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I don't know what I'm interested in with this event. I bought an Apple TV 4K last year, but I would like to see them update the OS. I guess I'm always pining for a better Apple Music experience but they seem to ignore Apple Music at these things so I'm not holding my breath. I would like them to fix Car Play so the phone won't keep crashing on me because that is dangerous but I don't know if they even care about that.

I do have this sudden urge to get a MacBook Air even though I bought an Acer like 2 years ago. I guess I'm pretty set with Apple at the moment and go into this event not expecting very much.
 
Apple doesn’t make any external displays except one. The last external offerings to excuse them leaving the mainstream display market were the LG ones. If Apple has any interest after the lacklustre show that was the Thunderbolt Display, we have yet to see them. I’m not arguing that retina displays aren’t nice but that Apple isn’t into the external display market except for one halo product.

I'm not claiming Apple is likely to re-enter the market. I'm simply answering the question "why would anyone want an Apple display" - because they make displays specifically suited to Macs.

When I said "the displays Apple sells" I was including computers with a built in display. Apple has been very consistent in the PPI of displays in Macs/Displays it sells.
 
Why would a want an _Apple_ monitor? There are plenty of monitors around, for all prices. I can get several models for £80, I can get 2540 x 1440 for just over £200, 4K for similar prices. It's only at the high end, 5k or 6k, where things get expensive.
It needn't be an Apple monitor, but last time I checked no-one else offers a 5k 27" monitor. You're stuck with 4k from Dell, etc which doesn't scale down so nice.

All I want is a 5k 27" monitor, but all the companies seem more interested in GaMiNg! high refresh rates and latency or only go up to 4k. If anyone could just sell a 27" 5k monitor with USB-C and other standard ports, I'd jump at it.

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AirTags just seem like a fake rumour created by Apple to identify leakers. Prior to almost every event they are rumoured, yet they never surface.
 
All I want is the new Apple TV!

Well... and an iPhone with USB-C, but that's a different discussion...
 
It needn't be an Apple monitor, but last time I checked no-one else offers a 5k 27" monitor. You're stuck with 4k from Dell, etc which doesn't scale down so nice.

All I want is a 5k 27" monitor, but all the companies seem more interested in GaMiNg! high refresh rates and latency or only go up to 4k. If anyone could just sell a 27" 5k monitor with USB-C and other standard ports, I'd jump at it.

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AirTags just seem like a fake rumour created by Apple to identify leakers. Prior to almost every event they are rumoured, yet they never surface.
How about a 27" 4K monitor?

Dell isn't the only one, check the Japanese brands NEC, EIZO, BenQ(Taiwan). IMHO the Apple 5K display actually was overpriced, not so reliable and just the pixel density was the selling point, I doubt it was a native 10-bit panel.

Most of us don't 'need' a 5K display ~160 ppi on a 4K 27" is good. Perhaps consider a higher quality display than just the resolution and you'll have a winner without the Apple branding. And read the manual to check their colorspace coverage and signals they can handle - not all can do 4K 60 at 10-bit if you may care about those aspects.

And what they don't tell us is - those nice monitors will handle the scaling properly with their electronics and firmware implemented well. Don't take my word for it -- I do some of this for a living.

Show me a decent 22" 4K monitor or a decent 27" 5K monitor and I will give you my money.

I do not necessarily want an Apple monitor, but there is currently no monitor that satisfies my wants and needs available, at any price, except the XDR. (Cut the chin off a 5K iMac, remove the computer, and sell it to me for $1500 and I would not be unhappy.)

Ready to spend $1500? There are some very good options out there --- search :)

Apple never made a solid prosumer display that can match to some downleveling from the color grading pro displays used in video editing studios - LG 4K & 5K ones were crappy - even the Apple geniuses would recommend against getting one due to their reliability. I understand some of us like things to "match" it all for a well crafted designed desk with all Apple logos, when some may truly care about a good product. Hop over to those Japanese brands for now until Apple can launch their standalone displays that are affordable and as good as some pro grade ones at reasonable prices.

Different note: If money wasn't a concern and I had $5000/$6000 to spend on a monitor, there are a few more compelling options than the XDR display based on the use case.
 
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It would be nice to get a 6th generation iPad mini that looks like a smaller version of the iPad Air 4 in sky blue. Is that too much to ask for?
That's what I'm hoping since the Air 4 was presented... but gotta admit it's very unlikely they'd implement the production force necessary to the task. In the end us iPad Mini users are quite a niche..

But a man can dream.
 
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How about a 27" 4K monitor?

That's a PPI of 163. The default mode for macOS will mean this renders to "looks like 1920x1080". This is what I like to call "my first words" resolution, because everything on screen is ridiculously over-sized, like a book intended for toddlers.


Yes, macOS can still scale this using a virtual frame buffer to a 'better' UI size, but that's computationally expensive, to the point that a 2018 Mac mini will struggle to do it well on anything more than one display.

IMHO the Apple 5K display actually was overpriced, not so reliable and just the pixel density was the selling point, I doubt it was a native 10-bit panel.
Apple never sold a 5K stand-alone display. I would suggest that the issues people have had with the LG UltraFine displays plays a part in the desire for a new first party Apple display aimed at (Con/Pro)sumer level customers.

You mentioned doubting that the LG 5K display is native 10bit - and yet you provide no evidence for this. I've yet to find a review of the display that mentions poor colour reproduction using it. They all seem to praise that aspect.

Most of us don't 'need' a 5K display
Most people don't "need" most things they buy. That's irrelevant here.


~160 ppi on a 4K 27" is good.
Is it better than native 2560x1440 on a 27"? Sure. But a kick in the face is also better than a punch in the balls. Some of us prefer not to settle for the least bad of two **** choices.

Perhaps consider a higher quality display than just the resolution and you'll have a winner without the Apple branding. And read the manual to check their colorspace coverage and signals they can handle - not all can do 4K 60 at 10-bit if you may care about those aspects.

Even if we accept your unfounded claim that for example the LG UltraFine 5K is not "native 10 bit", I would wager that the vast majority of people who are looking for an external display for their Mac, but are specifically not in XDR territory, would notice **** resolution (and the issues associated with the work arounds for it) more readily and more often, than they would notice if the display takes some shortcuts in colour reproduction.

And what they don't tell us is - those nice monitors will handle the scaling properly with their electronics and firmware implemented well. Don't take my word for it -- I do some of this for a living.
You clearly don't do this for Macs for a living. A Mac connected to a 4K or 5K or 6K display, will send a native 4K or 5K or 6K picture to the display regardless of the chosen "looks like <resolution>" setting the user makes, unless the user specifically chooses to use what Apple refers to as "low resolution modes". On most Macs this option isn't even shown by default, you have to use a key/click combination to see it.

Relying on the scaling abilities of your display is a 1990's Windows approach to the issue, and you get 1990s Windows results. It's like when the microwave has a "pizza" button on it. Sure, it can do it. But it's going to be pretty ****** compared to doing it properly.


Also, this is a nitpick: you're saying "don't take my word for it", but then offer no actual evidence of anything you've said besides claiming to do "some of this" for a living... thus... suggesting we can trust your word on this topic.
 
how would  improve the appearance of the Imac?
they seem perfect and very compact as well.

I have one on my desk now. If the left bezel wasn't 30 mm thick I could slide the second monitor much closer, saving space and providing better ergonomics. (The bezel on the second monitor is only 8 mm.)

If the chin wasn't 85 mm, but the display was at the same height, I could fit more underneath the screen, and it would be much easier to reach around to use the ports, which is something I do frequently.

There is room for improvement in ergonomics/flexibility of the stand. More Thunderbolt ports, located more conveniently, would also be an improvement, not to mention Touch ID or Face ID.

How about a 27" 4K monitor?

I'm using a Z27, it sucks. PPI is too low, it is blurry.

Ready to spend $1500? There are some very good options out there --- search :)

I have. Where? Show me. I'll buy one immediately and give you a commission.
 
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That's a PPI of 163. The default mode for macOS will mean this renders to "looks like 1920x1080". This is what I like to call "my first words" resolution, because everything on screen is ridiculously over-sized, like a book intended for toddlers.


Yes, macOS can still scale this using a virtual frame buffer to a 'better' UI size, but that's computationally expensive, to the point that a 2018 Mac mini will struggle to do it well on anything more than one display.


Summed it up well. I like the 'scaled' 1440p resolution that a 5k monitor gives on MacOS. Prior to having an 5k ultrafine at work I used to use 1440p monitors, but the LG just made them look bad. I had the LG at home for a while, but it just doesn't play well with other devices (I had to use a separate monitor for my PC).

I do have the 4k Dell 27" monitor. It's OK as a compromise, but not as good as the LG.
 
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Jon Prosser’s mom : what are you doing in the bathroom so long?

Jon Prosser : mom I’m leaking

Jon Prosser‘s mom : your leaking almost always misses and I have to clean up your mess
 
I really love all my Apple stuff... My iMac, MacBook, iPhone and so on. But please give us a proper SmartWatch. It is a joke it doesn't even last for a day. My Garmin and my Huawei Pro can last for 14 days+ and have the same features... Oh... And they look better
 
When Apple releases AirTags they will also release an updated Apple TV with a remote that can be found with Find My app.
 
I'm not claiming Apple is likely to re-enter the market. I'm simply answering the question "why would anyone want an Apple display" - because they make displays specifically suited to Macs.

When I said "the displays Apple sells" I was including computers with a built in display. Apple has been very consistent in the PPI of displays in Macs/Displays it sells.

Sorry we, me and Gnasher, were discussing external displays specifically with our comments. Internal displays are a well known matter of course.
 
why waste the money on an iPad now. you get the same, more powerful processor in a MacBook Pro or AIR for around the same price.

Now you have cannibalized the iPad sales with ARM Macs.

If ARM MacBooks get touch screens its even worse for iPad sales

much like the iPhone killed the iPod sales.

Because I use my iPad Pro to teach in the classroom, and a laptop just can’t replace my ipad for what I do with it.

Not saying I am in the market for a new ipad, because my 2018 pro is still going strong, but if and when I need to replace it, it will be with the latest and most powerful ipad Apple has to offer.
 
Sorry we, me and Gnasher, were discussing external displays specifically with our comments. Internal displays are a well known matter of course.

I realise you're talking about external displays - that's what everyone is talking about: a potential new Apple external display aimed at roughly the market segment previously held by the TB display and currently held by the LG Ultrafine displays.

The reason I referenced internal displays is because it helps answer the question "why would anyone want an apple display" (with accompanying hand-wavey "there are lots of colour choices, what shade of brown would you like" style misleading claim) and refutes the also unrealistic claim that the only benefit to an Apple display is "desk bling", or that Apple displays are bought in spite of poor specs or quality.

My point is that Apple has been extremely consistent with the PPI of any Mac-focused display they sell: be it external or built in. There is nothing intrinsically different about an external display that prevents manufacturers from making them at reasonable PPI - they just (largely) don't because the target market for "high end" prosumer displays is driven mostly by PC gamers.
 
I realise you're talking about external displays - that's what everyone is talking about: a potential new Apple external display aimed at roughly the market segment previously held by the TB display and currently held by the LG Ultrafine displays.

The reason I referenced internal displays is because it helps answer the question "why would anyone want an apple display" (with accompanying hand-wavey "there are lots of colour choices, what shade of brown would you like" style misleading claim) and refutes the also unrealistic claim that the only benefit to an Apple display is "desk bling", or that Apple displays are bought in spite of poor specs or quality.

My point is that Apple has been extremely consistent with the PPI of any Mac-focused display they sell: be it external or built in. There is nothing intrinsically different about an external display that prevents manufacturers from making them at reasonable PPI - they just (largely) don't because the target market for "high end" prosumer displays is driven mostly by PC gamers.

I’d welcome any new attempt at displays from Apple personally. The current flagship aside there hasn’t been much if anything from Apple since the Thunderbolt Display hence I have doubt that they care about the segment. They could no doubt have pulled something nice out of the hat if they wanted to. But things change in computers, they are rumoured to bring back other things like ports, keyboards are working again etc, why not displays.
 
Not wanting to pay £200 for 4 year old technology, I’d like the things I spend money on to last a little while.
Also I have the previous model Apple TV HD, and the one before that. So I didn’t bother with the 4K one.
Well, you have no idea what you're talking about, so...
 
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