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You have to wear a face mask in any weather. How often are you wearing gloves? Most the world never even has to touch a pair of gloves. Everyone wears face masks though...

I think the more pertinent question is, how often are your hands wet? I bet the worlds hands are wet much more often than the world is wearing any sort of mask.
 
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No Touch ID is a massive miss by Apple here. Really bad mistake on their part not including this.

Doubt we'll see longer battery life. 5G will drain it faster, so hopefully the larger battery allows as long a battery as the 11 Pro.
To be fair, it doesn't even mention Touch ID one way or the other in this report (or any other in relation to iPhone).

While it is almost inconceivable for something like that to exist and not have been leaked at this point, nothing has even mentioned it (one way or the other).

And we have the suspicious fact that Apple just introduced this brand new implementation of Touch ID in the side button for a mid-tier iPad. And the overwhelming number of reasons why it would make sense to include in this new iPhone.
 
Yes i do.

also, 5G is not available in most places.
This seems to be what everyone says, yet I checked AT&T's coverage map of my area...an area with reasonable LTE near the main road, but hardly any when you get deep into a neighborhood...and it says it is saturated with 5G. I wouldn't expect my area to be anything special.
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why are people still complaining about the lack of Touch ID. Like the headphone Jack and notch, it’s time to let it go.
Touch ID could easily be introduced in its new implementation of the Side Button to give people options, and also a better 2-factor experience than Double Click The Side Button To Confirm. Heck, that alone is worth it to me.
 
Still debating. I'll make my final decision probably by this time tomorrow...after reading other features specs not mentioned in the keynote.

A 6.7" size...with -HOPEFULLY- a starting size of 128gb is a major plus personally.

My XS Max is still generally fine, its been pretty darn reliable 2+ years in. A slight "workaround" to having Night Cam mode is having an ok-decent app from NeuralCam that came out last Nov. Not perfect but it works to some degree)

But this time last year I really REALLY hoped for a massive design change for this year, sure I like the throwback "iPhone 4'esque" flat sides.

An improved battery over an impressive 11 Pro Max should be cool also - (before OS updates kind of kill that off in time for some?)

The fingerprint scanner..yes I miss it - and being in a store, office, any public spot with face mask required...oh I miss it dearly now! (The face mask wearing sadly isn't going away anytime soon IMO) Did I think it would come to this phone. I never saw any rumors about that so no..I guess not this year.

5G, well right now that doesn't apply to me, - at least according to Verizon coverage maps. It may take another year or more before I see this in my immediate area. The one thing that makes me batty, I get the 4G icon on my XS Max and it's like I'm in a dead zone with no service. Verizon LTE...that seems to be ok though.
 
You have to wear a face mask in any weather. How often are you wearing gloves? Most the world never even has to touch a pair of gloves. Everyone wears face masks though...
No, face masks aren't required in many places. Places that require face masks I've seen many wearing latex gloves. I'd say, maybe a lot of the world could be wearing latex gloves.
 
This seems to be what everyone says, yet I checked AT&T's coverage map of my area...an area with reasonable LTE near the main road, but hardly any when you get deep into a neighborhood...and it says it is saturated with 5G. I wouldn't expect my area to be anything special.
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One neighborhood doesn't disprove the point. Especially when you are talking about AT&T, which calls certain varieties of LTE "5G" (note that their map has a category for "4G LTE" and for "5G" and not for "5Ge." So are you seeing real 5G or 5Ge?
 
One neighborhood doesn't disprove the point. Especially when you are talking about AT&T, which calls certain varieties of LTE "5G" (note that their map has a category for "4G LTE" and for "5G" and not for "5Ge." So are you seeing real 5G or 5Ge?
That is indeed the question. Am I seeing 5Ge represented as 5G on AT&T's "5G coverage map"?

As brazen as they are about the 5Ge branding, I don't think so. They already under went legal pressure over this and agreed to be clear about it everywhere, except that they were not going to change the "5Ge" branding on the service indicator on smart phones: See here.

So no, their coverage map is not showing 5Ge (aka LTE advanced) represented as 5G. Which means my very unremarkable area is saturated with 5G. Which means that many other very common areas are going to be too.
 
That is indeed the question. Am I seeing 5Ge represented as 5G on AT&T's "5G coverage map"?

As brazen as they are about the 5Ge branding, I don't think so. They already under went legal pressure over this and agreed to be clear about it everywhere, except that they were not going to change the "5Ge" branding on the service indicator on smart phones: See here.

So no, their coverage map is not showing 5Ge (aka LTE advanced) represented as 5G. Which means my very unremarkable area is saturated with 5G. Which means that many other very common areas are going to be too.
Here in Silicon Valley, 5G appears to be nowhere. I wouldn’t jump to any conclusions based on your neighborhood. And I still think they include 5Ge in their 5G maps.
 
iPhone 12 for me in May when I am eligible for an upgrade. It will give me time to see if I want to early upgrade.
 
Here in Silicon Valley, 5G appears to be nowhere. I wouldn’t jump to any conclusions based on your neighborhood. And I still think they include 5Ge in their 5G maps.
It certainly depends on where in Silicon Valley as there are a lot of dead zones, but the map indicates pretty decent 5G coverage which either refutes your claim or is a total lie on AT&T's part. (light blue is allegedly 5G).
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I think this article reaffirms that there is no real benefit of using 5G over 4G LTE right now:
But 5G phones can't add as many 4G channels to a 5G channel. So if they're in 5G mode, they're giving up 4G channels so they can use that extremely narrow, often 5MHz 5G channel, and the result is slower performance: faux G. For AT&T, using a 5G phone in testing was often a step backward from our 4G-only phone.


Also reaffirmed by this article:
https://www.androidheadlines.com/2020/05/report-5g-speeds-coverage-t-mobile-verizon-sprint-at-t
 
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why are people still complaining about the lack of Touch ID. Like the headphone Jack and notch, it’s time to let it go.
Except the brand new iPad Air has touch ID built into the home button. Apple doesn't want to let it go. We could easily see this same touch ID featured in future phones.
 
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I want Touch ID back like most people, but Apple probably didn’t have plans to add it this year, and Boom Covid hit. It was probably too late to add it to this years update.
 
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As much as I am excited about Apple going back to the flat edge design of the iPhone, what I'd prefer is to have them use the raw stainless, like they did in the 4, which was my all time favorite iPhone (even with the signal issues).

Visually, the raw stainless gives it a high-end watch-like finish that you also don't need to worry about scratching or wear marks going through a coated color. I think the iPad Pro would also look fantastic with the same raw steel edge with a ceramic glass back.
 
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I switched to X because my iphone 6s+ was starting to slow down. I never liked face id especially when driving and the phone locks. During a trip abroad last year I used 6s+ with local sim and loved how easy it was not to have to look at the phone to unlock. Apple got too smart for the user's own good. I hated face id before pandemic. Now face id is endangering our lives because I have to remove the mask dozens of times a day.

I would have updated just to have Touch ID. In the mask world we live in its ridiculous Apple hasn't implemented this. There is no excuse outside of pure laziness to not do it.
 
No, face masks aren't required in many places. Places that require face masks I've seen many wearing latex gloves. I'd say, maybe a lot of the world could be wearing latex gloves.

So youre going to touch your iPhone screen with latex gloves that you've been wearing out and about touching all kinds of contaminated surfaces that could very well have traces of COVID on them? Youre a special one. By the way, iPhones work perfectly with latex gloves. You've clearly never tested it...
 
Thanks for that. Sounds cool.
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so... rubbish in other words.




No he doesn’t, but we’re talking about his beloved Apple here, which automatically means their 5G implementation is going to be significantly better than that of “stupid dumdum Android”.
He did reply to me with a source: https://www.imore.com/iphone-12-5g-leak-mmwave-us-only-new-smart-data-mode
 
Am I stupid or " Expect at least an 1 hour battery life increase " doesn't mean anything?

Is it 1h standby time, or 1h of screen-on time more?

It will be the standby time like they always claim "21 hours" or whatever claim they will use this year. I wouldn't expect screen time to go up, especially with them shrinking batteries and 5G.
 
This phone was designed over a year ago.

Let's forget about covid for now: if they had the power button touchID for the ipadAir released this september, they already developed it by the time they were developing both the iPhone and the ipadAir. That means they could just include it in an already anemic new iPhone, but decided not to. Supply chains ain't an excuse, there hasn't been covid in China since march, and since then they've been at full capacity like any other year.
 
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So youre going to touch your iPhone screen with latex gloves that you've been wearing out and about touching all kinds of contaminated surfaces that could very well have traces of COVID on them? Youre a special one. By the way, iPhones work perfectly with latex gloves. You've clearly never tested it...
Whether one uses latex gloves or hands that touch surfaces the result is still the same. Personally when I get home I put my iphone into phone soap and disinfect it. It's exactly the same with latex gloves or bare hands. My testing on my ipad 7th gen shows that latex gloves are finicky with touch id. So you would be wrong about never testing it and with everything else in life, these are anecdotal, and one's use case does not fit all.
 
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