Leaked Benchmarks Suggest iPhone XS Outperforms Samsung's Upcoming Galaxy S10+

[0388631]

But you are working on the assumption Apple is going to do it better... why? they can a do sub-standerd job just like every-one-else

Apple controls the hardware components in their phone. They can tightly integrate Android to their liking. Android in itself is a large product that's supposed to adapt to a wide variety of phones. Which has causes teething pains over the years. OEMs place their own overlay software onto Android. Carriers are second in line to add their own crap. Apple wouldn't deal with the first issue because they can tune their hardware to Android. Apple gets to dictate to carriers what they can do. Google or OEMs don't have that bargaining power over carriers. At least not in the US. The only way around it is to buy an unlocked phone that isn't carrier branded, and even then the phone may not place nice even if it's sold by the carrier as a branded phone.

For what it's worth, Apple was working on Intel processors years before they announced they were moving from PowerPC to Intel processors. Here's an old MacRumors blog post on it. You can find full length articles on it through that post.

https://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/10/a-bit-of-history-behind-the-mac-os-x-on-intel-project-marklar/


I'm incredibly confident Apple has their very own internal Skunkworks lab that very few employees know about and very few upper management. It would not be surprising if Apple is working on bringing ARMs meant for high end desktop use in the years to come. I don't agree with 2020-2022 reports, but at the tailend of the decade, sure.
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That's exactly my point, it's only known to the "enthusiast crowd" as you put it. In the UK and Europe, the low cost Xiaomi and Huawei phones are used by far far more than enthusiasts. The main carriers like o2 and EE (TMO) offer OnePlus, Huawei, all the Sony handsets, Nokia, LG, Moto etc etc. There aren't many brands that aren't covered by the carriers. Lower cost brands that the vast majority of people have ever heard of are offered here. The majority of handsets that are sold in the UK fall in the £150-400 bracket, which Samsung have many options, along with all the other brands I just mentioned. I work in selling replacement phone parts to repair shops across the UK and Europe, so I have a rough idea of which phones are popular at any given time.

The US phone market and carrier setup is a mess. The plans offered are extortionate, companies like AT&T straight up lying about 5G etc, coverage is embarrassingly poor in places. It's no wonder that a lot of companies don't bother to market in the states.

Yeah. Pretty much. I believe Talk Talk is also TMO? Nokia isn't offered by carriers, and if they are I haven't noticed them. But at least three Nokia models are up for sale on the Google One page. The other brands are also offered. Prior to TMO taking up OP, you could order from OP or a third party seller. I think some people got spooked by their credit card breach last year in Q1 18. I take several trips to western Europe each year for business and I believe what you're telling me. iPhones are popular, but the majority of people use Android powered devices, and often cooler ones for the mid or low range than what we get here. Though the J7 series of phones have been stellar for a midrange over the years. Can't say I've see Sony here.

Yes, the only carriers I like are Verizon and TMobile, though I don't use the latter. Both offer a decent 'unlimited' plan plus an addon option to take on 720p or 1080p streaming. Generally the prices are much more than Europe. There's some phenomenal plans in the UK for under 30 quid.

 

[ROGmaster]

Feel free to go through my posts where I've stated multiple times I prefer and use Android. The only Apple products I personally own are a MBP (the late 2016/early 2017 update revision) and a few iPads over the years. I used to use iPods. I've got a few that work. Outside of those, I don't own any other Apple products. It isn't "Apple Fan" mode when you understand the A processors are generally better in benches and real world use.

Interesting so now you try to use reverse psychology to motivate your obvious bias.
The fact that you've thrown away any king of balance argument should be ignored, you are supposedly right because you arguably said you prefer Android. Good one.

Except an older A series processor handles modern apps well compared to older SD processors of similar time frame. Though iOS 12 changed how older phones work in terms of processor ramping. This is also why an older iPhone is still fairly usable. I wish I could say the same about my old S5 or S6, even loaded up with stock Android.

Snapdragon SOCs also handle modern apps very well. Especially apps that need an internet connection work stupendous on Snapdragon SOCs.

Generally benches are better on Apple because of the tight integration between hardware and OS. The reality is they perform the same apps better IRL.

Yeah "tight integration", I was wondering when will you bring up this anecdotal justification for your sketchy claims.

Each hardware iteration is going to be better than what it replaces. That's the sole goal of any hardware manufacturer. The crux of the matter is whether those features and raw speed can be unified and integrated by Android and third-party OEMs that offer their own flavor (unless Google One), without impacting performance over time. Or simply not offering those options. And chances are whatever Apple comes out will be better, especially in gaming.

There is no Google One, It's called Android One and I also own an Android One phones. Performance has gotten better in time.
That general absolute: impacted performance over time is nothing more than a classical stereotyped response that I've never seen anybody able to justify.

 

[0388631]

Interesting so now you try to use reverse psychology to motivate your obvious bias.
The fact that you've thrown away any king of balance argument should be ignored, you are supposedly right because you arguably said you prefer Android. Good one.

That isn't reverse psychology. You're also thinking of semblance of argument. You called me a Mac fan, I offered you the chance to go through my posts and confirm I do like Android and prefer it. If you don't take me on that offer you're effectively calling me a troll.
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Snapdragon SOCs also handle modern apps very well. Especially apps that need an internet connection work stupendous on Snapdragon SOCs.

Say that to my old rooted Samsungs.

Yeah "tight integration", I was wondering when will you bring up this anecdotal justification for your sketchy claims.

If you design a mobile OS around an ARM SoC you designed on what's effectively an open budget, do you not think you'd have a leg up not he competition that uses reference ARM designs? QC tried their hand at custom and failed.
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There is no Google One, It's called Android One and I also own an Android One phones. Performance has gotten better in time.

Android One Google One, you know what I'm referencing. Performance has gotten better over time? They offer a multitude of phones running stock Pie with a OEM app or two at most.

That general absolute: impacted performance over time is nothing more than a classical stereotyped response that I've never seen anybody able to justify.

You're using stereotyped incorrectly. You clearly mean "biased response." Androids slow down overtime, a factory reset can address this issue. But it isn't something you should have to do more than once a year. The second issue is that Android is made for a multitude of phones. Granted there's Android Go Edition now for lower spec phones. Installing the latest stock Android and older Samsung or other flagship from another OEM can take doesn't offer the snappiness an old iPhone is capable of.

I'm willing to admit that Android isn't as good iOS over the long term. I've gotten a new Galaxy S almost every year since I first came across them. It's great for 2 years, sometimes 3. But that's rare.

 

[The Game 161]

S10 Plus

 

[ROGmaster]

That isn't reverse psychology. You're also thinking of semblance of argument. You called me a Mac fan, I offered you the chance to go through my posts and confirm I do like Android and prefer it. If you don't take me on that offer you're effectively calling me a troll.

It is you are trying to bring legitimacy to you sketchy claims by saying you are actually an Android fan.
Anyway I'm obviously looking at what you are writing now and I see enough.
Going to your old posts is simply pointless, and it's doesn't change the perspective on what you currently wrote.

Say that to my old rooted Samsungs.

Well 8.1 works really well on the last Note 4 I rooted, much better than with the original OS.

If you design a mobile OS around an ARM SoC you designed on what's effectively an open budget, do you not think you'd have a leg up not he competition that uses reference ARM designs? QC tried their hand at custom and failed.

Android is actually designed around ARM SOCs.
You are making way to many extrapolations because you lack real arguments.

Quacomm didn't fail at making custom ARM chips. Their Snapdragon 800 and previous generations were successful and their custom Adreno GPU is also top of the line. Their move to more standard ARM Cortex design is very easy to justify: Lower development costs. Building an entirely custom CPU is costly and Qualcomm has to sell their SOC and make a profit from it.

 

[tito2020]

"Touch us" Who are you some kind of elite for owning an iPhone?

Actually the Galaxy S7 out performs the iPhone x

 

[0388631]

It is you are trying to bring legitimacy to you sketchy claims by saying you are actually an Android fan.
Anyway I'm obviously looking at what you are writing now and I see enough.
Going to your old posts is simply pointless, and it's doesn't change the perspective on what you currently wrote.

Whatever buddy. I'm done with you. I offered you a chance to be the bigger man and admit fault. Guess it's too hard.

 

[ROGmaster]

Android One Google One, you know what I'm referencing. Performance has gotten better over time? They offer a multitude of phones running stock Pie with a OEM app or two at most.

Yes performance has gotten better over time.
The phone came with Android 7 and now it's at Android 9 and without a single hard reset. It's called the Mi A1.

 

[0388631]

Well 8.1 works really well on the last Note 4 I rooted, much better than with the original OS.

That's nice for you. I generally wasn't impressed with how stock Android performed on older Galaxy Ss I owned. Though if memory serves me correct, there was a leap in performance in a rooted S3 plus a new battery; a stock Samsung OEM battery I managed to track down through a user on another forum.

Since you're civil here, my big complaint about Androids have been the closed off battery. I don't care about water damage because it's not too difficult to design a water tight package around a battery enclosure or so I've read over the years, but it isn't cost effectively for R&D and Amazon selling a new device. Also why OEMs fail to offer battery replacements after X period of time over Apple, though Apple may go down this path too after the blistering 10M changes over 1-2M changes annually.

Give me a stainless steel back. None of this glass stuff. I use a case. I couldn't care less about shiny glass or the color of the phone's body.

 

[ROGmaster]

Whatever buddy. I'm done with you. I offered you a chance to be the bigger man and admit fault. Guess it's too hard.

Sure you are right because you claim to be "an Android fan". Good one.
And whta's a Galaxy Ss?

 

[DNichter]

I’m not sure why anyone would be surprised by this. No other company comes close to Apple’s silicon team.

 

[0388631]

Android is actually designed around ARM SOCs.
You are making way to many extrapolations because you lack real arguments.

You're not using extrapolations correctly. ARM is a base architecture. The SnapDragon SoC built by Qualcomm are based on ARM reference designs developed by Arm Holdings. Even the Kirin processor uses a reference design by Arm Holdings. The Apple A SOCs were at one time derived on reference over a decade ago. However, since then Apple has licensed the ARM architecture, but not reference designs. Apple designs their own SoC based on the ARM architecture. They don't use reference designs. This and many other products and services are why Apple spent nearly $10.5B in R&D in 2016. Qualcomm spent less than half for all of 2016. Huawei spends more than Apple each year, but Huawei is a large company that develops products for a lot of industries.

 

[Lankyman]

Not a surprise, Apple's been ahead in the chip game since the 5S.

But apart from 'nerds' does anyone really care about these scores anymore, did the average user ever care?

 

[0388631]

And whta's a Galaxy Ss?

Galaxy Ss, you don't use an apostrophe for multiples. If you wanted to be specific you'd say "The Galaxy S II's Touchwiz was mildly better than the Galaxy S's Touchwiz, but still offered the same buggy experience that often made the Galaxy S and succeeding Galaxy S II slow."


Example: Galaxy S that kicked off the series with the infamous Touchwiz. Galaxy S II, Galaxy S III, etc.

And before you question "succeeding" don't make me explain adjectives and verbs to you.

 

[ROGmaster]

Galaxy Ss, you don't use an apostrophe for multiples. If you wanted to be specific you'd say "The Galaxy S II's Touchwiz was mildly better than the Galaxy S's Touchwiz, but still offered the same buggy experience that often made the Galaxy S and succeeding Galaxy S II slow."

Example: Galaxy S that kicked off the series with the infamous Touchwiz. Galaxy S II, Galaxy S III, etc.

And before you question "succeeding" don't make me explain adjectives and verbs to you.

Galaxy S? LoL
I thought you meant Galaxy S3 although that's also an ancient phone.
I just wasn't expecting for somebody to lecture me about how bad Android is based on his experience with Galaxy S.

 

[0388631]

Galaxy S? LoL
I thought you meant Galaxy S3 although that's also an ancient phone.
I just wasn't expecting for somebody to lecture me about how bad Android is based on his experience with Galaxy S.

Galaxy Ss. I'm not sure if you're being obtuse on purpose. I've bought in on nearly every Galaxy S line of phone.

The Galaxy S3 was an example of some improvement when switching to a stock Android and a new battery. The rest of the Galaxy S phone lineup has behaved the same past year two with a few factory rests that wipe the device clean of everything.

 

[ROGmaster]

You're not using extrapolations correctly. ARM is a base architecture. The SnapDragon SoC built by Qualcomm are based on ARM reference designs developed by Arm Holdings. Even the Kirin processor uses a reference design by Arm Holdings. The Apple A SOCs were at one time derived on reference over a decade ago. However, since then Apple has licensed the ARM architecture, but not reference designs. Apple designs their own SoC based on the ARM architecture. They don't use reference designs. This and many other products and services are why Apple spent nearly $10.5B in R&D in 2016. Qualcomm spent less than half for all of 2016. Huawei spends more than Apple each year, but Huawei is a large company that develops products for a lot of industries.

Well you are constantly trying to draw conclusions by making exaggerated estimations about everything. Which is something I never did in my comments.
Also only the CPU component from Qualcomm's SOC is built on ARM's reference Core Architecture, the rest of the SOC has custom top of the line components.

 

[0388631]

Well you are constantly trying to draw conclusions by making exaggerated estimations about everything. Which is something I never did in my comments.
Also only the CPU component from Qualcomm's SOC is built on ARM's reference Core Architecture, the rest of the SOC has custom top of the line components.

It's a reference design. It's mostly licensed. Qualcomm is the defacto leader in mobile radios and modems. The rest of your post is a feeble attempt to lure me into attacking you so you can report me because you know you holding up benchmark results mean jack.

iPhone and iOS are simply better now and will be 2-3 years from now when the 855 struggles with a newer Android and more demanding apps where Apple products won't get much of a hit.

 

[lewchenko]

Samsung needs to switch to their own Exynos chips. I hear they are higher performance than the Snapdragon parts.

They stick with the Snapdragon parts because they need Qualcomm modems in the USA for VZW and Sprint. They don't have the nads to take on Qualcomm like Apple does.

You heard wrong for their last chip.

Anandtech did a full work up of the Exynos vs snapdragon in the international and US S9 /S9 Plus range and found serious task and memory management issues which meant the snapdragons were the chips to own.

Prior to this , you were correct.

Would wait to see if Samsung have fixed this years exynos chip.

 

[Jakewilk]

Is Civ 6 on Android?

Not yet

 

[BlargKing]

At this point, who cares? My phone has a Snapdragon 636 and I haven't had a single issue or slowdown. Its just to check some box that says "we've got the fastest CPU".

Personally I'll take the phones that don't have the horribly locked down OS.

 

[ROGmaster]

It's a reference design. It's mostly licensed. Qualcomm is the defacto leader in mobile radios and modems.

The overall SOC is no a reference design man, only the CPU component, that's it. And even the CPU cores are customized by Quacomm, they are not entirely off the shelf ARM designs.
This is how a Snapdragon SOC looks:

The rest of your post is a feeble attempt to lure me into attacking you so you can report me because you know you holding up benchmark results mean jack.

What? The part where I say that the rest of the SOC components(like the DSP, GPU, Modem, ISP, Wifi, Location, Bluetooth chips etc) are top of the line?
Why would you attack me for that? Because it's true?

iPhone and iOS are simply better now and will be 2-3 years from now when the 855 struggles with a newer Android and more demanding apps where Apple products won't get much of a hit.

So S855 will struggle on Android phones, thanks for spreading with us your crystal ball wisdom.
It's interesting how Android 9 runs better on Snadragon 625( a 2016 midrange SOC) that Android 7. How could that be possible? I have to buy one of those special crystal balls.

 

[1bcoolrob]

Ugly?
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So this is prettier?

Ugly?
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So this is prettier?

I guess your are a little salty

 

[recoil80]

I dont know about credit but Apple for sure compensate its silicon team quite well in order to achieve such results. Give these young engineers 500k$+ per year and they will not get out of their labs for weeks or months if needed. I would have been more happy if the battery team followed the same work pattern and results.

I don't blame the engineering team for battery life, if you look at how many mAh there are on an iPhone they do a good job.
The phones are simply too thin and can't have a bigger battery, so Apple's design team is compromising on battery life for the sake of a nicer look.
I've always been advocating for a thicker device, without the camera bulge, in order to have more room for components inside, like a bigger battery.

 

[jamezr]

Samsung is planning to announce its new 2019 flagship smartphones on February 20, but ahead of their debut date, benchmarks of the new S10+ model were shared on Slashleaks.

Benchmarks are one of the most useless metrics around. They usually translate to a second of actual difference.
So when using your phone....you will not notice the difference at all. This applies not matter which phone or platform benchmarks higher.