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Big fan of Rossmann on YouTube, what we really need is a law saying the data on the HDD/SSD is the owner's and the hardware manufacturer needs to find a better way for the consumer to extract this info in a hardware fault/planned obsolescence event.

Dam I'd be happy for a removable HD/SSD, what a good idea that'll be!
YES....we need pols telling Manufacturers how to make their products....what could go wrong? Oh, and while at it: give the 'pols' access to the data also...You already have access to removable : external. Smaller/more integrated is not going to stop....sure there were some who lamented the passing of the vac tube " they were so easy to take out and replace".
 
I don’t believe in the whole right to repair concept. Too many crap people who halfass do stuff. It also ties the hands of the designers. If Apple was forced to put replaceable batteries in phones the life of the device is decreased. The glue and soldering serve a purpose and it’s not to limit tampering.
Simply untrue and not based in reality. Battery tech has improved over the last 15 years.
You don’t understand the right to repair if you’re only think it’s about removable parts.
It’s that a person should have the right to repair (or go where he wants) to have anything he purchased serviced or repaired and not have to go through the expensive Apple route.

like Rossman has shown time and time again, he gets hardware that Apple said was dead, and he repaired it. He cared enough to take the time to fix it rather than force a replacement. Saw one where it was obvious the Apple “genius” actually damaged the MacBook.
Just because it’s Apple who’s “fixing” it does not mean you’ve the best qualified person working on it.
 
YES....we need pols telling Manufacturers how to make their products....what could go wrong? Oh, and while at it: give the 'pols' access to the data also...You already have access to removable : external. Smaller/more integrated is not going to stop....sure there were some who lamented the passing of the vac tube " they were so easy to take out and replace".
Rossman has never advocated external. He’s advocating a more repairable setup. Soldering the SSD is designed for one reason… to make it less repairable.
 
Rossman has never advocated external. He’s advocating a more repairable setup. Soldering the SSD is designed for one reason… to make it less repairable.
Not necessarily. Faster performance if everything is integrated. Micro-soldering is a ridiculous task to perform in the back of any retail store. Do employees really want to be desoldering components from a logic board and soldering components to a logic board. There have been documented incidents in an Apple Store in which batteries have caught on fire while working on them. The company is liable if an employee gets injured. It's one of the reasons they started performing logic board swaps instead of only replacing the battery. Refactoring a logic board should be done at a specialized facility. It's much cheaper to replace the part altogether and recycle the part. Apple will eventually be able to get more than 30% of the material back from parts. I agree with the showing of the part being non-genuine on an iPhone if the repair is not performed by Apple, but I disagree with disabling functionality as a result.
 
YES....we need pols telling Manufacturers how to make their products....what could go wrong? Oh, and while at it: give the 'pols' access to the data also...You already have access to removable : external. Smaller/more integrated is not going to stop....sure there were some who lamented the passing of the vac tube " they were so easy to take out and replace".

100% agree.

Continued discussion of "right to repair" is a dead end.

The market moved on. People should move on as well.

For whatever reason, right to repair has become fashionable for tech people, similar to the headphone jack.

Such a "progressive" community (in many, many ways), but completely regressive on this issue.
 
Simply untrue and not based in reality. Battery tech has improved over the last 15 years.
You don’t understand the right to repair if you’re only think it’s about removable parts.
It’s that a person should have the right to repair (or go where he wants) to have anything he purchased serviced or repaired and not have to go through the expensive Apple route.

like Rossman has shown time and time again, he gets hardware that Apple said was dead, and he repaired it. He cared enough to take the time to fix it rather than force a replacement. Saw one where it was obvious the Apple “genius” actually damaged the MacBook.
Just because it’s Apple who’s “fixing” it does not mean you’ve the best qualified person working on it.

This is my favorite Apple 'Genius' screwup The Apple Store Genius Bar Broke My $5,000 iMac Pro.
 
Lawsuit coming soon from Apple. Pretty sure Apple is not happy with them.

Well, I guess a tiny silver lining from the hack.
I must be the only one who believes that this was all orchestrated and released deliberately by Apple in order to indirectly support the repair industry while avoiding the responsibility and accountability that would incur if Apple officially released these documents themselves.

Think about it from Apples perspective for a second. You want to support the industries that ultimately support your products and ecosystem but the litigation and accountability it opens up for them is not worth the trouble. So how do you throw a bone of assistance without accountability? You orchestrate a leak of documents that will directly assist those involved in the repair of products in your ecosystem while taking none of the credit. That’s why it came from an Apple supplier and not directly from the company itself. It’s a well played move from Apple (if I’m correct in my estimation) and one that serves both them as a company and those who job’s are built around repairing (and supporting) Apple products. It’s a win-win for both sides.

I don’t want to hear planned obsolescence with Apple because I believe the company has a good heart and is satiated by resources already. And good charity is done without recognition. This was the right play
 
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Right to Repair is a marketing myth.

You have a right to do mostly whatever you want to do with your property. I mean, you can't take your iPhone and beat someone over the head with it, but you get the point.

This is a market issue. The market moved on to thinner, lighter, sealed, etc.

The majority of people don't worry about this because of the majority of users know nothing about their RAM and don't consider battery swaps anymore for their phones. This is just the way things are.

Now, people become concerned when they realize they have to buy a new machine because of what used to be a routine and cheap part going kaput. But realistically, given the number of users, how big of a concern is this to most people?

Hey, I wish I could add RAM to my Mac. I wish I could work on my car myself, sort of as a hobbyist.

But I don't have a laptop from 2002 and my car is not from 1968.
Complete baloney from a baloney lawyer (or somebody who says he is).

"This is just the way things are."
NO. This is very deliberate from Apple.

"But realistically, given the number of users, how big of a concern is this to most people?"
It is to me.

"Hey, I wish I could add RAM to my Mac. I wish I could work on my car myself, sort of as a hobbyist.
But I don't have a laptop from 2002 and my car is not from 1968."

Most new PC laptops have upgradeable RAM and storage.

I *do* work on my car myself.
 
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YES....we need pols telling Manufacturers how to make their products....what could go wrong? Oh, and while at it: give the 'pols' access to the data also...You already have access to removable : external. Smaller/more integrated is not going to stop....sure there were some who lamented the passing of the vac tube " they were so easy to take out and replace".
Vacuum tubes might be coming back in the form of nanoscale devices which will be faster than and create less heat than today’s semiconductor devices.
 
The AirTag I received last week had a well kept sticker. Just because FedEx chose to deliver it doesn't mean they are following regulations. If the shipper was careless with declaring the goods, FedEx may not have known what was inside.

I bet you they would care if that battery fell out of a mangled box, exploded and caused a fire at one of their sorting facilities.

I googled why do Lithium batteries require a special sticker and this was the first link.



Does the company that "Doesn't Care" about shipping lithium batteries prepare a 5 page document like the one I have linked above ?
It is naive to think that because some organization has written policies it means they follow them regularly as a practical matter. It isn’t very expensive to create a five page policy. I used to examine banks for a living and they had all sorts of written policies they didn’t follow on a regular basis. The only reason they had policies was because they were told they needed to have them or they would get cited by the government.

The lithium warning sticker is on the outside of the shipping box so FedEx has no excuse for not knowing how to handle it. Of course they would care if it caused a fire at their facility but they couldn’t give a damn after they dumped it on my front porch with the contents falling out of the box. They didn’t even bother to set the box in an upright position to prevent the contents from falling out. Sorry but I expect a higher level of service than them just dumping an opened box on my porch.
 
Rossmann is a funny and brilliant dude. Highly recommend checking out his youtube channel.


Edit: also an arrogant jackass at times.
Thought he was an arrogant jackass too. Then he talked crap about Linus (from the Linus Tech Tips channel), Linus went to his shop and Rossmann turned out to be a regular, funny and nice person. I think his Youtube persona is a quite arrogant guy who mostly insults Apple (which mostly deserves it).
 
His skill makes his money, you're literally just saying how dare he crap on Apple, their laptops break and keep him employed...
LMAO. SKILL. What a strange word to use when Rossman is clearly an shady salesman. Sad that he knows that he will get negative reviews here so he sent people here for damage control.
 
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why doesn’t everybody who advocates for right to repair buy a suitable device?

Fairphone sell spare batteries, cameras, screens, etc for their phones. They also run on Android and they also have repair guides.

Fairphone have been around for years now and offer seemingly what everybody wants, open access to install what you want, and easy user repairability.

Yet their sales are tiny.
 
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why doesn’t everybody who advocates for right to repair buy a suitable device?
I do. That's why I no long buy Macs. I've been using an fugly custom built PC for the past 3 years, multiple VMs (Win10, Win7, Linux). I only lament that I can't use OSX on it.:( I've never lost any data, not even to HD failure (RAID is my friend). Impossible to have any sort of internal RAID with Macs anymore.:mad:

As for my phone, I don't give crap if it craps out. I never keep anything important on my phone.
 
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LMAO. SKILL. What a strange word to use when Rossman is clearly an shady salesman. Sad that he knows that he will get negative reviews here so he sent people here for damage control.
How does one fake the skill of fixing circuitry with their soldering iron and solder?
 
Rossmann is an American hero. LOL @ all the people calling him "arrogant" just because they don't like his deadpan delivery/sarcasm, I've yet to see someone explain what that "arrogance" actually is other than "I don't like the guy". The only arrogance here is coming from people bootlicking Apple.
 
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