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Leaked EU Document Could Spell Major Changes for App Store, Messages, FaceTime, Browsers, and Siri

GermanSuplex said:
That's why I specified "mid-range iPad". Point being, there's lots of options and variety out there. There are also desktop PC's for the cost of the cheapest iPad.

The arguments for all these changes would make a lot more sense if Apple was a monopolistic company, but they aren't. There's still tons of choices for both hardware and software, and its not like Facetime or iMessage prevents you from sending messages or video conferencing with others.

If there's no monopoly or anti-competitive practices, then I am not a big fan of using laws to force a businesses' hand.
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I was asked why people buy more iOS devices than MacOS devices.

1. 85% of American adults own smartphones, and there is no macOS smartphone (for obvious reasons).
2. iPads are magnitudes cheaper than MacOS devices at every level.

That’s the list. Nobody has an issue with MacOS’s software distribution. If iOS had the same app distribution policies, nobody would care other than the Apple bootlickers that praise everything they do.
 
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Smooley said:
Apple has paid every bit of tax that they are legally required to pay by law. Quit being mad at the companies and start being angry with the governments writing crappy tax law. Do you pay more taxes than you are legally required too? If your tax burden is say $1000.00, why not send $1200.00 instead because you had a good year and have some savings in place. I mean those less fortunate than you could really use the extra money to fund benefits, or those who live on streets with lots of pot holes could use them filled. Are you actually happy with how your taxes are currently being spent, I know I am not. If my government could show even a sliver of proper allocation of the money we currently send them then I could get on board with higher taxes to benefit the many but until then I want to keep as much of my money as I can and don't want anybody to pay more including Apple.
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They can’t pay all the taxes they owe due to the diversion of sales to Apple international.
 
Macative said:
...they made an ecosystem for their own products. Something you can use, or not use. Again, this has nothing to do with anything other than "I want" and "I wish" because Apple is popular and fun to use. This is a kind of looter mentality of let's take it over and make it what we want, even though we have none of the expertise that made it great in the first place.
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Unfortunately Apple is using their ecosystem to control access to half of consumers. You may not have a problem with that, but I do and major governments appears to agree with that stance. If someone wants to conduct a transaction with me regarding an app for my phone, why should Apple get a say on whether or not that happens? It might be different were there actual competition in the smartphone OS space, but there isn't.
 
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I7guy said:
Because starting your own company, like Delorean, is the capitalistic way. And while government can make any law it wants, subject of course to the laws surrounding what government can do, doesn't automatically mean every law is good in the long run. And while we will see where this goes, I think it will have a chilling effect on the business climate of the EU with respect to tech.
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I like capitalism. That doesn't mean I want it to operate without limits.
 
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Let's just imagine for one moment that we Mac Rumors forum members on this thread are Apple board members. The last thing we want is for our globally successful iPhone device – the one that transformed the mobile marketplace fundamentally and helped turn Apple into the leading tech brand in the consumer marketplace – to be the sort of device that becomes potentially far less robust in the users' hands.

As board members we are aware that far more consumers have iPhones than Macs, and that the majority of these are not tech-oriented and have probably never heard of side loading. But if they start to have a more complex and negative relationship with that iPhone without knowing quite why (until they've been scammed, or their phone has locked down, or they've had to be talked through a reboot via an Apple support employee etc etc), then it won't be very long before the Apple brand has been undermined through no fault of its own but rather by well-meaning (let's be kind) officials who aren't brand focused, nor even focused on the iPhone users' experience beyond a limited, simplistic set of notions to be translated into law if they get their way. I know that the boards of our competitors would be delighted to see this. My board would certainly not vote for that. It would be potential business suicide.
 
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I'm hoping this would force Apple to make iMessage and FaceTime available for Android worldwide. FINALLY!

I'm tired of people stating "iMessage" or "FaceTime" as the reason why they have or switching to an iPhone.

I'm tired of my friends/family refusing to use alternative methods of communication like WhatsApp, IG, Facebook Messenger.

I'm tired of the green/blue bubble rivalry and bullying.

I'm tired of FaceTiming only on my iPad, just because my friends/family don't know how to send a link to my Android to FaceTime!
 
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I’m pretty sure preference is not a verb. Perhaps a grammar checker?

If the author isn’t willing to read the article, why should I?
 
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I'm hoping this would force Apple to make iMessage and FaceTime available for Android worldwide. FINALLY!

I'm tired of people stating "iMessage" or "FaceTime" as the reason why they have or switching to an iPhone.

I'm tired of my friends/family refusing to use alternative methods of communication like WhatsApp, IG, Facebook Messenger.

I'm tired of the green/blue bubble rivalry and bullying.

I'm tired of FaceTiming only on my iPad, just because my friends/family don't know how to send a link to my Android to FaceTime!
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Sound like your friends and family are the problem here. At least friends you can cut loose
 
LOL at all the apocalyptic rhetoric in the comments for this article. Thank god computers started with open platforms and app distribution otherwise you'd all be arguing against that too. If you want to be spoonfed apps on your devices then that is your choice and nobody is going to take it away - you'll still be allowed to download apps from your safe-place Apple App Store. But to argue others should not have a choice and have that same puréed applesauce shoved down their throats too is ridiculous.
 
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That iPhone is gonna get pulled from EU because making changes is not an over night thing like the Eu thinks.

Then will be reintroduced as maybe…

iPhone 20 EU: it’s just a phone with no software. You figure out yourself.

Without optimized apps is an iPhone really an iPhone?

If it doesn’t just work is an iPhone really an iPhone?

I guess they’ll have to make:

Phone EU a phone like hardware with no software.

Then the EU will complain it doesn’t track citizens enough.
 
jjpiv said:
If GDPR serves as an indication, this is going turn into a horrible mess. I have no doubt the EU is well-intentioned, but that doesn’t make what they’re planning a good idea. The change to browser engine requirements is a good move, but everything else seems half-baked. Are they of the position that no company should have a competitive advantage with the products and services they offer?
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Agreed. Apparently the EU is also under the impression they can force developers to invest time and money developing their apps for platforms they have no interest in supporting.

I see a potentially long legal battle ahead if this passes.
 
It would be interesting if the EU were subject to similar outside regulation. I think they would object rather strenuously.
Bullies will be bullies after all.
 
I can’t wait to shop for a Ford at my VW dealer because the EU decided it was unfair that you can only buy a VW at a VW dealer. I heard that’s next.
 
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New wide-reaching interoperability obligations will require companies to ensure that, under certain circumstances, their messaging, voice-calling, and video calling apps and services will work with rival services and include end-to-end encryption.
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Building such cross compatibility is an absolutely massive undertaking. I really wonder if they had people with IT and UX knowledge look at all that they are proposing here. Give the disaster that unfolded with the cookiewall legislation I doubt it. Also, if I'm on iMessage I don't want to talk to someone who uses a Facebook owned app for privacy reasons. I hope Messages will be able to show if someone is using a different app.
 
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