nastysailboat
Cancelled
Na they’re just gonna put all the vw engines in the fords every engine will need to be made to fit in every car.
Leaked EU Document Could Spell Major Changes for App Store, Messages, FaceTime, Browsers, and Siri
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CE3
macrumors 68000
This legislation reaches far beyond the sideloading issue.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
I never said you said I had to agree or disagree. But now that we have this matter settled....
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
Think the point is, if one doesn't like the way Apple manages it's ecosystem, there are literally dozens of alternatives.
vipergts2207
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If that’s what you heard, I would advise against listening to the voices in your head. They aren’t real.
JahBoolean
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The sheer amount of lunacy this kind of subject matter attracts is beyond me.
fanboy-ish
macrumors 6502
I'm European, personally nobody I know uses iMessage or FaceTime, even people who only own Apple devices, WhatsApp is the norm, you're almost forced to use WhatsApp, so I don't really care about that
As for USB-C yes, it would be nice to have one standard, use USB-C instead of Lightning, but it doesn't bother me that much, what bothers me is that iPhones are sold without a charging brick, but one could argue that if you can afford an iPhone you can afford a charging brick.
One thing that worries me are third party app stores, because I'm afraid companies might require users to download their apps only from a different store; I know this doesn't happen on Android, but Android isn't actively trying to prevent tracking, so companies might require users to use a different store in order to circumvent Apple's tracking prevention - if that is even technologically feasible, I don't know -.
Side loading doesn't worry me, users should practice their due diligence and educate themselves on what they're installing on their devices, if people brick their phones or computers, or get bombarded by ads, because they keep installing crap is, quite frankly, not my problem, as long as this doesn't create a problem for other users that spend more than 30 seconds researching an app, if this behavior is not going to lower the security of my software, then let them ruin their devices, I don't care.
Regarding offering a different in-app purchase options, I can agree on principle that developers should be allowed to inform users that is possible to use a different payment method - eg. subscribe using our website rather than the App Store -; but I also think that companies that created a technology, an environment, that allows you to reach a wider audience, deserve to take a cut on purchases made through their systems, be said companies Apple, Google, Microsoft, Sony, Amazon, etc...
I can agree that had Apple been a European corporation, the EU wouldn't have cared this much about their practices.
As for USB-C yes, it would be nice to have one standard, use USB-C instead of Lightning, but it doesn't bother me that much, what bothers me is that iPhones are sold without a charging brick, but one could argue that if you can afford an iPhone you can afford a charging brick.
One thing that worries me are third party app stores, because I'm afraid companies might require users to download their apps only from a different store; I know this doesn't happen on Android, but Android isn't actively trying to prevent tracking, so companies might require users to use a different store in order to circumvent Apple's tracking prevention - if that is even technologically feasible, I don't know -.
Side loading doesn't worry me, users should practice their due diligence and educate themselves on what they're installing on their devices, if people brick their phones or computers, or get bombarded by ads, because they keep installing crap is, quite frankly, not my problem, as long as this doesn't create a problem for other users that spend more than 30 seconds researching an app, if this behavior is not going to lower the security of my software, then let them ruin their devices, I don't care.
Regarding offering a different in-app purchase options, I can agree on principle that developers should be allowed to inform users that is possible to use a different payment method - eg. subscribe using our website rather than the App Store -; but I also think that companies that created a technology, an environment, that allows you to reach a wider audience, deserve to take a cut on purchases made through their systems, be said companies Apple, Google, Microsoft, Sony, Amazon, etc...
I can agree that had Apple been a European corporation, the EU wouldn't have cared this much about their practices.
Apple$
macrumors 6502
These laws might be tied up in courts forever (or until the current smartphone app ecosystem becomes obsolete due to some new technology, brain implants or somesuch). The problem is that all these laws seem likely to be contradictory, as it may be impossible for any vendor to allow cross-operability and open access, while still fully complying with all the new data privacy laws. Laws written by people who don't understand technology.
MallardDuck
macrumors 68000
Next up, they'll require Ford trucks to be able to use Toyota parts.
Thebrochure
macrumors 6502
You EU people are gonna have a ghetto-phone. lol
jimothyGator
macrumors 6502
You have a more charitable view of EU’s intentions than I do.
As to your question about the EU’s position on competing advantage: it appears they are okay with a company having competitive advantage, unless that company is extremely popular with its customers.
threesixty360
macrumors 6502a
If you want "best of breed" in any market you have to allow deviation.For example, Tesla had to take the risk and deviate from the standard car power model. In the EU's mind, Tesla 10yrs ago would be making an incompatible car for users and should be banned!
If the only way a company feels they can guarantee security or whatever on their platform is to lock it down, who's to say otherwise? Let the market decide if they agree with them or not.
If dev's think 30% is too much to give, why join in 10yrs ago and help make the platform big in the first place?
I dont get the mentality. If the market doesnt want apple, it will die. Its that simple.
I really dont want to get in the situation where apple, MS or Google even, make a better plug that has mind-blowing data transfer speeds and they cant sell it because they have to legally adhere to a 10yr old standard. Let me decide if its worth it or not, not the government!
If the only way a company feels they can guarantee security or whatever on their platform is to lock it down, who's to say otherwise? Let the market decide if they agree with them or not.
If dev's think 30% is too much to give, why join in 10yrs ago and help make the platform big in the first place?
I dont get the mentality. If the market doesnt want apple, it will die. Its that simple.
I really dont want to get in the situation where apple, MS or Google even, make a better plug that has mind-blowing data transfer speeds and they cant sell it because they have to legally adhere to a 10yr old standard. Let me decide if its worth it or not, not the government!
bcortens
macrumors 65816
There is literally one alternative that manages its ecosystem in almost the same way...
bcortens
macrumors 65816
They did try and make it incompatible, the EU forced Tesla to use the same charging port as everyone else and every electric car owner in Europe is better for it.
Kabeyun
macrumors 68040
I guess some folks really require that “/s”.
jakey rolling
macrumors 6502a
Except for those who have already made the mistake of buying into Apple's ecosystem.
There’s nothing massive about the European institutions. The amount of work they do with the number of people they have is pretty impressive. A lot of national governments could learn a lesson or two from them.
Also, there’s nothing bureaucratic about this proposal as it would make a huge impact on our lives and tech. So it’s the antithesis of bureaucracy.
I doubt it. Unfortunately politicians tend to come from legal or finance backgrounds. There are very few politicians with backgrounds in medicine, tech, or science.
The cookie wall legislation could be solved with industry cooperation, and I do think it should be refined so that it can happen. Create categories of cookies, which is what most sites already do. Put a user setting in each browser allowing the user to specify which types of cookies they will or will not allow, then then pass that to each site which can enable or disable the appropriate cookies.
vipergts2207
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Ahhh, so your original statement was just hyperbolic nonsense. I gotcha.