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Leaked EU Document Could Spell Major Changes for App Store, Messages, FaceTime, Browsers, and Siri
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So you agree with me?
It would appear if you do not agree with me, your anecdotal experiences aren't indicative of the wider picture across two very large areas.
"US consumers also spend a smaller share of their budget on groceries versus those in other countries. Last year, the share of household budgets devoted to food was 7.1% in the US; it was higher in European countries like the UK (9.4%), Germany (11.7%), France (15%), Spain (15%), and Italy (16.5%), according to Euromonitor International, a London-based market research firm."
US families spend far less on food than those in Europe, but for how much longer?
More expensive labor and supply chain disruptions are leading to higher grocery costs for US consumers, who are used to spending less of their budget on groceries versus those in other countries.
qz.com
While the differences in food shopping are currently large, that article explains the gap is starting to diminish.
It’s just the second largest economy. Hey, and people here aren’t sent home to die because of money.
You wish.
You have provided a quote that gives you the answer you need, it speaks to groceries, not eating out. I can do a weekly shop in Europe for the cost of getting a few recipe ingredients in the US.So you agree with me?
It would appear if you do not agree with me, your anecdotal experiences aren't indicative of the wider picture across two very large areas.
"US consumers also spend a smaller share of their budget on groceries versus those in other countries. Last year, the share of household budgets devoted to food was 7.1% in the US; it was higher in European countries like the UK (9.4%), Germany (11.7%), France (15%), Spain (15%), and Italy (16.5%), according to Euromonitor International, a London-based market research firm."
US families spend far less on food than those in Europe, but for how much longer?
More expensive labor and supply chain disruptions are leading to higher grocery costs for US consumers, who are used to spending less of their budget on groceries versus those in other countries.
While the differences in food shopping are currently large, that article explains the gap is starting to diminish.
I shared some stats. Your turn.
Real estate, food, fuel, etc are all much cheaper in America than the EU, as a percentage of income. Mostly much cheaper in general. If you disagree, I'd like to see you produce some evidence to back it up.
At least we all agree health care is more expensive in America.
So you live in an expensive bit of America and a cheap part of Europe? Honestly, stop pretending you know what you're talking about in terms of the bigger picture. It's silly to just make **** up because of your experiences as one person in a couple of specific areas.
No, I live in a cheap state and a not cheap part of Europe. The only pretender here is the Googler.
I've lived all over the world and in multiple places in Europe.
I live in Sweden. 50% of my paycheck goes straight to the taxman, and then I pay 25% in sales tax (depending on the goods). Our health care is really cheap.
You've said a lot of things here but most of it is incorrect. I don't want to spend the time going through it bit by bit. But essentially I develop apps for the platform and I know the frameworks that are the same between devices. I have run my own software on a Mac that runs 1:1 on an iPad and an iPhone. I know where they're the same and where they differ.
I will never agree that the iPhone is not a computer. I will never agree that the iPad is not a computer. Just like I'll never agree that a hotdog is a sandwich. Bringing up features like AirPrint that both iPhones and Macs have had for 10 years isn't going to somehow sway my opinion.
Simple as that really.
I've lived all over the world too. Hooray for you and me.
Anyway, here's some more research that's been conducted. If it wasn't for cheap EU alcohol prices the divide would be wider. But anyway. I've won the argument, no need to continue this further.
This is still a pick your posion situation. If it's cheap enough anyone "can" do it. The bar of entry is low. If its too expensive (which is a relative situation), then yes you could get better development because it weeds out those just messing around and they don't have the resources to make a quality app. But, it also gets rid of opportunity for those willing to take a chance.
Agreed.
Porn.
Most likely for good reason.
Yup, for good reason. Why not just give you source code and just have at it? Apple built walls in the garden. We know this. We can argue if this is good bad or whatever, but it's for a purpose. Again, no one is forcing anyone to do anything with Apple.
And I understand this, however. Big however here. Apple built this. They get to decide what to do with it. If anyone doesn't like it, petition them. Or stop developing for it. If enough developers stopped developing for the platform. Guess what happens? People will buy Android since that is where the apps are, and Apple will have to either adapt to win you back OR they go away. AKA fail.
Yes, I agree. People will try it. Then get burned, and complain to Apple.
And how much of that will get passed on to people like me? Willing to say ZERO. I'm going with zero. And even if it saves me a few dollars on the top end (how much are apps these days?). At what cost? There are no free lunches here. It may cost you less to make an App and maybe save me a buck or two here and there. But, at the cost of a less secure iOS? Multiple vendors to deal with when there is an issue? Again, pick your poison.
You do have the ability to not develop on the platform right? I mean it sounds like you're not making a profit.
and it's 15% out of the first million. If you're making more than a million a year it's 30%.
Take education costs into account and the EU easy wins, in Germany it’s free, even the university.
Parents don’t need to go bankrupt to offer their kids a good education.
Yes the EU is cheaper overall, I said it before.
Even more if you compare big metro areas. I think the largest in the EU are Paris, Madrid and Berlin, and those are worlds apart from NY or the Bay Area. Not that they’re cheap, but still.
Depends where in each place. London, Munich, Paris, New York are all insanely expensive in terms of real estate.
I have American and Canadian colleagues, and it's amazing how huge their homes in the America countryside are, bought for that would buy a tiny little place in Western Europe.
Of course, go to Romania and you can buy countryside places for American prices too.
The cost of living. I don’t need stats. First hand experience. Try and do baseball with stats alone.
Look, I really like the US. NYC is incredible but my personal American friends would agree with me.
You cannot make a good living in the US with 35k a year in an urban area. Yet you can in the EU.
It depends where you stayed in the EU. Look you can stay in Monaco or by the beach in the south of Spain. Or go and live in Bavaria … Maybe you prefer the charms of Paris, or the safety of Lisbon… plenty of diversity.
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We are a high functioning socialist country. Nothing is free. But when my mom had cancer we just got an appointment, I don't have the slightest idea what it did cost. We and everybody else paid for it. Now I'm paying for someone else's moms care. It's nice not to worry about money when everything else is darkness.
And I take a university course every now and then. Which is also nice.
Agreed on education. It's ridiculous in America. It's bad enough in England.
Thanks for a laugh. I needed that. Poor internet data, from 2019 (2-3 years old) and listing a number of EU countries as cheaper than the US, yet you claim 'I won the argument' ???