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Is that all?!?!??!?!?!? :eek:
ios13 doesnt seem much different than anything iOS has had since ios 7!!
geez.....
it feels so dated,
I hate it when they bundle their app updates with a new iOS.
OS updates are not the same as app updates.
Apple should update their apps via the appstore.
but i guess if they do that..then their OS update will be close to nothing.
i hope there is a redesign to springboard otherwise this feels so boring and dated.

it was fine for the iphone 3G (smaller devices) but when you have big devices, and youi cant even position your icon at the bottom..it makes it feel so dated and difficult to use.
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The grid works, so why change it? People know how to use it. Also, the home screen is like a door, and the icons are handles. You don't pay much attention to a door, do you? I don't know about you, but I don't spend much time on my home screen, so how it looks means very little to me
The grid does not work when you have an iphone xs max..
the phone is too big for any normal human.
I wish apple took inspiration from others and put some "brains" in their design.
 
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The grid does not work when you have an iphone xs max..
the phone is too big for any normal human.
I wish apple took inspiration from others and put some "brains" in their design.
Before we go saying ios 13 is just another update, let see what Apple brings to the table. I'm hoping for some "special love" for the max.
 
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Before we go saying ios 13 is just another update, let see what Apple brings to the table. I'm hoping for some "special love" for the max.

I doubt the Max will get any "special love" over the XS, X, and XR, but...

For many WWDC keynotes unveiling the new iOS, I've often found that the changes that most interest me are the little things that either don't make the rumors page prior, and sometimes, is even things shown in the background during the keynote, but not spoken about.

I'm not that excited about dark mode, reminders app, sleep mode, Books, Health, etc., but I am looking forward to the updates to the Mail app and the Find My app, and hope there's more improvements to the iMessage app than what's already known about. Apple pretty much always adds smarter capabilities to the Photos app and Siri, so hopefully there's something exciting there as well.

Hopefully it won't be much longer before Apple extends the more advanced Apple Maps data to the East Coast. Their car was collecting data in my area over the last couple of months, so hopefully by the time September rolls around, that'll be complete. Maybe they will announce more features coming to that as well, as they often announce enhancements for it as well.
 
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Cannot believe we will be going into iOS 13 and still no way to put the god damn app icons anywhere I want in a different app icon sized grid! does android have a patent on that or something

Apple is about consistency and order. Android with their skins is a mess. Same for watch faces, thats one more reason Android Wear is on life support.

I wouldn't mind the initial home screen to carry the widgets. I did see a concept where they were and you would swipe up for apps. Likely never happen, but I certainly don't want widgets mixed in with apps. They could do something, but skins and odd sized icons likely won't happen
 
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If iOS13 doesn't have a complete refresh and redesign after the lacklustre iOS12 I'll be so disappointed. The UI is plain and simply horrible. I cant believe we've had those ***** icons for 6 years from a company that is supposes to be world class when it comes to design.
Remember they said ios 12 is boring because they postponed the redesign for 13. I guess that is just another way of saying their developers are incompetent
 
People wanted the overhyped dark mode, now they get it and people still complain
With a sizeable amount of people whining every little bit non stop.
Apple: we don’t have dark mode.
People: we need dark mode!
Apple: (12 years later) here it is.
People: too boring.
Then what does those guys want? I still think Apple should ignore ALL customer requests and pretend that customers are dumb people. Only that will Apple keep innovating without distraction.
 
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All these people hoping it's an early build...

We're the end of May. The release is for September. The first beta-build is yet to be released.

Explain me how there is a chance these screenshots are from a "late" build? o_O
 
With a sizeable amount of people whining every little bit non stop.
Apple: we don’t have dark mode.
People: we need dark mode!
Apple: (12 years later) here it is.
People: too boring.
Then what does those guys want? I still think Apple should ignore ALL customer requests and pretend that customers are dumb people. Only that will Apple keep innovating without distraction.

Too be fair the people saying iOS is boring are not necessarily the same people asking for dark mode.

I agree that iOS has gotten boring in the sense that I don’t see the point in upgrading to the next best iPhone since it’s basically just going back to the same iOS using the same apps the same way as before. Maybe it’s not boring but „majored“
 
Incidentally, yes, they spent what would seem like a lot of money, however, how much money have they spent on stock buybacks? Don't tell me they don't because I know for a fact they do. Also, how much of their money is currently stashed over seas? And before you give me the "everyone's doing it" argument, yes, I know they are. Doesn't make it right. Reality is that the amount of money they spend on software development and product development (including R&D) is small compared to the amount of money they're sitting on.

Yes they spend money on stock buyback and dividends to their shareholders. As a publicly traded company they answer to Wall Street every quarter and one of the ways they return value to their shareholders is through these means.

You might ask, well, wouldn't they get a bigger return if they dumped all of that money into R&D instead of buying back their shares? Sure, it's possible, but there's a couple factors at play here. First, R&D takes time, and shareholders want to see consistent returns (especially when you're as big and profitable as Apple is) so dumping this money into R&D delays their potential return. At the same time it also adds an uncertain amount of risk as it goes from a sure fire "here's the money we earned for you" to a "wait and see what we've got in store" question. What if that new product fails? Second, throwing more money at R&D doesn't solve hard problems. At some point the diminishing returns will kick in and you'll start earning less for each dollar you spend on R&D than you could earn if you spent it else where.

Finally, the cash overseas, was a huge issue until the tax code was redone last year allowing companies like Apple to bring this money back into the states at a reasonable tax rate. Apple is now planning to gradually become cash neutral - meaning they will have equal amounts of debt and cash on the books. However, it takes time to spend hundreds of billions of dollars when you're still making tens of billions each quarter.

I hope you can see that running a business is more than just spend more money and make more money.
 
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Dark mode, white-out mode, grey mode, whatever. Nothing will really matter without the return of intuitive-helping and context-defining borders, buttons, and non-Flat interface cues.
 
Yes they spend money on stock buyback and dividends to their shareholders. As a publicly traded company they answer to Wall Street every quarter and one of the ways they return value to their shareholders is through these means.

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Finally, the cash overseas, was a huge issue until the tax code was redone last year allowing companies like Apple to bring this money back into the states at a reasonable tax rate. Apple is now planning to gradually become cash neutral - meaning they will have equal amounts of debt and cash on the books. However, it takes time to spend hundreds of billions of dollars when you're still making tens of billions each quarter.

I hope you can see that running a business is more than just spend more money and make more money.

Yes, I'm well aware of the fact that Apple (and most corporations) are beholden to the shareholders. But that's precisely the problem. There was a time, before the '80s, when the order of importance for corporations was 1) customers, 2) employees, 3) the company, and 4) the shareholders. This wasn't just something a bunch of guys came together and decided "hey, let's do it this way!" No, it was a natural result of the high marginal tax rates of the pre-80's era. Companies didn't like paying taxes then anymore than they do now. However, because profits are taxed, companies would constantly spend money on employees, new equipment, equipment repair and maintenance, and the company in general, all of which was deducted from taxes owed, meaning less taxes paid. After the 80's, when the marginal rate dropped into the 20 percent range (before settling in the 30 percent range) that mentality shifted. All of the sudden, the shareholder came first and everything else was last. The net effect being that the primary purpose became maximize value at all costs, regardless of whether or not that was good for the company. Apple didn't succumb to that right of way, but once they became increasingly profitable and Wall Street took notice, all of the sudden the pressure was on to maximize profits at the expense of the company and their customers...er...consumers. Now, we're heading towards the dangerous path of turning customers/consumers into the product which will just further erode the already declining view of people as human beings.

As for the cash overseas, of course they did that. Like I said, companies don't like paying taxes, because the concept of the social good has steadily been replaced with hyper-individualism. Me me me! So companies hide their cash in tax havens until they can bribe enough politicians to lower the tax rate to ridiculously low levels so that they can "repatriate" the cash and spend it on...guess what?...more stock buybacks and dividends! Apple may not spend all of their overseas cash hoard that they recently repatriated on that, but you better believe they will spend a fare amount of it on that. There is only one purpose for buybacks and dividends, maximize profits for the investor class. That's it. There is no other purpose. It does nothing for the company, its employees (except the few who were given stock), or the customers.

I do see that running a business is more than just spend money and make money. It's also about the customers who buy their products. Before the 80's, the customer came first and the mantra was "the customer is always right." Now it's about "make as much money for Wall Street and the investor class as possible, screw everyone else!" I'm by no means ignorant of the fact that Apple is "not as bad" as other companies. There are far worse companies. However, all you need to do is peruse the long list of complaints from pro users here and elsewhere to see that Apple has joined their fellow corporations (both tech and non-tech) in favoring investors. They may do some things for their customers (privacy), and that may appear better than most, but it's really nothing compared to what companies used to do for their customers before the pathology of profit seeking took over.
 
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With a sizeable amount of people whining every little bit non stop.
Apple: we don’t have dark mode.
People: we need dark mode!
Apple: (12 years later) here it is.
People: too boring.
Then what does those guys want? I still think Apple should ignore ALL customer requests and pretend that customers are dumb people. Only that will Apple keep innovating without distraction.

What people envisioned 12 years ago is not what is envisioned today. 12 years is an eon ago in tech terms.
 
Yes, I'm well aware of the fact that Apple (and most corporations) are beholden to the shareholders. But that's precisely the problem. There was a time, before the '80s, when the order of importance for corporations was 1) customers, 2) employees, 3) the company, and 4) the shareholders. This wasn't just something a bunch of guys came together and decided "hey, let's do it this way!" No, it was a natural result of the high marginal tax rates of the pre-80's era. Companies didn't like paying taxes then anymore than they do now. However, because profits are taxed, companies would constantly spend money on employees, new equipment, equipment repair and maintenance, and the company in general, all of which was deducted from taxes owed, meaning less taxes paid. After the 80's, when the marginal rate dropped into the 20 percent range (before settling in the 30 percent range) that mentality shifted. All of the sudden, the shareholder came first and everything else was last. The net effect being that the primary purpose became maximize value at all costs, regardless of whether or not that was good for the company. Apple didn't succumb to that right of way, but once they became increasingly profitable and Wall Street took notice, all of the sudden the pressure was on to maximize profits at the expense of the company and their customers...er...consumers. Now, we're heading towards the dangerous path of turning customers/consumers into the product which will just further erode the already declining view of people as human beings.

As for the cash overseas, of course they did that. Like I said, companies don't like paying taxes, because the concept of the social good has steadily been replaced with hyper-individualism. Me me me! So companies hide their cash in tax havens until they can bribe enough politicians to lower the tax rate to ridiculously low levels so that they can "repatriate" the cash and spend it on...guess what?...more stock buybacks and dividends! Apple may not spend all of their overseas cash hoard that they recently repatriated on that, but you better believe they will spend a fare amount of it on that. There is only one purpose for buybacks and dividends, maximize profits for the investor class. That's it. There is no other purpose. It does nothing for the company, its employees (except the few who were given stock), or the customers.

I do see that running a business is more than just spend money and make money. It's also about the customers who buy their products. Before the 80's, the customer came first and the mantra was "the customer is always right." Now it's about "make as much money for Wall Street and the investor class as possible, screw everyone else!" I'm by no means ignorant of the fact that Apple is "not as bad" as other companies. There are far worse companies. However, all you need to do is peruse the long list of complaints from pro users here and elsewhere to see that Apple has joined their fellow corporations (both tech and non-tech) in favoring investors. They may do some things for their customers (privacy), and that may appear better than most, but it's really nothing compared to what companies used to do for their customers before the pathology of profit seeking took over.

You're absolutely right Apple has shifted to prioritize shareholders more over the years, but this is not driven by the company so much as the culture of the world we live in - shareholders drive business decisions in 2019 and unfortunately this doesn't look like it's changing anytime soon. However, as you said Apple still does a better job than most to make their customers feel like they are well taken care of a lot of this is due to their success and ability to still spend billions of dollars a year on R&D, marketing and support. The problem is, and where I think you're coming from, is that Apple has chosen to focus on the average customer. Using your ranking system I think it's something like this.... Shareholders > Average Customer > Pro Customer > Employee.

So yes I think we can expect that iOS and iPhones will continue to be made for the masses with little tweaks here and there that make it more powerful for pro users, but ultimately, the iPhone will always be an iPhone at its core. It's really risky to fundamentally change something that so many people use every day without really complaining about it.
 
It's really risky to fundamentally change something that so many people use every day without really complaining about it.

True, but if they pull it off, it would be worth the reward of taking the risk. Thing is, I think they could pull it off if they really wanted to. OTOH, given today's culture, I'm not sure they would really want to. So maybe they are better off not taking the risk. It's too bad, because it leaves folks like me disappointed and, I think, hurts them more in the long run.
 
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I'm all reading preparing to be disappointing.

No AOD
No PIP
No Split Screen

I'm sorry, but it really is time for an iOS or greater overhaul to iPhone.
 
True, but if they pull it off, it would be worth the reward of taking the risk. Thing is, I think they could pull it off if they really wanted to. OTOH, given today's culture, I'm not sure they would really want to. So maybe they are better off not taking the risk. It's too bad, because it leaves folks like me disappointed and, I think, hurts them more in the long run.

Yep. It's always worth the reward if you pull it off though. ;)

For what it's worth I think Apple could do some amazing things if they did decide to do a fundamental rethinking of iOS. I just don't see them needing to take the risk associated with this kind of overhaul to only address a small group of power user needs.
 
If iOS13 doesn't have a complete refresh and redesign after the lacklustre iOS12 I'll be so disappointed. The UI is plain and simply horrible. I cant believe we've had those ***** icons for 6 years from a company that is supposes to be world class when it comes to design.

You know, I love all things Apple, for years and years, i have macbooks, imacs, etc., but i HATE the iphone. hate the design. my friends laugh when i show them my phone that i absolutely love. its a Lumina 950XL. yup a windows phone, which before you laugh is based on a Nokia phone which were the best phones ever. & I for one was mad when nokia sold out to windows.

i am not an app user, i have an ipad for that, but for the basics, phone, calls, email, simple apps its great and its beautiful. and fuctionality is so easy, easy to use. within two clicks you are where you want to be. I had an iphone for work and hated it, it was set up with those ugly home icons, that didnt move, all the same size, just plain ugly. I also had an android phone which the functionality was just horrible , horrible to find things, to do things, hated that too.

I refuse to buy an iphone until it changes. I seriously wish, apple folks would look at the artistic look of the 950XL and copy some of the features, with this dark screen i can see they are finally getting it, I have had an awesome darks screen for ? 4 years, if Apple would just open themselves to looking at the lumina phones and threw some design money at their iPhones it would be the best of two worlds. It seems like apple as just forgotten about unique designs, stuff that made apple great, and unique and just keeps producing the same dull thing. i'm holding onto my 950XL for as long as i can..when it dies, i dont know what im gonna do...i'm hoping my next phone will be an Iphone but Apple is gonna have to start designing like they used to..
 
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