Leaked EU Document Could Spell Major Changes for App Store, Messages, FaceTime, Browsers, and Siri

[Wildkraut]

Because they are tech hostile?

You mean tech hostile like this?
Enjoy our modems in your next iPhone!
Will it be even yours? Well if Apple allows to be yours!

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Intel has seen "significant interest" in its 5G phone modem business.

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And watch Tim C. taking a seat on his bowl through our glass panels.

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[Quu]

One of the things that frustrates me about the App Store (as a developer) is the double standards.

They allowed Amazon to sell ebooks through their app on the store without a fee, bypassing the 30% cut. And even today physical goods and physical services are exempt from the 30% cut. So when you hail a cab on Uber or buy food on JustEat or make a purchase through the Amazon app. Apple doesn't get a cut.

But if you're selling a video game, access to a movie, virtual books (and you're not huge like Amazon) you are having to pay that 30%. It doesn't matter if the software I built cost me a million bucks to create and thousands of employees. Like do you guys not see how much it costs to make a game these days like a really high quality one? GTA5 had a development budget of 265 Million dollars but if it released on the Mac app store Apple still gets 30%?

But I can make a food delivery app that pays workers peanuts while I scrape off 30% of their earnings and Apple says yeah thats fine you keep that whole commission. It makes no sense, the system is broke by design.

 

[dk001]

Here's yet another downside to the Apple iOS App Distribution Monopoly

https://twitter.com/x/status/1517935723374157824

One of many and you are correct as this shows some great examples of “harm” by the current AS policies.

 

[dk001]

Exactly, i can still play the original e.g. Monkey Island game i once bought for PC, while many games i once bought on the AppStore aren’t available in my purchases history anymore.

That is a … WOW. What the F**** is Apple thinking.

 

[dk001]

No, read my original post. I said one thing a phone does that a computer can't is be a phone AT ALL TIMES. I never once changed requirements. My original post on this is proof.

"I need my phone to be able to call 911 at all times. Computers can’t do that."

FIRST LINE from my original post on the topic. Look there.....Let me help you....

....at all times....

I never once changed requirements. I don't take my desktop or laptop when I go out running or riding my bike. But you better be sure of it I take my phone in case I get injured (its happened, not enough to call 911 but I could not make it back home and I needed to call to have someone pick me up). If you don't take your phone that is a risk you are taking. But that does not invalidate the claims that phones should be phones.

Sorry, I can make my pc a 24/7 phone.
You went the floors, weight, etc…

EOD - that req is nonsense and you know it. My IPP isn’t a phone either. But….

 

[robco74]

That is a … WOW. What the F**** is Apple thinking.
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Same thing Google is thinking.

 

[vipergts2207]

Yes they own the App Store and set the policies. The former and latter should be the same. Government can strip that control and the App Store will become a bottom dweller.

But they aren’t the same. They are two different things. I don’t think people in general nor regulators are suggesting Apple be stripped of control of their store. They’re simply being told they have to allow other stores to exist.

 

[Thebrochure]

In your scenario, do you own one of only two stores in the continent? And the other store is owned by *******s whose business model is to harvest everyone's data?

Is there a law preventing others from opening stores? If not, then your analogy doesn't work. No one is stopping others from putting out their own phones with their own stores. Just because Apple was the best at it, does not mean they should be penalized. You shouldn't suffer because you win.

 

[Sf844]

So don’t buy an iOS device, that’s the solution

So don’t sell in the EU, that’s the solution.

Or is the EU’s function to please whatever greedy company?

I think you got the wrong part of the planet there mate.

I find it refreshing and reassuring that our government tames these ruthless corporations that are moved by endless growth and behavioral control.

They should impose heavy tariffs on Apple products and ban Facebook. We wouldn’t be missing anything there.

 

[ric22]

Is there a law preventing others from opening stores? If not, then your analogy doesn't work. No one is stopping others from putting out their own phones with their own stores. Just because Apple was the best at it, does not mean they should be penalized. You shouldn't suffer because you win.

C'mon, apply some thought to it- by the time the only mobile operating systems-or the only stores, in your analogy- are owned by only two companies, it's incredibly incredibly difficult for any 3rd or 4th parties to come along and gain any traction.

In the real world, the only company on Earth with the size and scope to compete with Google and Apple is Amazon, and it would require a huge risk and hundreds of billions of investment. Plus everyone would accuse them of a monopoly, if the biggest shop in the world stopped selling off-brand phones.

 

[turbineseaplane]

That is a … WOW. What the F**** is Apple thinking.
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This is "Mafia style" behavior from Apple..

"hey...nice App you have there...be a shame if it were to disappear!"

 

[turbineseaplane]

C'mon, apply some thought to it- by the time all the phones-or all the stores in your analogy- are owned by only two companies, it's incredibly incredibly difficult for any 3rd or 4th parties to come along and gain any traction.

I'd argue it's impossible given the massive lack of meaningful anti-trust enforcement, nor any real restrictions on acqui-hiring.

The entrenched players gobble up the talent and any small companies with good ideas before they can even become a whiff of a competitor.

 

[ttyRazor]

If GDPR serves as an indication, this is going to turn into a horrible mess. I have no doubt the EU is well-intentioned, but that doesn’t make what they’re planning a good idea. The change to browser engine requirements is a good move, but everything else seems half-baked. Are they of the position that no company should have a competitive advantage with the products and services they offer?

Just what nobody has been clamoring for; Electron apps for iOS!

 

[turbineseaplane]

Are they of the position that no company should have a competitive advantage with the products and services they offer?

The reasons people actually choose iPhones will still be intact.

The hardware, the cameras, the Apps, the iOS design that provides security and simplicity, the great integration with macOS and other Apple services...

All of that is maintained here.

 

[Sf844]

You are dramatically overreacting here..
The reasons people actually choose iPhones will still be intact.

The hardware, the cameras, the Apps, the Security and simplicity, the great integration with macOS and other Apple services...

All of that is maintained here.

The security he says. When people talk about the app store making iPhones secure a cardboard box with a lock comes to mind.

Apple moves you to SMS just to keep iMessage as switch deterrence/network effect. You people have to be kidding.

Where is the open source? Where is the peer review? What bounties do they offer and how long have they been offering them?

Do you even know what security is?

 

[Thebrochure]

C'mon, apply some thought to it- by the time the only mobile operating systems-or the only stores, in your analogy- are owned by only two companies, it's incredibly incredibly difficult for any 3rd or 4th parties to come along and gain any traction.

In the real world, the only company on Earth with the size and scope to compete with Google and Apple is Amazon, and it would require a huge risk and hundreds of billions of investment. Plus everyone would accuse them of a monopoly, if the biggest shop in the world stopped selling off-brand phones.

You're still fundamentally saying that the winner gets penalized for winning. At one point, Apple had only sold one single phone. Since then, by having the best product (or at least the most appealing to consumers), they have climbed to the top of heap. They should not be docked for that. They should reap what they've sown and be allowed to enjoy the spoils.

 

[ric22]

The security he says. When people talk about the app store making iPhones secure a cardboard box with a lock comes to mind.

Apple moves you to SMS just to keep iMessage as switch deterrence/network effect. You people have to be kidding.

Where is the open code? Where is the peer review? What bounties do they offer and how long have they been offering them?

Do you even know what security is?

Are you another of the "terrified of Macs" crowd??

 

[ric22]

You're still fundamentally saying that the winner gets penalized for winning. At one point, Apple had only sold one single phone. Since then, by having the best product (or at least the most appealing to consumers), they have climbed to the top of heap. They should not be docked for that. They should reap what they've sown and be allowed to enjoy the spoils.

There's a reason that monopolies and duopolies aren't allowed in most/many jurisdictions, in many business fields.

Edit: Have a look: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/monopoly.asp

 

[Sf844]

Are you another of the "terrified of Macs" crowd??

I’m one of the “if you buy an iPhone because you think is secure you know nothing of security and marketing” crowd.

 

[Naraxus]

He could but Android comes with a heavy price tag and that is Google is always spying at you. So his option is iOS or spyware. Its illogical to choose spyware.

At least Google's up front about it as opposed to Apple whose stance on privacy & security went out the window when they tried to slip spyware into iOS

 

[Quu]

You're still fundamentally saying that the winner gets penalized for winning. At one point, Apple had only sold one single phone. Since then, by having the best product (or at least the most appealing to consumers), they have climbed to the top of heap. They should not be docked for that. They should reap what they've sown and be allowed to enjoy the spoils.

I mean why didn't consumers just go with another phone network to Bell Systems? - Why did the US congress feel the need to step in and break them up in 1982? - Clearly they just made a better product and did all the investments, made the right bets to succeed and the big bad government came in and broke them up for nothing.

And why did the government see the need to breakup Standard Oil in 1911? I mean John D. Rockefeller made all the right investments to succeed. There was no need to buy oil from them you could setup your own oil company, find oil rich land, buy it and start pumping. I don't get it, why does the government keep putting their nose in where it's not needed?

And why yes I do want to pay $1,000 to fill up my car and make long distance calls thank you very much.

At least Google's up front about it as opposed to Apple whose stance on privacy & security went out the window when they tried to slip spyware into iOS

Not only that but they also decided money was worth more than privacy when they allowed iCloud data for Chinese users to reside solely on Chinese soil and run by a third party company agreed upon by the Chinese government.

I don't expect companies to have moral standards. The dollar is what matters. But you can't have it both ways, like how Apple tries to have it. They will talk about civil rights, gay rights, anti-slavery, privacy. But then delist apps and films and shows in Russia that depict Gay couples, throw Chinese users under the bus with their cloud data and so on.

 

[jarman92]

How can courts challenge laws passed by a parliament? They can only pass judgements on how they are applied. They cannot stop a law once it is passed. Generally, the courts cannot overrule legislation and EU Parliaments cannot pass laws that future EU Parliaments cannot change.

Oh my. Do you live in the EU? Because you clearly don’t have any idea how it works.

The CJEU absolutely has the authority to determine the legality of EU regulations and directives, and can overrule them if necessary. See Article 263 of the TFEU.

 

[PrecisionGem]

I think the USA should require that all European cars sold in the US come with a full sized spare tire. If not face steep fines.
Also all European cars should have wheels with lug patterns that match with the most popular vehicle sold in America, the Ford F150. This is a safety issue, incase a BMW driver gets a flat, the most common driver in America can lend them a spare tire.

 

[Sf844]

I think the USA should require that all European cars sold in the US come with a full sized spare tire. If not face steep fines.
Also all European cars should have wheels with lug patterns that match with the most popular vehicle sold in America, the Ford F150. This is a safety issue, incase a BMW driver gets a flat, the most common driver in America can lend them a spare tire.

You may not be aware but EU car companies are forced to manufacture their SUVs and trucks in the US/NAFTA, so… be glad you’re not being repaid in kind (for the time being). European drone manufacturers are forced to assemble in the US too if they want to deal with the US government.

The US also filed a suit against Airbus, doesn’t allow LVMH to open boutiques for their spirits, stole a 40bn defense contract from France…

That’s your ignorance talking, more than anything else.

 

[Wildkraut]

That is a … WOW. What the F**** is Apple thinking.
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Yep, thats all on purpose…
Let me „try“ to simplify Apples anticompetitive dependency hell with fictive versions.

Apple releases iOS10 + XCode 10, and set up a rule that Devs must renew the App certificate with a new App upload from time to time.
Time passes and later they define that new App updates must be done with Xcode 13, and at the same time they remove the iOS10 SDK from Xcode 13.
That means, that all devices which got iOS10 as their last OS update becomes incompatible with the newer enforced App versions. Remember, that devs are not allowed to update an App with an older Xcode than 13 anymore.

Devs are dragged by Apple into a corner where, if they update the App, older users can’t download this App anymore.
So the Dev choose to leave the older legacy App till its certificate expires in AppStore to not instantly upset users of older iDevices, and sometime later this Apple „Dev friendly reminder“ arrives by email into the Devs inbox.

This leads to people buying more iPhones, because their favorite App disappeared or became incompatible with their „old working“ iDevice, a.k.a. planed obsolescence. This also enforces Devs to release „with older devices“ incompatible Apps, and makes sure they can’t continue supporting owners of these still working older iDevices. To achieve their goal even better, they sign iOS updates and stop signing older versions, to stop users from rolling back to older iOS versions.

A anticompetitive dependency hell, and thats only the top of the mountain!