figured. His figures made my eyes bulge thinking there was a new report out in the last 24 hours. I'm sure the 855 is great, but Qualcomm can do better. They have no real incentive to go after Apple and make something as great as the A12.

 

[ROGmaster]

Where did you get those values from? Theory values from months ago or the latest benchmark articles Anand and XDA released? The current take by many is that the 855 didn't live up to what people expected Qualcomm to do. In the greater scheme of things, the improvement leaves little real world difference outside of synthetic benchmarks.

What Anandtech review did you read? because on Anandtech they show even bigger improvements in performance in certain workloads than the ones quoted by Qualcomm:

In SPECint2006, the Snapdragon 855 performs 51% better than the Snapdragon 845, all while improving power efficiency by 39% over its predecessor. Against the Kirin 980 which is currently its nearest Android competitor, the Snapdragon just slightly edges ahead by 4%.

In SPECfp2006, the Snapdragon 855 shows an even bigger 61% leap over the Snapdragon 845, and also manages to better showcase the 9% clock speed advantage over the Kirin 980, sporting a similar performance lead.

Also here's is the conclusion from XDA regarding S855's performace.

• Qualcomm claims a 45% improvement in CPU performance. Certainly, the jump to ARM Cortex-A76-based cores should yield a substantial performance bump. The 48% and 35% improvements in GeekBench single-core and multi-core scores respectively are impressive, and since most workloads benefit from improvements to single core performance, we’ll give Qualcomm the win here.
• Just as Qualcomm claimed, the Adreno 640 GPU in the Qualcomm Snapdragon 855 offers about a 20% jump in performance over the Adreno 630 GPU in the Qualcomm Snapdragon 845. (See: 3DMark and GFXBench results sans the outdated T-Rex test.)

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Source?

The reference S845 scored lower in Geekbench in comparison to real phones.
Something like 2300-2450 Single Core and 8300-8400 while real phones like the OP6, Poco F1, Mi8, etc score +2400 Single Socore and +9000 multicore score. Scores are better in Atutu as well in comparison to Qualcomm's referance designs.

 

[Winni]

We might always be hating on Apple and lack of decent upgrades to iPhone/Mac, but we damn well know that Samsung can never touch us.

Except for dialing an emergency phone number, it is highly unlikely that either using an Apple smartphone or using a Samsung smartphone will ever leave a dent in the universe. It doesn't really matter which frying pan you use to fry your eggs...

And, just for the record, almost every phone that this Chinese company called Xioami sells offers much more bang for the buck than anything Samsung or Apple have in their portfolio. There haven't been any real innovations in the smartphone market in the last six years or so. This market niche has matured and it is highly saturated: It has become as boring as the desktop and mobile computer market.

 

[0388631]

Something like 2300-2450 Single Core and 8300-8400 while real phones like the OP6, Poco F1, Mi8, etc score +2400 Single Socore and +9000 multicore score. Scores are better in Atutu as well in comparison to Qualcomm's referance designs.

Those jumps are great, but the majority of those phones aren't offered by carriers. You're blurring the line between enthusiast Android users and regular Android phone owners. I am aware of TMO carrying the OP 6T. The rest of the phones need to be sought after and purchased unlocked, then activated onto a supporting network. That's too many steps for the average consumer.
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What Anandtech review did you read? because on Anandtech they show even bigger improvements in performance in certain workloads than the ones quoted by Qualcomm:

Also here's is the conclusion from XDA regarding S855's performace.


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The SPECint scores are great, but at the end of the day these are synthetic benchmarks and not indicative of real world use. Hence the advice to take benchmarks with a grain of salt. If the tables were switched and Apple ran QC hardware, their iPhone would still be faster than any Android handset utilizing the A12 SoC. Brute force is only great for so much before the RoI declines due to badly optimized software and or operating system. QC uses reference designs they build upon. Apple's is from scratch made to their own spec and design. Paired with a very refined OS to that SoC and other hardware for tight integration.

Look, I love Android. I prefer Android. But I won't deny that Apple's A series SoC smokes whatever QC could ever come up with.

 

[FreshBoy]

Correct me if I'm wrong but was there not an article on this site before showing how an iPhone with a lower benchmark score than the equivalent Samsung S series phone was still quicker in "real world" usage due to Apple being in control of both its hardware and software which led to a smoother experience? Maybe Android has closed the gap but Samsung is releasing a phone that is technically slower than a device that has been on the market for four months.

 

[ROGmaster]

Those jumps are great, but the majority of those phones aren't offered by carriers. You're blurring the line between enthusiast Android users and regular Android phone owners. I am aware of TMO carrying the OP 6T. The rest of the phones need to be sought after and purchased unlocked, then activated onto a supporting network. That's too many steps for the average consumer.

OK so because I was able to back up the numbers I quoted now you go on an talk about something else. Funny.

The SPECint scores are great, but at the end of the day these are synthetic benchmarks and not indicative of real world use.Hence the advice to take benchmarks with a grain of salt.

Yeah it's all synthetic benchmarks and we've hardly seen any noteworthy differences in real world use for years anyway.
That doesn't mean those numbers are not accurate.
And I'm personally more excited about the tech the S855 supports and real world better efficiency than the benchmark scores it outputs.

 

[Romeo_Nightfall]

Ugly?
View attachment 816104
So this is prettier?

that shows the problems apple is constantly, yearly creating with their new screen sizes. they made this ios programming a constant bounty hunt. disgusting strategy from a company once known for sustainable solutions to problems

 

[0388631]

OK so because I was able to back up the numbers I quoted now you go on an talk about something else. Funny.

No, it's the truth. You would have been better off saying "The best performance would be seen with Google One devices since they use practically stock Android without any bloat." That would have been fine. People will probably find those sooner than having to dig through BH's listings to order a carrier unlocked model. That and there's rumors of Google getting Google One phones into carriers without carrier bloat, too.

Yeah it's all synthetic benchmarks and we've hardly seen any noteworthy differences in real world use for years anyway.

You say one thing and then make a sweeping statement. Funny.

 

[HacKage]

Those jumps are great, but the majority of those phones aren't offered by carriers. You're blurring the line between enthusiast Android users and regular Android phone owners. I am aware of TMO carrying the OP 6T. The rest of the phones need to be sought after and purchased unlocked, then activated onto a supporting network. That's too many steps for the average consumer.
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The SPECint scores are great, but at the end of the day these are synthetic benchmarks and not indicative of real world use. Hence the advice to take benchmarks with a grain of salt. If the tables were switched and Apple ran QC hardware, their iPhone would still be faster than any Android handset utilizing the A12 SoC. Brute force is only great for so much before the RoI declines due to badly optimized software and or operating system. QC uses reference designs they build upon. Apple's is from scratch made to their own spec and design. Paired with a very refined OS to that SoC and other hardware for tight integration.

Look, I love Android. I prefer Android. But I won't deny that Apple's A series SoC smokes whatever QC could ever come up with.

In the US. The vast majority of the smaller brands business comes from outside the US. Here in the UK, Huawei is a very popular brand, and the second largest manufacturer in the world. Almost unknown in the US though.

 

[0388631]

that shows the problems apple is constantly, yearly creating with their new screen sizes. they made this ios programming a constant bounty hunt. disgusting strategy from a company once known for sustainable solutions to problems

It has nothing to do with screen size. Would have preferred a large forehead and no chin?
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In the US. The vast majority of the smaller brands business comes from outside the US. Here in the UK, Huawei is a very popular brand, and the second largest manufacturer in the world. Almost unknown in the US though.

The US is a large market of Androids and iPhones. Huawei is known, but mostly in the enthusiast crowd. I was surprised when TMO (subsidiary of Deutsche Telekom) offered the OP 6T. They also now offer the Samsung A6 as a 'budget' phone, too.

I believe my carrier, Verizon, offers the most choices followed by ATT. The landscape is dominated by Apple, Samsung and LG these days. I took a look at the Google One phones earlier today and they offer a lot of choice. Couldn't find specs and prices on their site and couldn't be bothered to look up each individual phone up, but those are good choices and they're supposed to work on any GSM or CDMA/GSM hybrid network.

 

[aevan]

Too bad iPhone loses to what really matters besides a paper benchmark.

Yup, it is really only better in design, speed, color accuracy, app store and app quality, reliability, OS updates, ecosystem, and feel. But everything else - yeah.