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I need my phone to be able to call 911 at all times. Computers can’t do that. If my Windows or Mac is down due to malware and my family collapses, I can call 911 without touching a computer.

Now if my iPhone now has ransomware on it that locks it down, or a rogue process that causes my phone to be slow it’s a concern.

The difference is in the name of the product.

You can from Skype.
From my pc.
In the US.
 
Because some people do want to and/or do need to.
Ok, but some people want a OS that actively doesn’t allow it. And 30% of the market is (at least) fine enough with that. You could say they buy the iPhone for other reasons, and I could say something else. Thankfully, we have a great way to discover it: the market, which acts as trial and error at large scale. If it was so relevant, Apple would have allowed sideloading. As they had to go with bigger screens, or include ports again on the MBP, etc.
 
Basically the EU has just woken up that they lost the digital era to the US and is now scrambling to salvage something from it.
Same with Apple to Google on software and services, but they found a way to curb Google and dash ahead.
 
You'll still find 99% of the applications will be released on the official stores as that is where the vast majority of users go to find new apps. Nothing about that will change.

But you will find part of this proposed document from the EU is about money. Developers ability to charge for apps directly using their own payment systems. So in this situation I as a developer could release an app for free on the iOS App Store and then once you launch the app I ask to charge you money to use the app and Apple wouldn't get a cut of those proceeds.

This may alter the dynamic of the App Store with Apple charging developers a subscription to list apps or charge based on download counts for apps that are commercial but list as "free" on Apples store etc
Ahhhh, see? There is nothing free. That free “shelf space” on the AppStore will look preeeetty good to everyone after Apple starts charging a listing fee in this scenario!

Maybe then there will be some rational thought and acknowledgement that “oh, maybe forcing for a completely open platform was a bad idea.”

But silly me. Of course that wouldn’t happen.
 
If you want to discuss morals and being conducive to competition, to me it's immoral and is anti-competitve to allow two companies (Apple and Google) to dictate terms to every mobile software developer and to set one sided terms otherwise they don't get access to the mobile software market. Especially as it relates to Apple, since the only route to getting software to an iPhone user is through the App Store. Google at least allows sideloading.
Build a better company yourself.

A decade and a half a go, Blackberry was on top of the world and nobody considered a buttonless device, considering the need for email on the go--iPhone was laughed at. It was a toy.

Twenty five years ago there was no Google. There was no Facebook, no Twitter and Apple was a wreck.

All of the above is from the last generation, which is....not a lot of time.

Apple and Google aren't going to be on top forever.

Don't regulate outrage and create a policy that punishes "the right" people today but will be worse for your citizens long term.
 
...Your analogy about Ford is very flawed. The government does mandate cars have seatbelts and companies like Ford fought against those kind of regulations based on all kinds of reasons from cost to design and appearance.

...

The car is probably the most regulated consumer product you can purchase with literally thousands of rules that automakers must adhere to and not just for public safety but also for competition reasons.
Re: Ford fighting seat belts, Ford made seat belts a $9 option in 1956, twelve years before seat belts became mandatory in 1968 in the US.
 
Do you know what the unintended means in unintended consequences? And are small companies doing what Apple, Google, Facebook, etc are doing in the first place? I would imagine to be able to do the very things these large tech companies are capable of, you'd have to be of a substantial size with the associated market power.
Here’s my first post in the thread:

“Third parties imposing requirements on consensual transactions between other parties are less about protecting competition and more about control or favoring certain competitors.”

What you’re trying to rationalize here is, exactly, “favoring certain competitors.” It’s good to see you come around on this.
 
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Apple's market power isn't solely because they have a popular product. They have implemented a system where they decide who and how you get access to around half of smartphone consumers.
...they made an ecosystem for their own products. Something you can use, or not use. Again, this has nothing to do with anything other than "I want" and "I wish" because Apple is popular and fun to use. This is a kind of looter mentality of let's take it over and make it what we want, even though we have none of the expertise that made it great in the first place.
 
They are being moved because you have two different sentences with two different meanings.

I replied to the first. You’re acting as if I replied to the second.
So you believe that ensuring competitive markets and adherence to anti-trust law aren't both pieces of the government function of ensuring regulated markets?
 
Corporate control and monopolistic behavior is the worst and it's to the detriment of users and consumer choice.
Regulate 'em

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The biggest monopoly in the world is government and their monopoly on force and yet people don’t seem to care about that. And worse want to make it worldwide (via a global minimum tax) so that everyone in the world will be at the mercy of the power hungry politicians.
 
The law is well intentioned but I think it goes too far.
Policy should be judged on its outcomes, not on its intention. Unfortunately most people don't understand this, which is why government has become the giant behemoth it is today with its tentacles reaching into every aspect of our lives. We need less government, not more.
 
In other news the Biden administration and the US Congress have voted to require German auto makers to offer each other's powertrains and in car infotainment systems as options starting in 2024 and require all to come with US made Goodyear tires.....

This proposal will be caught up in a legal and WTO disputes for years.
 
No, you don’t have to be substantial size not to allow sideloading on your OS or not to have your messaging app interact with others.

At least now you’re getting close to realizing that what a law says and how it’s applied aren’t necessarily the same.
And the reason nobody would care is because if you're a small company nobody has ever heard of, you can't impact the broader market in ways that Apple and Google currently can.
 
Build a better company yourself.

A decade and a half a go, Blackberry was on top of the world and nobody considered a buttonless device, considering the need for email on the go--iPhone was laughed at. It was a toy.

Twenty five years ago there was no Google. There was no Facebook, no Twitter and Apple was a wreck.

All of the above is from the last generation, which is....not a lot of time.

Apple and Google aren't going to be on top forever.

Don't regulate outrage and create a policy that punishes "the right" people today but will be worse for your citizens long term.
Why should my only recourse to anti-competitive measures be to start my own company? Not to mention, should I succeed in my endeavor, I'll no doubt want to implement my own anti-competitive measures to maximize my profits. One function of government is to keep unfair practices from being an issue in the first place.
 
Even the cheapest Mac (Mac Mini) is twice the cost of an iPad. Then add a keyboard, monitor, and mouse.

It’s no surprise at all that there are more iPads out there than Mac laptops. And it has little or nothing to do with the App Store being the only way to get apps.

That's why I specified "mid-range iPad". Point being, there's lots of options and variety out there. There are also desktop PC's for the cost of the cheapest iPad.

The arguments for all these changes would make a lot more sense if Apple was a monopolistic company, but they aren't. There's still tons of choices for both hardware and software, and its not like Facetime or iMessage prevents you from sending messages or video conferencing with others.

If there's no monopoly or anti-competitive practices, then I am not a big fan of using laws to force a businesses' hand.
 
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iMessage is somewhat open since you can message anyone using just a phone number. It's called SMS.

However... the only way I can message a WhatsApp, Telegram, or Signal user is by using their official proprietary apps.

Open them up!

:p
 
Here’s my first post in the thread:

“Third parties imposing requirements on consensual transactions between other parties are less about protecting competition and more about control or favoring certain competitors.”

What you’re trying to rationalize here is, exactly, “favoring certain competitors.” It’s good to see you come around on this.
Actually, what I'm pointing out is that small players could commit the exact same actions Apple has, but they would have essentially no impact on the market. If you want to classify that as favoring certain competitors have at it. Let me know when they start impacting hundreds of billions of dollars in a global market and I and world governments might actually care. Good thing the market cap provision is in there though because once they reach a certain size, they'll get hit with the exact same provisions as Apple.
 
Why should my only recourse to anti-competitive measures be to start my own company? Not to mention, should I succeed in my endeavor, I'll no doubt want to implement my own anti-competitive measures to maximize my profits. One function of government is to keep unfair practices from being an issue in the first place.
Because starting your own company, like Delorean, is the capitalistic way. And while government can make any law it wants, subject of course to the laws surrounding what government can do, doesn't automatically mean every law is good in the long run. And while we will see where this goes, I think it will have a chilling effect on the business climate of the EU with respect to tech.
 
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