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Thanks for a laugh. I needed that. Poor internet data, from 2019 (2-3 years old) and listing a number of EU countries as cheaper than the US, yet you claim 'I won the argument' ???
By the way, that data is what CNBC use...

I have yet to see anything better from you, or in fact anything at all?
 
By the way, that data is what CNBC use...

I have yet to see anything better from you, or in fact anything at all?
Because I don't need to appease an internet troll.

UK is no longer the EU but threw it in anyway.
 

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The first part is ok as that is how it is implemented in Android also. Regarding the second part, it is not happening. Unless Apple is ok being fined a minimum of 4% (upto a maximum of 20%) of their global revenue, they cannot stop the sideloaded apps access to any APIs that the first-party apps can access. So, denying access to contacts database etc., is ruled out.

However, Apple should be allowed to disallow such access as a user choice, much like they do with tracking. Any user that wants to can, and those that want to protect that data or at least know what apps are accessing should be allowed to the same option. That is user choice.

This is simply about Apple trying to protect their unjustified revenue cut due to a monopoly on iOS app distribution

The ultimate question is "will developers make more profit, not as a percentage buts total profit" from stores with a smaller cut. Apple has eliminated much of the upfront costs of bringing an app to marjket, so developers get a larger percentage of revenue than in pre-app store models.

They have a monopoly on software distribution on iOS -- that is the issue

By those standards EPIC has a monopoly on Fortnight market since only they can monetize items in game.

Even Microsoft on the Windows store only charges 12% and they're pretty greedy. EPIC on their store charges 12% also and that goes as low as just 5% if you use the EPIC's game engine (Unreal Engine) in your game. It's funny, other stores give discounts to use their API's and Frameworks but Apple charges you the same regardless.

Doesn't Epic, IIRC, take a cut of revenue from licensing their engine in a commercial environment:

A 5% royalty is due only if you are distributing an off-the-shelf product that incorporates Unreal Engine code (such as a game) and the lifetime gross revenue from that product exceeds $1 million USD; in this case, the first $1 million remains royalty-exempt.

Apple's store also generates a higher return for developers in terms of revenue based on what I've seen. If Android was more profitable you'd see a lot of developers abandon iOS but that doesn't seem to be the case.

How much do you pay for health insurance? What about rent? What about …

When a family member bought insurance on the exchange it was about $200/month.

What is the effective tax rate in Portugal? 45% on a 50k Euro income. In the US, it would be less than 20%

Rental for a 1 bedroom apartment in Lisbon averages what, 600 Euros? With an average salary in Lisbon of 1500 Euros, someone is paying 1/3 of their income in rent for a 1 bedroom apartment. That's about what someone in NYC, at about 32%, would pay in rent.

Free healthcare isn't free, and there is a reason there are private clinics and private insurance in addition to the public one. Although, even private clinics are cheaper without insurance. I paid 100 Euros for a visit, which is cheaper than in the US without healthcare, although with my insurance in the US it would have been $45. At least my insurance reimburses me the difference. It's great that you don't have to worry about paying, but how long do you wait in an emergency room or for routine care? I do like that drug prices are heavily subsidized.

Each system has pluses and minuses. Not better, not worse, just different. I love Portugal, it is a beautiful country, but you have to look at the whole picture when comparing costs of living. Overall, Portugal is cheaper in some areas and more in others. How much is gas per liter? Sales tax (VAT)?
 
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Fuel is obviously much more expensive in the EU because it’s a net importer of oil and natgas and it carries a lot of taxes too, like 100%
But what he fails to appreciate is how much less we drive compared to the US. So whilst it is much more expensive, the overall picture balances out. My car insurance in Europe is a fraction of that in the US.
 
The EU needs to be disbanded. They have no idea what they’re doing 99% of the time, especially with regards to tech.

There’s a reason there are so few tech juggernauts in Europe. Companies flee to the USA where there are fewer onerous regulations.
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Yup. Disbanded is a good way of describing it. I would’ve said excommunicated personally, but either or is fine. The sooner Apple can abandon the EU entirely, the better for everyone in my opinion.
 
That’s harder to answer without some research tbh
Agreed. The reason this topic has bugged me and why I'm replying to everyone on it is because I did some research on it a couple of years ago, when I started working remotely and had to contemplate where to base myself. There's ups and downs everywhere, but you have to consider the broad picture, and if you ignore stuff like varying salaries and tax rates you get a skewed impression.

Like the other chap said, Portugal is a lovely country that isn't seemingly expensive to an American or Brit, but the tax rates are very high. America offers low tax and incredibly cheap housing in many areas by Western European standards, and amazingly cheap fuel, but healthcare and education are prohibitive in terms of raising a family there. England is a ****-show all around cost wise, though at least Scotland offers free higher education. The list goes on.

I previously worked in China, where everything is comparatively cheap for a Western ex pat - food, healthcare, fuel, cars, homes, etc, and even tax isn't bad for us. Lots of financial upsides. For a local earning $9,000 a year, it's not so cheap. For a Westerner there's sometimes more to consider than money, anyway. ? (some astonishingly beautiful scenery to visit in China, by the way, so international politics aside I'd highly recommend those that haven't been to go one day.)
 
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Like the other chap said, Portugal is a lovely country that isn't seemingly expensive to an American or Brit, but the tax rates are very high. America offers low tax and incredibly cheap housing in many areas by Western European standards, and amazingly cheap fuel, but healthcare and education are prohibitive in terms of raising a family there. England is a ****-show all around cost wise, though at least Scotland offers free higher education. The list goes on.
Not that simple. My role in Europe vs my role in the US with the same company, my effective tax rate is identical due to the higher salary in the US.

Edit: Also totally disagree with healthcare being prohibitive. It can be more expensive depending on your medical issues, but it isn't prohibitive - of course for some it could be, making other healthcare systems fairer.
 
Um…have you heard of courts?
and what are they suposed to do? what law do you think they can chalenge it on? there is no constitution to challenge it on. this is the equivalent of chalenging a constitutional amendment. good luck to keep it tied up as it will be enforcable from day one
 
As far as my reading the various articles regarding the EU DMA regulation, once passed, the law cannot be challenged in the sense that it cannot be reversed or stopped.
thats becasue the is nothing for the EUCJ to interpret or challenge it on. only a parlamentary action can remove the law
 
You WILL have the government surveil and intercept your communications, you WILL have the government censor and detain you for wrongthink, you WILL parrot the prevailing government propaganda of the day, and if you don't you WILL have a jackboot of the EU police state on your throat
 
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You WILL have the government surveil and intercept your communications, you WILL have the government censor and detain you for wrongthink, you WILL parrot the prevailing government propaganda of the day, and if you don't you WILL have a jackboot of the EU police state on your throat
What will be more interesting is how many of these MEPs will fall foul to their own making. Installing spyware or suspect apps and leaking their personal info and more online.
 
IF Apple were to stop seliing iPhones in Europe or pull out of Europe with the App Store how would Apple customers (in Europe) take this?

How mad would iPhone users be at being forced to buy an Android phone next time round? Or being forced to sell their iPhone for dirt cheap because they can’t buy anything on the App Store when Apple refuses to back down? Would there be any political blowback from the masses?
 
IF Apple were to stop seliing iPhones in Europe or pull out of Europe with the App Store how would Apple customers (in Europe) take this?

How mad would iPhone users be at being forced to buy an Android phone next time round? Or being forced to sell their iPhone for dirt cheap because they can’t buy anything on the App Store when Apple refuses to back down? Would there be any political blowback from the masses?
I doubt Apple could spin their reluctance to much of what is proposed in a positive light, and I doubt many people would take to the streets. Even if they do, what good would it do - it's not like politicians really listen to the population much, and unlike a national government, I am not sure how many would care about retaining their seat as an MEP.

Edit: Also, there would be a major share price impact to a move like that, which would do way more damage to Apple in the short term.
 
What’s coverage? What about deductibles?
Pretty broad coverage. No deductible but copays from$45 to $125. I paid $250 for an emergency room plus ambulance with my coverage. No insurance would have been $5000. A lot depends on your insurance provider.

I agree the US really needs to address healthcare costs, including fixing drug prices to that other countries pay for US drugs. Without insurance you are SOL, which is shameful.
 
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Pretty broad coverage. No deductible but copays from$45 to $125. I paid $250 for an emergency room plus ambulance with my coverage. No insurance would have been $5000. A lot depends on your insurance provider.

I agree the US really needs to address healthcare costs, including fixing drug prices to that other countries pay for US drugs. Without insurance you are SOL, which is shameful.
It depends on the drugs. In the EU my drug is 50,000% more expensive than in the US. The good thing with Europe is it's more evenly priced so it balances out well for all.
 
I think the USA should require that all European cars sold in the US come with a full sized spare tire. If not face steep fines.
Also all European cars should have wheels with lug patterns that match with the most popular vehicle sold in America, the Ford F150. This is a safety issue, incase a BMW driver gets a flat, the most common driver in America can lend them a spare tire.
That sounds great. And i can bet that EU and even Germany themselves will not even say a word.
as long as the rules are applied equally, the EU or any company won't have a say. And they can always choose to leave.
 
ell-oh-ell.

If you think governments won't simply block the App Store and force people to use a government approved one, you're delusional.
nope they wont. they havent done it with android, windows, MacOS and linux. so we can expect iOS to be the same
I would be ok with this - the only problem is that there would be a power shift from Apple to the third party company instead of the user. For example, imagine that Facebook would pull out of the AppStore and would only be available via direct download. Now you have a app that is forcing you to turn on that toggle if you want Facebook.
Should then there be a law that prevents this from happening? That if you used to have an app in the AppStore that you must keep providing that same app via the original store for the users that do not want the toggle on? Who has the power now?
What if Facebook changes name - Meta - and now says that it is a brand new app/company thus allowing to circumvent that law?
thats also completely fin considering EU wants to implement apples privacy rules but for everyone.
I do like your comment. But there is a difference between creating a standard and forcing that standard to be the only way to communicate. We already have communication standards - called text messaging, email.
Both iOS and Android allow you to use these between devices without a problem.
Instead of forcing one and only standard, why not come up with a new standard but not make it the only way?
It would be then up to the consumers to use that standard if good enough.
Like I had to instead WhatsApp to message other people. It was my choice to do so if I wanted to communicate to those people without. I could have text messaged or emailed them.
that is a fundamental misunderstanding you and many keep having. no one protocol to rule them all, but a minimum standard that will be implemented. that is what regulations do. they implement what you need to meet; the rest can be better in any shape or form as long as the original things
I do agree that having a lot of messaging apps is annoying and that new standards could exist for web instant messaging - but this should not be the only one. It could be mandatory for any mobile communications device to support them (not sure if text message is mandatory). It would then be up to the user to start using that or not.
 
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