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You do realize that all laws at the end of the day are enforced through the threat for force. Yes there are financial punishments, but if one doesn’t abide? Look, I realize I’m being hyperbolic. But folks just don’t care about things as long as it “sounds good” for them. No principle or thinking if it’s right to do or not. As long as it satisfies them in the short term, they good.
What do you mean if one doesn’t abide? The government contacts your bank, freezing or seizing your assets. You get no say and have no control. Do you imagine that Apple’s hundreds of billions of dollars in ‘cash on hand’ is literally in the form of paper cash in a basement vault at the Cupertino headquarters? No, just like most of everyone else’s cash and assets, it’s primarily digital. If governments can seize Russia’s money without firing a shot, I think governments would have have no problem doing the same with Apple’s cash. Not much of a different situation with Apple’s physical product. It comes from China, passes through customs, and the government could seize it there if they wanted to. Also, I’ve clearly laid out the principles involved here of my pro-regulation stance, quite apart from the simple desire of sideloading.

Yeah? How’s that working out for Ukraine? Ultimately, those sanctions are backed by the use of lethal force. Again, there is a monopoly on who is allowed to compel in this manner.
I would say rather well considering Ukraine was supposed to have folded within a week. Those sanctions are not backed by lethal force. The threat to other countries isn’t “if you don’t follow these sanctions we will bomb you.” The threat is “if you don’t follow these sanctions we’ll cut you off from the global financial system just like Russia.” The entire reason sanctions exist is as a way to exert power without needing physical force. This is basic. Governments have been using sanctions for a long time, including U.S. sanctions on Iran and North Korea. You don’t see us bombing countries for disobeying (which they do) those sanctions do you?

Riiiiight. Forcing one competitor to be just like the other makes for a compelling landscape for the consumer. What you’re describing is a potential monopoly which you would then turn to your precious central government to ‘solve’. Broken leg fallacy…
I’ve asked this question several times but still have yet to hear an answer. Sideloading is the only thing separating an iPhone and an Android???

You keep bringing up finances and banks. Tell me, what backs the US Dollar?
You mean other than the full faith and credit of the U.S. government? Nothing, it’s a fiat currency.

Nope. Guns and force still required to back the punishments you describe. All backed by force and only one side has a monopoly on being able to do that. Prove that statement false.
Nope, see above. I don’t need a gun to carryout my objectives when I have access to your assets. The objective here, should a company disobey this law, isn’t to send people to jail or shoot them. Neither of those are remedies available in this law. The remedy is collecting fines, a remedy that in no way requires guns. Governments basically have an invisible copy of everyone’s checkbook and can make a withdrawal from it whenever they like. Just because you refuse to acknowledge that doesn’t change that fact.
 
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The EU knows all American big techs have are network effects.

Otherwise they’re just Asian hardware resellers/customers.

When they’re not first movers they can’t even figure out how to push their services despite having gigantic budgets (it looks like Apple can’t afford some servers for AM so it doesn’t lag and crash)

Truth is Apple is a lifestyle and design company which issues enough software and OS to keep their network effects rolling.

If you take away the network effects and switch deterrences from those proprietary OS, apps and stores, you may as well buy the hardware directly from LG, Samsung… and cut the middle man.
 
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Or buying a Chevy and asking for a full powertrain warranty after a Ford engine swap.

Apple: We can allow side loading and self repair at unauthorized repair locations, but it will retroactively void your warranty, and if you are "leasing" a device on a plan, you are immediately required to pay the balance in full.

Seems like government officials time and resources would be better spent on controlling government spending and providing public services.
The iPhone is a general purpose device what they are trying to implement is you can download things from anywhere not just the app & iTunes Store. Plus your example is silly about swapping engines that’s a bit ill informed. the end of the day apple just want to keep their 30% cut it’s not about privacy or any of that other crap apple want to keep their revenue stream going.
 
I wonder if Apple will refuse to re-architect their OS just to satisfy EU-specific regulations and treat the 10% worldwide annual turnover fine as an EU-specific tax and just pass it on to EU customers? I'm guessing EU lawmakers would be less than pleased with that strategy though.
Minimum level of fines of 4% and up to 20% of total turnover according to DMA.
 
Basically the EU has just woken up that they lost the digital era to the US and is now scrambling to salvage something from it.
just more ill informed speech this is all about apple maintaining their 30% cut and not being given a choice where to download apps from. It’s funny how for example a movie on Amazon to rent is 3.49 but same movie on itunes is 4.49 but when you use an iOS device the rental on Amazon suddenly becomes the same price as iOS. That’s what the eu are trying to change why should you the Amazon price be raised because you are using iOS and that my friend is because of apple.
 
As time goes on my desire for sideloading and installing apps that Apple would never allow grows stronger so I have to say I support the EU lawmakers in this endeavour.
"I want Apple to do something" and "I think the EU should be able to force a private company to do what I want" are two very different things, and that's a line you should be more careful to cross.
 
If this is approved, Apple will have to be changing many things especially in iMessage.

If this is approved, people will be able to design really powerful apps for the iPad without Apple’s filters and artificial limitations, between many other things, instead of buying a 12.9 iphone without voice line.

Microsoft will be able to offer their xcloud, professional apps will have it easier to go to market, web browsers will be able to innovate and offer really different options, you’ll be able to use alexa instead of siri and so on.
 
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I hope Apple raises your developer fees to a flat $10000 per year.
Let's see how many developers will develop for iOS then and let us also see how Apple would fare with not many apps in the Appstore. If it goes down this path, it may end up like Windows Mobile.
 
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Maybe he’s not explaining it correctly but what I think he’s trying to say is once the App Store isn’t the exclusive place to get apps then some app developers will stop putting apps in the App Store. At that point you’ll be forced to go outside the App Store to get some apps you need. Right now you never need to go outside the App Store.
Apple could always go down on their knees and beg those developers to put their apps on the App Store. That will work, I guess.
 
I hope they split iOS into 2 branches.
One for EU and anyone else hell bent on cracking iOS open.
The other for everyone who enjoys security and privacy.
Let's see how quickly EU citizens (&MEPs!) vote with their installation choice.
There has to be some advantages to Brexit surely? ;)
Jesus, you must feel so lost and frightened using a Mac.
 
Wouldn't this affect innovation? Why would a company spend tons of money on R&D just to have to share their new tech or make sure it's compatible with competitors? I bet this would cause I large price increase, Canada did away with 3yr contracts as the consumers didn't like them and it resulted in more expensive rate plans and devices becoming more expensive so they ended up with higher monthly costs. In the end, it was a dumb move that negatively affected consumers.

I'm all for sideloading apps and just like others have mentioned having users see a warning and then use their passcode to install. Having to share innovative products like iMessage and FaceTime is anti-competitive, why would someone build a new feature when they can just wait for someone else to innovate it for them?

I could be wrong but I feel like the consumer will pay the price in the end with higher costs, like subscription services, device prices, and if Apple raises device prices for carriers your monthly rate plan cost goes up.
Interoperability does not mean they should share features or they should have feature parity. It just means that if I am on WhatsApp, I should have some means of discovering and communicating with people on other platforms, such as iMessages. This is similar to email. Users can use different clients all with different features, but they can communicate with each other. This means that at any time I do not like my client, I can uninstall it and install another client. So, if an Android guy with WhatsApp switches to iOS, he can decide to use iMessages and get all the message history from WhatsApp, maybe (I am reaching here, but that would be the best possible scenario as that will stop one from becoming locked into any one ecosystem).
 
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Every business that is being shaken down should just quit right? Like the bakery paying protection money to the local mob they may lose 30% every month but hey they still made 70% right?

No. This is why we have competition law. This is why there are movements all over the world (South Korea, The EU, specific states in America) all working to undo Apples anti-competitive one-store-only policy.

And thank goodness, we're winning for consumers everywhere.

EDIT:// Also I did want to speak more about this. You asked about us still releasing things on iOS. The 30% cut from Apple did actually make us stop supporting some older apps on iOS while we continued to support them on other platforms (Windows and macOS). That is simply because that 30% cut is the equivalent of several employees.

We also transitioned one app to be "free" but once launched asked you to login to an account which is paid for outside of the app. The problem is due to Apples rules we're not allowed to tell users any website address or have any buttons that leads them out of the app so that they can pay for the subscription the app requires on our own website. Similar to how Netflix can't do that either.

The double standard that Apple has here is quite frustrating because if we sold a physical good like Amazon or UberEats we don't have to give Apple a 30% cut. They get nothing and we can use our own payment system in the app, for instance from Stripe our preferred card processor. But because we provide a digital good somehow it's worth less than a physical good in Apples eyes. This is really ridiculous when we are still paying employees and paying for physical resources to backup what we deliver to consumers (we pay for servers and we have to buy software and computers to actually make the software we sell digitally).

So ya know, there's a lot going on here, the 30% cut is for us terrible. It's higher than sales tax and card processing fees combined and Apple provides very little value to us in exchange for that which is why as I said for some of our apps we abandoned them on the iOS platform and for other apps moved to subscriptions that are started from our own website.
More dev rubbish. "we're winning for consumers everywhere" LOL
Will you pass saving on? Or pocket the difference.
 
Yeah I understand the theory.

I'm just saying there is already sideloading and alternative app stores on Android... but hardly any developers do it. Android developers still overwhelmingly use the official Google Play Store and thus give Google their 15% or 30% cut.
Google will be affected by DMA as well, since it also has to allow other payment services.

I hardly can believe that finally I will be able to remove the bughole iMessage from my Phone. Maybe Signal takes over SMS and other messengers on my phone. I‘d like this.

Finally I will have a browser without page rendering errors.

And finally I will have e.g. browser updates including the engine after iOS version is no longer supported.
 
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I hope using the custom browser engine happens, Apple deliberately refuses to add some of the web standards, for my website "Fullscreen API" and "Media Source Extension" are necessary but unfortunately it's not supported in iOS safari.
 
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Basically the EU has just woken up that they lost the digital era to the US and is now scrambling to salvage something from it.
Exactly. Not to forget China. I have my doubts that this upcoming EU regulation will do any good. What do they really want to achieve? Most of their decisions are rather short sighted. Recall the initiative for the „one“ connector to be used with all smartphones (that did not come!). At that time, they wanted all devices having a micro-USB port! Imagine the millions of damaged hardware if this had become true. Micro-USB was the worst choice by far. They really should leave these decision with the tech companies. If you don’t like the Apple ecosystem, well, buy Android. There are so many competitors in the market. Nobody is forced to buy Apple.
 
Will the interoperability thing extend to streaming services?

Spotify is an app... and it's also a market. Seems like the Digital Markets Act would have something to say about their practices.

Could Spotify be forced to allow the Joe Rogan podcast to be available in other podcast apps?

Or could I stream an HBO show like Euphoria in the Amazon Prime app?

If the goal is to prevent being locked into particular ecosystems... streaming services are exactly that. They all have their content locked inside their own silos.

Let's break 'em all open then.

Oh... and maybe Apple could be forced to allow Airdrop from an iPhone to my Windows PC. I'd love that.
 
I am sure Germany is all for this while our hospitals still report Covid numbers via fax and it takes months to replace a lost drivers license (because it needs to be requested in person) Of course an additional 4-5 weeks to PICK IT UP
Yes, they are not able (anymore) to produce something new and meaningful in the digital world, yet try to regulate and force innovative companies to their will. And German government lives in dreamland, where they are telling others how to behave and do their stuff…. I am from Germany, to avoid any misunderstanding here.
 
Will the interoperability thing extend to streaming services?

Spotify is an app... and it's also a market. Seems like the Digital Markets Act would have something to say about their practices.

Could Spotify be forced to allow the Joe Rogan podcast to be available in other podcast apps?

Or could I stream an HBO show like Euphoria in the Amazon Prime app?

If the goal is to prevent being locked into particular ecosystems... streaming services are exactly that. They all have their content locked inside their own silos.

Let's break 'em all open then.

Oh... and maybe Apple could be forced to allow Airdrop from an iPhone to my Windows PC. I'd love that.

It can’t affect Spotify, that would be absurd. You know why?

Because of the same reason Moet or Dom Perignon can’t open boutiques to sell their products in the US, the same reason the US banned the Concorde, the same reason the US filed a suit against Airbus, the same reason Mercedes, BMW, Audi… have to build their SUVs in the US, the same reason the US imposed sanctions against Huawei, the same reason the US stole a closed 40bn defense contract from France, and on and on…
 
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