Leaker: Upcoming MacBook Pro to See Price Hike Over Current Model, Equal Performance Across 14 and 16-Inch Sizes

[Michael Scrip]

You forget they raised prices by $300 for the touchbar.

Once again.... no.

I'm gonna restate the comment I made to you earlier... since you don't seem to get it.

Remember back then there were two configurations of the 13" Macbook Pro... starting at $1,499 and $1,799

The entry-level 13" Macbook Pro had function keys and two Thunderbolt ports.

The TouchBar model was the higher-end model at the time. It had four Thunderbolts ports... and a faster processor... and faster RAM... and a faster iGPU.

So it wasn't just the TouchBar that made it an extra $300... even though revisionist historians like to say it did...

 

[richinaus]

Once again.... no.

I'm gonna restate the comment I made to you earlier... since you don't seem to get it.

Remember back then there were two configurations of the 13" Macbook Pro... starting at $1,499 and $1,799

The entry-level 13" Macbook Pro had function keys and two Thunderbolt ports.

The TouchBar model was the higher-end model at the time. It had four Thunderbolts ports... and a faster processor... and faster RAM... and a faster iGPU.

So it wasn't just the TouchBar that made it an extra $300... even though revisionist historians like to say it did...

they will price the computers at the level they think people will pay.

I do love the revisionist historians - make up things so they can justify their anger and frustrations.

 

[rukia]

15+ pages of discussion based on a premise that's incorrect. Performance will not be equal.

 

[macsplusmacs]

What is the name of the fastest Rhyzen mobile chip that will be around in Oct.

Wonder if apple will do a bake off against it at the event.

 

[MrGunny94]

If Apple wants more smooth price curve across all product lines, then they might keep current 13” for a little while. But 14” is not so much different from 13” outside of mini-LED screen and obviously more powerful chip, so you could expect people asking questions on which one is which in Apple Store.

To me 14” should have a in-between price that is in the middle of MacBook Air and a bit higher than current 13” M1 MBP so the price gap won’t be too different. But, if Apple believes 14” and 16” is like 11” iPad Pro and 12.9” iPad Pro, then there will be a bigger price gap.

Yeah I wanted a mid tier device tbh

 

[Cat-Face]

The upcoming 14-inch MacBook Pro is set to be more expensive than the current 13-inch MacBook Pro and both the 14 and 16-inch models will offer the same performance, according to the leaker known as "Dylandkt."

The leaker shared the information on Twitter, explaining that both of the upcoming MacBook Pro models, expected to come in 14 and 16-inch sizes, will feature the same performance due to having the same "M1X" chip.

Currently, the 16-inch MacBook Pro offers a significant performance improvement over the high-end 13-inch models due to its more powerful Intel chips and better thermals, so bringing the two model sizes to parity could be a major boost for owners of the smaller, more portable model.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1430011160267472900

In addition, the 14-inch MacBook Pro will apparently be more expensive than the current 13-inch MacBook Pro. Dylandkt clarified to MacRumors that this relates to the entry-level 13-inch MacBook Pro model with the M1 chip, which starts at $1,299.

Dylandkt also told MacRumors that the 14-inch MacBook Pro will be priced around the current high-end 13-inch model, which it is expected to replace in the lineup, but will be priced much more closely to the 16-inch model due to their similar feature sets and performance.

The current high-end 13-inch MacBook Pro, which still features Intel chips, starts at $1,799. A base configuration with 1TB of storage is also available for $1,999. The current 16-inch MacBook Pro, which is not expected to see a price rise, starts from $2,399. This means that the 14-inch MacBook Pro could be priced in the region of $2,000.

Dylandkt has correctly predicted details about a number of Apple's product launches. As early as November 2020, Dylandkt claimed that the next-generation iPad Pro would feature an ‌M1‌ chip. This was five months before the device emerged. Before the launch of the 24-inch ‌iMac‌ earlier this year, Dylandkt correctly predicted that the new, redesigned ‌iMac‌ would replace the smaller entry-level ‌iMac‌ only and feature an ‌M1‌ chip rather than an M1X.

The new MacBook Pro models are expected to debut around October, offering new designs, brighter panels with higher contrast, an improved webcam, function keys with no Touch Bar, more ports, and a MagSafe connector for charging. For more on what to expect, be sure to check out our dedicated MacBook Pro rumor guide.

Article Link: Leaker: Upcoming MacBook Pro to See Price Hike Over Current Model, Equal Performance Across 14 and 16-Inch Sizes

Been waiting for this for ages. Although pricing is frustrating (arguably outrageous), Apple's need for greed is no surprise. However, I'm still using my trusty 2015 MBP that really - really - wants to have sleepy life messing about with music files. Although costly in the first instance, my Macs have a hard working life and their longevity does seem to balance out in the end. I still have my 2010 MBP and my 2001 iMac - both work perfectly, although the former is on light duties and the latter has retired with a hobby as a very bulky DVD player!

 

[macsplusmacs]

Apple Reportedly Increasing iPhone 13 Prices to Compensate for Increased Chip Production Cost

Apple is reportedly planning to increase the price of the upcoming iPhone 13 series as a way to compensate for the increased costs of chip production...

www.macrumors.com

BUT THEY TOOK AWAY* THE TOUCHBAR!!!!



*seems there was always a model without one/

 

[CWallace]

If a costumer develops some sort of passion for Apple products or aversion to non-Apple products, Apple turns these emotions into a goldmine (as nothing reasonable is driving these prices up).

Well a report just dropped this morning stating TSMC will be increasing prices by up to 20% for deliveries in 2022 so it stands to reason the bulk of Apple's "M1X" deliveries will be subject to a higher price and therefore Apple is "pre-loading" that price increase now rather than launch at a lower price and then raise prices in Q1 2022 and immediately honk off everyone who didn't place an order prior.


And even if there was no price increase, we are getting a more powerful machine for that extra money. The 13.3" Intel model with an i7 is $1999 and "M1X" will be faster. The "M1X" will also have GPU performance equal to a dGPU, which is not an option on the 13.3" Intel model and if it was, would likely be $2199 when matched with an i7. And some say the "M1X" outruns their i9s, which would be $2399 if it was an option on the 13.3" Intel model along with a dGPU.

15+ pages of discussion based on a premise that's incorrect. Performance will not be equal.

CPU performance should be generally equal as "M1X" will have 8 performance cores and 2 efficiency cores and both the 14" and 16" will have the "M1X". I expect Apple will use the same systemboard for both models so they will likely have the same cooling and therefore I don't expect the 16" to see appreciably higher clock speeds than the 14".

GPU performance might differ between the 14" and the 16" depending on if the 14" only gets the 16 core model or if they also get the 32 core model that will certainly be available for the 16".

 

[macsplusmacs]

Going to be kinda weird to see apple year over year provide steady increases in performance regularly.

New machines every year that are faster could the the norm. #gohomeintel

 

[BradMacPro]

If TSMC can and Intel not, it should be superior. Seem so, so far.

 

[cashboxz02]

Lots of R&D behind those machines, so I can see that. And to be fair, they barely have raised prices in the mobiles since the PowerBook G4.

Same power across the line sounds perfect too, especially if there are more ports/features in the larger models. Very reminiscent of the PowerBook days.

I see people justifying their future purchase by listing all these ways the price hike just makes sense. One of the main thing Jobs did was make sure the price for the successors was equal or less. Every year, the computer would be upgraded and the price would remain the same. Inflation existed back then as well, ya know.

But inflation: Look at the consumer price index for computers...it never goes up, regardless of inflation. Any consumer index that goes up means the consumer is being ripped off.

But all that R&D: Look at the M1 chip, which was the result of the bulk of the R&D. The MBA costs $800-900. The leap between M1 and M1X is nowhere near as significant as nothing to M1. So why is M1X so much more expensive?

There's a very good reason why AAPL tripled in price since the launch of the more expensive iPhone X. You're essentially subsidizing the lifestyle of the shareholders with that excess $300 you paid on that iPhone X.

 

[smoking monkey]

15+ pages of discussion based on a premise that's incorrect. Performance will not be equal.

That will all depend on thermals and if the 16 comes with 32CGPU as standard. But if both 14 and 16 come standard with the same CPU/GPU and Ram, it only comes down to thermals. You'd imagine a 14 would throttle quicker than the 16.

 

[smoking monkey]

But all that R&D: Look at the M1 chip, which was the result of the bulk of the R&D. The MBA costs $800-900. The leap between M1 and M1X is nowhere near as significant as nothing to M1. So why is M1X so much more expensive?

It's not just about the M1 chip. The M1X is a different chip and the first iteration. Also, the entire computer is being redesigned. Then add in Mini LED, plus possibly better speakers, better Facetime Camera etc. All those little things add up compared to the M1 macs which were just the exact same kit as previous but with the M1 chip in them. Far less production costs involved.

I'm not saying the price should go up, I'm just pointing out there is a lot more at play with the M1X machines than you've stated in the quote.

 

[anshuvorty]

It's not just about the M1 chip. The M1X is a different chip and the first iteration. Also, the entire computer is being redesigned. Then add in Mini LED, plus possibly better speakers, better Facetime Camera etc. All those little things add up compared to the M1 macs which were just the exact same kit as previous but with the M1 chip in them. Far less production costs involved.

I'm not saying the price should go up, I'm just pointing out there is a lot more at play with the M1X machines than you've stated in the quote.

+ Pandemic > high demand, low supply of chips > higher costs for sure....

Just see what is happening with the iPhone - https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/26/22642627/tsmc-chip-price-increase-supply-shortages-apple-qualcomm

 

[Michael Scrip]

In some cases... prices have definitely gone down.

Let's not forget that the original Macbook Air started at $1,800 and had 2GB of RAM and an 80GB spinning hard drive.

If you wanted 64GB of flash storage back then... the price ballooned to $2,600...

But today you can get an M1 Macbook Air with 8GB/256GB for $1,000

 

[cwwilson]

I can’t wait until these come out because that should help drive down the prices on M1 Airs and I can score one on the cheap!

 

[lowkey]

Sheesh. Here in Australia in the last 12 months the price of pine timber framing has gone up 100% due to pandemic related supply issues. building material costs have been way up.

if these models are up 10% that’s next to nothing in comparison to what’s happening in other industries

 

[McWepeeR]

They can't be that much expensive otherwise everyone will look to MBA/MBP with M1 (Late 2020) instead of buying the new ones with M1X. Unless it's a breakthrough compared to stale models.
That being said,let see and hopefully they are the best laptops so far.

 

[jterp7]

M1 airs are already in full cheap mode.
base model
$750 new
500-600range open box.

If you werent prepared to spend 1799-2000 minimum you werent the market in the first place.

 

[macsplusmacs]

 

[cashboxz02]

It's not just about the M1 chip. The M1X is a different chip and the first iteration. Also, the entire computer is being redesigned. Then add in Mini LED, plus possibly better speakers, better Facetime Camera etc. All those little things add up compared to the M1 macs which were just the exact same kit as previous but with the M1 chip in them. Far less production costs involved.

I'm not saying the price should go up, I'm just pointing out there is a lot more at play with the M1X machines than you've stated in the quote.

When apple had 0 CPU's and then made the M1, that was a major major leap in the entire industry, and required lots and lots of R&D. Apple didn't raise the price for the M1. Still made a ton of profit.
CPU revisions are not nearly as significant as creating a new class of processors ground-up. M1X did not require anywhere as close to as much R&D as the M1. It is still at it's core the same architecture as the M1, and they don't have to create a new kernel or anything like that for it.

Apple redesigns then MacBooks every 4-5 years since forever. The price has literally never gone up because of a redesign, nor should it. This is by far the lamest excuse I've ever heard of. The things you're mentioning upgraded every 1-2 years under Jobs, while the price kept decreasing. Displays, webcams, etc.

The cost of production will be then same, if not less than, last years M1 model, since this years model doesn't require anywhere as close in R&D...and the physical design allows for much much more leniency with these chips, as the thermal requirements are way more forgiving. Like I said, you can justify it to yourself, but the facts don't change. You're paying more solely to subsidize shareholders.

 

[macsplusmacs]

Luke's motherboard grid makes sense to me. 4 options. 32gig ram max.

Me <-- 32 GPU cores 32 Gigs.

 

[CWallace]

One thing to note that the current 13.3" M1 MacBook Pro is $1699 with 16GB of RAM and 512GB of storage.

While it is nice to believe that for $100 more Apple would give us a 14" MiniLED display and an "M1X" with twice as many CPU and GPU cores plus another USB/TB port and MagSafe and HDMI, is that a realistic proposition? And if they did, who would ever buy the 13.3" M1 MBP?

Personally, I say "no" and "nobody" and that is why a presumed $1899 or $1999 price makes sense to me. And is one I am willing to pay.

 

[jdb8167]

He makes too strong of a point that Apple hasn’t made two different size MacBooks with equal performance. That isn’t true. The 13” and 11” MacBook Airs from 2012-2015 had identical performance despite the size differences. After 2015 Apple dropped the 11”. So there is precedent.

 

[CWallace]

He makes too strong of a point that Apple hasn’t made two different size MacBooks with equal performance. That isn’t true. The 13” and 11” MacBook Airs from 2012-2015 had identical performance despite the size differences. After 2015 Apple dropped the 11”. So there is precedent.

He also mentioned the 15.4" and 17" MacBook Pros had identical feature-sets (other than panel size) and that the larger model did not sell nearly as well (to the point it was eventually discontinued). I believe he noted that the 16" might be the only model with the 32 GPU core "M1X" option to give a reason beyond just panel size to order it over the 14".