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For the first time…. thank god for Brexit. Though in reality this stuff would end up being global, rather than only in the EU.

There is some stuff here that makes sense. But there is definitely overreach that both demonstrates a total lack of technical understanding/appreciation like others have pointed out plus stuff that could actually erode competition. But we’ve been there before with EU/Governments as well!

Expect several years of legal challenges from all manufacturers and an eventual watered down legislation delivered. By which point all of those set to lose big in this will have already adjusted their operating models to compensate.
 
Hey... can the EU force Microsoft to restore the functionality of the Windows 11 taskbar to behave more like Windows 10?

There's so much missing...
 
Massive government overreach. Play hardball Apple and threaten to pull out of the EU. They need you more than you need them.

So glad this is the top voted comment. And many EU citizens are threatening to leave EU and move to US if Apple were not allowed there!
 
You're gonna have to help me out.

I'm not familiar with Dom Perignon's and Airbus' business practices.

The whole point is that international and trade policies are not about good practices or lawfulness.

It’s about gaining or retaining power and leverage.

When the US can’t compete it regulates and bans. When the EU can’t compete it regulates and bans.

The American car, commercial aircraft, luxury, high end food an beverage, telecom equipment…. industries can’t compete, so America bans and regulates

Europe does the same with big tech.
 
The whole point is that international and trade policy is not about good practices or lawfulness.

It’s about gaining or retaining power and leverage.

When the US can’t compete it regulates and bans. When the EU can’t compete it regulates and bans.

The American car, commercial aircraft, luxury, high end food an beverage, telecom equipment…. industries can’t compete, so America bans and regulates

Europe does the same with big tech.

Gotcha... thanks!
 
Hey... can the EU force Microsoft to restore the functionality of the Windows 11 taskbar to behave more like Windows 10?

There's so much missing...
It did already. The Eu forced Microsoft to stop bundling the IE. Don‘t you remember? Apple is the M$ of the 2020s. And will be regulated the same way the EU already regulated Microsoft and Google.

Microsoft changed to a service company in the meantime. Azure is build upon OSS and open standards. Apple always claimed to change into a sevice company as well, but it failed. Apple tried the opposite and has only a wallet garden business model. This is why Apple refuses to adopt USB-C (MFI wallet garden business model) and why Apple wants to stay platform owner, gatekeeper and competitor of iOS so badly (another wallet garden business model).

Those business models are about to fail. Finally.
 
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It did already. The EU forced Microsoft to stop bundling the IE. Don‘t you remember?

Yes... I remember the Microsoft case back then.

But I asked if the EU can force Microsoft to fix the disastrous taskbar in Windows 11. It sucks. It affects the consumer.

And the EU is all about helping the consumer, right?

Hell... if the EU is soooo concerned with the way Apple handles the App Store, Messages, FaceTime, third-party browsers, and Siri....

...all I'm asking is for the EU to make Microsoft fix the Windows 11 taskbar to work like it did in Windows 10.

Since the EU so into fixing things...
 
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Oh well, I guess macOS and iOS seeded betas will continue to have almost no feature enhancements nor obvious bug fixes since every single man-hour will spent on dealing with this.
 
I know, right?

That’s very precisely what the EU is saying.

You don’t like our system? Feel free to leave!

Yeah... let's make up some new laws... and force you to comply with them even though you've been doing something for 15 years...

I love it. Finally gonna see some real change soon. Better late then never.

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Yeah... let's make up some new laws... and force you to comply with them even though you've been doing something for 15 years...

I love it. Finally gonna see some real change soon. Better late then never.

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Apple’s problem is they don’t have any relevant leverage anywhere apart from, I would say, Ireland.

Nobody needs iPhones, they don’t pay taxes, they don’t manufacture in Europe.

In actuality, there is a point to be made that they’re a very easy and logical target for tariffs and sanctions.

Apple is an American company that resells Asian hardware assembled in developing countries. That doesn’t bring much to the table in Europe.
 
Yes... I remember the Microsoft case back then.

But I asked if the EU can force Microsoft to fix the disastrous taskbar in Windows 11. It sucks. It affects the consumer.

And the EU is all about helping the consumer, right?

Hell... if the EU is soooo concerned with the way Apple handles the App Store, Messages, FaceTime, third-party browsers, and Siri....

...all I'm asking is for the EU to make Microsoft fix the Windows 11 taskbar to work like it did in Windows 10.

Since the EU so into fixing things...
But don‘t you know that you can install 3rd party tools to change the taskbar? The EU doesn‘t fix the taskbar for you, it just gives you the change to fix it yourself.

You seem to get something wrong here.

Apples target is to „lock users in, lock competition out“. So if someone develops a tool to tune your iPhone homescreen, it won‘t make it into the AppStore. To install it you need to jailbreak your device. With the DMA you won‘t have to jailbreak your iPhone to install the tool.
 
Apple's legal team is going to be busy in the coming days. I don't understand why the government is always after Apple. I wonder if Apple will pull out from all this mess.
That’s very simple, governments don’t have any control over big companies in aspects like encrypted communication, access to users data, freedom of speach. Side loading will weaken iPhone core security and will make it easier to spy on citizens. From economic point of view it’s pure socialism, the end of free market. What’s very disturbing, EU, UK and USA are going here in the same direction.
 
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Yeah... let's make up some new laws... and force you to comply with them even though you've been doing something for 15 years...

I love it. Finally gonna see some real change soon. Better late then never.

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When Apple eneterd the European market it already complied with tons of regulations and laws. There are special iPhone models for different 5G networks. Apple needs to comply with european product regulations for electronic devices, complying to the US regulations is not enough. China, Asia, South Korean? Same story.
 
Pretty obvious that none of these legislators have ever done any coding.

But have they not used a device as an end user to understand the absolute car crash this will be for user experience and ongoing development?
 
Or, you could... you know... buy an Android device.
I support you in this endeavor.

He could but Android comes with a heavy price tag and that is Google is always spying at you. So his option is iOS or spyware. Its illogical to choose spyware.
 
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Guns are needed to make sure the other, less drastic means, are respected.

Courts don’t enforce. Enforcement enforces. It won’t inevitably be required because it’s not in Apple’s interest. But that doesn’t change the fact that enforcement ultimately rests on the threat of force. That’s why, to the extent they do, people abide by court rulings. Not because the court can make them, but law enforcement can.
i will give you a little hint. Eu dosent have a police force or military force. EU literaly have zero weapons to use-
 
I just wish they had reined in some of the crazy parts, it makes them look silly when they want to require (for example) third party voice assistants because that will require a fundamental rethink in the way Apps are allowed to communicate on iOS and/or require Apple to build some sort of universal voice assistant API.

Apple can map the buttons that launch the Siri voice prompt to instead launch something else, while simultaneously disabling 'Hey Siri' voice launching.

Thats the goofy bit - switching out a voice assistant isn't like switching out a keyboard and mouse. They are platform and cloud ecosystem and home automation integration plays, and none of _that_ is being regulated to be interoperable.
 
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