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Leaked MacBook Schematics Have Aided Independent Technicians Performing Complicated Repairs

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genovelle said:
I don’t believe in the whole right to repair concept. Too many crap people who halfass do stuff. It also ties the hands of the designers. If Apple was forced to put replaceable batteries in phones the life of the device is decreased.
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There are indeed a lot of people who do half-ass stuff, but it's the consumers choice (right) to take that chance and have no claim against the manufacturer if it goes wrong.

Apple does put replaceable batteries in phones. The argument is not how they do it, the issue is that they refuse to allow the battery to be sold to anyone. Why? Simple control and profit, nothing more. The 'safety' argument is a non-starter.
 
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It’s really exhausting to see people throw the planned obsolescence phrase out in regards to Apple but it convinced me they are not really long term Apple buyers. I have 4 working Apple computers in my home. The oldest is my first Mac a Quick Silver desktop from 2001. It still works like new even though it’s been over a decade since I could update the OS. I actually use it sometimes to convert some old music recordings. Two laptops from 2010 and a 2014 mini.

I have had several PCs die the death or just become unusable in this period. Even the throttle gate is a load of crap from disingenuous sources. If Apple had realized there was a way to extend the life of devices with batteries exhibiting end of life characteristics by keeping them from peaking in real time, but decide doing so would hurt sales, that would be the definition of planned obsolescence. They knew those naturally occurring spikes from older batteries would eventually damage the device requiring a new one. The same as with every other phone. They actually did something about it and was attacked as of it was a bad thing. Comical.
 
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LeeW said:
There are indeed a lot of people who do half-ass stuff, but it's the consumers choice (right) to take that chance and have no claim against the manufacturer if it goes wrong.

Apple does put replaceable batteries in phones. The argument is not how they do it, the issue is that they refuse to allow the battery to be sold to anyone. Why? Simple control and profit, nothing more. The 'safety' argument is a non-starter.
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Safety is not a non starter. When some jackleg does it wrong and the phone sets their house on fire or kills a family member, do you think they will bother mentioning cousin Joe repaired their battery? Nope. They will sue Apple. They will be responsible and the politicians who think this is smart will be no where to be found. The same goes for electric cars. They are the same type of battery and when handled wrong they are very volatile. There have been explosions in Apple Stores and even plants related to battery handling mistakes. These are Apple trained people, add a bunch of random folks and you have new headlines every week. It will be a disaster!!!
Even Fedex has special rules: There are several regulations surrounding the safe transport of lithium batteries. Remember: all types of lithium batteries are considered Dangerous Goods and must be handled and labeled properly. The type of lithium battery, quantity, electric capacity, charge and how they're packed.


Lithium battery prohibitions​

Damaged, defective or recalled batteries are forbidden for air transport. However, batteries which have some other defective feature (e.g., batteries with the incorrect model number on the label or batteries not holding enough charge) could still be shipped by air.

This alone is a reason to say NO!
 
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mrat93 said:
Apple will never do this because then regular consumers might start to wonder why Apple charges $400 for 1tb on a Mac and $700 for 1tb on an iPad.
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GREED. That's why. And Apple's consumers are too ignorant to realize they're being badly swindled;

Here's a fairly high end 1TB Samsung SSD for $130: https://www.newegg.com/samsung-1tb-...=1tb ssd&cm_re=1tb_ssd-_-20-147-804-_-Product

Keep in mind, Apple charges $400 for 1TB when you upgrade from the base model... which should be deducted from the $400 upgrade. In reality, you're paying more than $400.

Again: GREED.
 
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genovelle said:
Safety is not a non starter. When some jackleg does it wrong and the phone sets their house on fire or kills a family member, do you think they will bother mentioning cousin Joe repaired their battery? Nope. They will sue Apple. They will be responsible and the politicians who think this is smart will be no where to be found. The same goes for electric cars. They are the same type of battery and when handled wrong they are very volatile. There have been explosions in Apple Stores and even plants related to battery handling mistakes. These are Apple trained people, add a bunch of random folks and you have new headlines every week. It will be a disaster!!!
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That defense is what Apple would use. You do realize that schematics and service diagrams make it easier and therefore SAFER. I haven’t heard of anyone suing a car manufacture or Dell because they got a service manual from them and caused property damage or personal injury.

Having access to genuine Apple batteries rather than a no name counterfeit would REALLY help with safety (not that genuine batteries don’t suffer from defects)

Apple argues allowing someone repairing their device could leave a loose screw that could short out the battery.

Except that argument is moot because that can still happen today just like it could have happened 13 years ago. The risk isn’t increased because Apple also sells parts.

Shoddy workmanship, inexperienced people, etc are always going to exist and can cause issues regardless if they use genuine parts or fakes, have access to schematics and documentation or don’t.
 
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genovelle said:
I don’t believe in the whole right to repair concept. Too many crap people who halfass do stuff. It also ties the hands of the designers. If Apple was forced to put replaceable batteries in phones the life of the device is decreased. The glue and soldering serve a purpose and it’s not to limit tampering, it’s to limit motion. By minimizing moving parts and unnecessary vibrations components work more efficiently and last longer.
I had 3 Palm Treo Smartphones before the iPhone came out. The achilles’ heel of that device was the removable battery. The connection failed over time and had the potential to fry other components under the right conditions.

The iPhone got a lot of heat for no quick swap batteries, but the quality and longer life of the battery and device made a huge difference.
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Too many crap people who halfass do stuff
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Not your problem so why would you be against right to repair?

It also ties the hands of the designers
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If you knew anything about right to repair, it is made very clear that what people are supporting is stopping the purposeful prevention of sourcing the materials/knowledge needed to fix the device yourself.
 
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It's trivial to become a self-servicing account and get a GSX account which gives you legitimate access to all of Apple's service manuals. All you need is photos of your ESD-safe work area and to furnish Apple with the proper business documentation.
 
liketom said:
Big fan of Rossmann on YouTube, what we really need is a law saying the data on the HDD/SSD is the owner's and the hardware manufacturer needs to find a better way for the consumer to extract this info in a hardware fault/planned obsolescence event.

Dam I'd be happy for a removable HD/SSD, what a good idea that'll be!
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This man has an incredible hatred and bad energy. I don't mind his repair movies, but he's just a bad guy.
 
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liketom said:
Big fan of Rossmann on YouTube, what we really need is a law saying the data on the HDD/SSD is the owner's and the hardware manufacturer needs to find a better way for the consumer to extract this info in a hardware fault/planned obsolescence event.

Dam I'd be happy for a removable HD/SSD, what a good idea that'll be!
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Time Machine.
 
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genovelle said:
It’s really exhausting to see people throw the planned obsolescence phrase out in regards to Apple but it convinced me they are not really long term Apple buyers. I have 4 working Apple computers in my home.
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Agreed. I don't want to count the number of Apple devices in my family. But my wife is just now moving off her 10 or 11 year old 11" MBA. And that is only because I bought her a new M1 MBA. I did that more to get her OS current than anything else. That 11" Air still has life in it and will be going back into my inventory for one-off use. Not sure what that use is yet, but the machine is till pumping away and I have no reason not to find s use for it.
 
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Me: Wakes up to the realization that my livelihood depends on leaked documents.
Also Me: Finds a different way to make money.
 
genovelle said:
They knew those naturally occurring spikes from older batteries would eventually damage the device requiring a new one. The same as with every other phone. They actually did something about it and was attacked as of it was a bad thing. Comical.
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Transparency is a hell of a drug.
 
genovelle said:
It’s really exhausting to see people throw the planned obsolescence phrase out in regards to Apple but it convinced me they are not really long term Apple buyers. I have 4 working Apple computers in my home. The oldest is my first Mac a Quick Silver desktop from 2001. It still works like new even though it’s been over a decade since I could update the OS. I actually use it sometimes to convert some old music recordings. Two laptops from 2010 and a 2014 mini.

I have had several PCs die the death or just become unusable in this period. Even the throttle gate is a load of crap from disingenuous sources. If Apple had realized there was a way to extend the life of devices with batteries exhibiting end of life characteristics by keeping them from peaking in real time, but decide doing so would hurt sales, that would be the definition of planned obsolescence. They knew those naturally occurring spikes from older batteries would eventually damage the device requiring a new one. The same as with every other phone. They actually did something about it and was attacked as of it was a bad thing. Comical.
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You should probably research the origin of planned obsolescence before you proceed further. It’s a post great depression era concept implemented by the US government, which was used to stimulate the economy. ie: force US citizens to have to purchase new products to keep the US economy alive. This was done by things like (but not limited to): 1. Discontinuing availability of car parts, 2. Designing parts to fail more often.

Present companies have embraced this and gone on to extend it (ie: soldering components that used to be user replaceable, locking out the ability to start a tractor because a small part had been replaced … a part that the same farmer used to replace on their older tractor for decades before they bought their new one.) Apple being one of those examples. John Deere another example. Both popular examples for good reason.

I should add that using equipment that contains user-replaceable hardware does not support an argument against planned obsolescence and right to repair. Those products may have crashed or failed, but they can be repaired due to the abundance of schematics available for them, as well as ease of replacement of RAM or storage. You can even replace those items in several of the Apple products you mentioned. Try doing that in your newer Apple items. That’s a part of planned obsolescence.
 
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gregmancuso said:
Agreed. I don't want to count the number of Apple devices in my family. But my wife is just now moving off her 10 or 11 year old 11" MBA. And that is only because I bought her a new M1 MBA. I did that more to get her OS current than anything else. That 11" Air still has life in it and will be going back into my inventory for one-off use. Not sure what that use is yet, but the machine is till pumping away and I have no reason not to find s use for it.
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10 bucks says that air will be more stable than your new one. Not yet? Wait till you start having to use dongles regularly. then it will start messing up
 
Spock said:
Batteries are replaceable in an iPhone with very little effort.
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It hasn't been this way since the 2016 SE.

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And I’m not sure why you think replacing a battery in an iPhone decreases the life of the device, that’s just silly.
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That's Apple's official position, that a 3rd party battery repair will cause performance issues:

Apple said:
Last year we introduced a new feature to notify customers if we were unable to verify that a new, genuine battery was installed by a certified technician following Apple repair processes. This information is there to help protect our customers from damaged, poor quality, or used batteries which can lead to safety or performance issues.
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From https://www.engadget.com/2019-08-08-apple-battery-iphone-warning.html
 
liketom said:
Big fan of Rossmann on YouTube, what we really need is a law saying the data on the HDD/SSD is the owner's and the hardware manufacturer needs to find a better way for the consumer to extract this info in a hardware fault/planned obsolescence event.

Dam I'd be happy for a removable HD/SSD, what a good idea that'll be!
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The solution is called backing up your data, you should have ZERO need to get the data back from a computer. If the hard drive crashed you would be totally screwed. You can't rely on someone else to protect your own data on a computer.
 
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mrat93 said:
Rossmann is a funny and brilliant dude. Highly recommend checking out his youtube channel.
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He's the worst rubbish to ever hit YouTube. He uses Apple "fans" to get views on his Apple bashing videos. He's not an authorized Apple repair service. I would never spend a dime on a "technician" that craps on the company that makes my product just for him to make money.
 
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