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LED MacBook Pro Update in June?

Well , your now speaking about Imacs , the macbook pro , are to be renewed before september , because th'ell loose too much clients:!
 
dongmin said:
I would've agreed with you before the MacBooks came out. But now seeing how easy and elegant that solution is, it makes no sense for Apple to leave out such a feature out of a pro machine. RAM and HD are two things users are most likely to upgrade in their machines, so it behooves Apple to make that process as easy as possible.
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Oh - I take it all back - I didn't realise the Macbooks had an easier way of doing.

It would absolutely make sense for any little improvement in the current Macbooks to port to the MBP.
 
Cleaner and greener

Tomaz said:
So is there any other advantages of LCD besides Power Management? What are the expected gains in battery life?
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Don't forget, one of the main pushes toward LCD is the elimination of hazardous materials in flourescent bulbs. Not only better battery life, but much better for the planet.
 
iW00t said:
Skool kids should buy Macbook only.
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What about those who are going to use the graphics power of the mbp? What about those who want a 15" screen over a 13" screen?
What about those who can't stand the keyboard on the macbook?
What about those who can't stand glossy screens?
I understand that you're refering to the macbook's target demographic: students and casual computer users, but that doesn't mean that there can't be students who are heavy computer users as well.
 
CalBoy said:
I understand that you're refering to the macbook's target demographic: students and casual computer users, but that doesn't mean that there can't be students who are heavy computer users as well.
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Heavy users that believe to *need* the most capable computer usually have no problem paying more than what baseline model costs. MBP has "everything" they need so they're not even considering MB an option.

Students on the other hand, while obviously spending lots of time in school and thus needing a computer, are likely on a very small budget. Therefore, it makes sense to offer something that has been made "a little" cheaper by cutting a corner or two. If it's cheap enough, it's great.

What about students who really need a fast(er) computer? There's no hard data available, but I believe "nerds" that have to buy more expensive computer also do not have to buy that many books, which will likely compensate the hardware price difference. But that's mostly guessing.

You tend to put your money where your mouth is, so in other words, by spending money you tend to reveal what's important to you. If it's powerful computer, you just buy one, but if it's something else (than computers in general) you just save money on the purchase. It's really very simple come to think of it.
 
albertperk said:
I'm not sure if I want to be a "beta tester" for these new systems. Especially since it will be my first mac.
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Rubbish. There are people who try to make themselves look "oldskool" by telling scary stories about bad RevA machine of a friend of a friend. Truth is there may be a bad apple on every product line and revision. Apple will also be beta testing their products in-house for longer than you think.

RevA machines can be a great deal, but that's something only time will tell. For example, I have a 1.25GHz 15" PowerBook which is the first 15" book made of aluminum. It has been great buy and after 40 months of heavy use it's still like new (except the display which has lost some of its coating). Also, I have a Quad PowerMac which is the first 4-core and last PPC Mac. Great buy, as there's plenty of power and it's able to run PPC software for many years to come. Not to mention the bunch of RevA dual 2GHz PowerMacs that my friend bought in bulk – those are still very capable workhorses after 4 years of use!

If there's going to be new LED laptops today, I'll be changing my RevA AlBook to a RevA LEDbook. There's nothing to fear!
 
JFreak said:
Rubbish. There are people who try to make themselves look "oldskool" by telling scary stories about bad RevA machine of a friend of a friend. Truth is there may be a bad apple on every product line and revision. Apple will also be beta testing their products in-house for longer than you think.

RevA machines can be a great deal, but that's something only time will tell. For example, I have a 1.25GHz 15" PowerBook which is the first 15" book made of aluminum. It has been great buy and after 40 months of heavy use it's still like new (except the display which has lost some of its coating). Also, I have a Quad PowerMac which is the first 4-core and last PPC Mac. Great buy, as there's plenty of power and it's able to run PPC software for many years to come. Not to mention the bunch of RevA dual 2GHz PowerMacs that my friend bought in bulk – those are still very capable workhorses after 4 years of use!

If there's going to be new LED laptops today, I'll be changing my RevA AlBook to a RevA LEDbook. There's nothing to fear!
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Agreed.

And if it turns out it really is screwed, Apple will replace it with a later version, one where that problem has been fixed.
 
JFreak said:
Heavy users that believe to *need* the most capable computer usually have no problem paying more than what baseline model costs. MBP has "everything" they need so they're not even considering MB an option.

Students on the other hand, while obviously spending lots of time in school and thus needing a computer, are likely on a very small budget. Therefore, it makes sense to offer something that has been made "a little" cheaper by cutting a corner or two. If it's cheap enough, it's great.

What about students who really need a fast(er) computer? There's no hard data available, but I believe "nerds" that have to buy more expensive computer also do not have to buy that many books, which will likely compensate the hardware price difference. But that's mostly guessing.

You tend to put your money where your mouth is, so in other words, by spending money you tend to reveal what's important to you. If it's powerful computer, you just buy one, but if it's something else (than computers in general) you just save money on the purchase. It's really very simple come to think of it.
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I agree with what you're saying, but iW00t is implying that students have no effect, or at least a minimal effect, on mbp sales. As for "nerds" they typically do put their money where their mouths are, by spending more on technology than the average person would (proportionally speaking).
I don't understand why nerds would have to spend less on books, that doesn't seem to correlate to anything.
I do agree that most students will look at the price tag, and go for the macbook. However, as I wrote, there are students who need the mbp, esspecially those who are doing graphic design or photography. For these students, a mb won't do, and as you said, they will never consider the mb. Thus, they have to wait until the mbp is updated. This is the point MArcoetpolo was trying to make. It's not that Apple will lose all notebook sales, but it will suffer in the student market that is looking to buy MBPs.
You are right about how our purchases reveal what we value, but when someone is a graphic arts major, their purchase is dictated more by industry requirements, not by personal choice.
 
OK, I think we need some clarification.

In my opinion, "School" is School, and "Uni" or "College" is University.

Therefore, In my opinion, school students shouldn't need a MBP. If they want one to play games on and do heavy graphics work, that's fine, but it's not really school work.
Surely nobody is saying that no University students need a MBP. That would definitely be a dumb thing to say.

So, MArcoetpolo and iW00t, which one is it?
 
Erasmus said:
OK, I think we need some clarification.

In my opinion, "School" is School, and "Uni" or "College" is University.

Therefore, In my opinion, school students shouldn't need a MBP. If they want one to play games on and do heavy graphics work, that's fine, but it's not really school work.
Surely nobody is saying that no University students need a MBP. That would definitely be a dumb thing to say.

So, MArcoetpolo and iW00t, which one is it?
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Heck, I got through Uni on a Powerbook 160 and a Performa 6200. Macbook ... luuuuxury! :D
 
Erasmus said:
OK, I think we need some clarification.

In my opinion, "School" is School, and "Uni" or "College" is University.

Therefore, In my opinion, school students shouldn't need a MBP. If they want one to play games on and do heavy graphics work, that's fine, but it's not really school work.
Surely nobody is saying that no University students need a MBP. That would definitely be a dumb thing to say.

So, MArcoetpolo and iW00t, which one is it?
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I assumed that "school" was referring to the University level because of the EDU discount. You bring up a good point, one that needs to be clarified before we all begin to argue over semantics.
 
CalBoy said:
It's not that Apple will lose all notebook sales, but it will suffer in the student market that is looking to buy MBPs.
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Student market is not important at all *right now*, beucase academic year is ending and purchases for coming academic year can easily wait several weeks or even few months. Should they be able to refresh their product line during that time frame, then everything is fine regarding the student segment.

CalBoy said:
You are right about how our purchases reveal what we value, but when someone is a graphic arts major, their purchase is dictated more by industry requirements, not by personal choice.
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Industry requirements might be the primary reason for hardware purhcase, but there's still the personal choice of being in the industry in the first place. I for example love music and because vast majority of studios use Protools, that's what I use too. But I didn't choose to buy Protools rig because industry recommends it. I choose to buy it because I chose to make music. It's only sane to buy whatever makes the job done easier. There's absolutely no reason to try to go against the flow, unless you know for sure that the flow is going to the wrong direction.
 
MArcoetpolo said:
SEptember?!
I realy think this is not possible , until september apple would loss the scool sales...
and this is not a good strategy..
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JFreak said:
Student market is not important at all *right now*, beucase academic year is ending and purchases for coming academic year can easily wait several weeks or even few months.
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September would be too late for the academic market. Many students begin in late August, which means that they shop for their computer in late July/early August.

JFreak said:
Industry requirements might be the primary reason for hardware purhcase, but there's still the personal choice of being in the industry in the first place.
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I think not doing what you love because the industry uses technology you don't like would be absurd. Either way, that's not what we're discussing here. We're talking about the grade of the required purchase. In reality, that is the difference between the mb and mbp.

JFreak said:
I for example love music and because vast majority of studios use Protools, that's what I use too. But I didn't choose to buy Protools rig because industry recommends it. I choose to buy it because I chose to make music. It's only sane to buy whatever makes the job done easier.
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You wouldn't use something in lieu of Protools, but you might want the most recent one correct? The same is true for graphic designers. They wouldn't use a Windows laptop in lieu of a Mac, but they would want to have the system that is best suited to their needs. That's what we're discussing here. For the graphic designers, the mbp is needed in order to get the job done easier.
 
CalBoy said:
For the graphic designers, the mbp is needed in order to get the job done easier.
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Perhaps. For many, however, the easiest way to get the job done would be to use existing software version with the hardware one already has. For example, as long as the designer chooses to keep using Adobe CS1 with a PowerBook, there's very little a new MBP could do to make it any easier.

But once the designer feels the urge to upgrade software to Adobe CS3 which runs natively on Intel hardware, then that decision likely affects to feeling the urge to buy new (Intel-based) hardware.

For a graphic designer *software* is more important than hardware and the most important hardware is your display; that I have learnt from my fellow designers. And before CS3 came out, my fellow designer friends actually preferred PPC hardware because Intel hardware didn't make it any faster, only hotter inside and fan always on.
 
CalBoy said:
You wouldn't use something in lieu of Protools, but you might want the most recent one correct?
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Yes, I would not change Protools. And no, the most recent version is not top priority. In realtime systems *stability* is the most important aspect and very much more important than any new feature. Most production systems are lagging several versions behind because audio engineers want to first test new systems with non-critical projects. As we're talking dozens of audio tracks being processed within a fraction of a millisecond, that leaves no time for any kind of error.

But yes, I'd take PT7 over a PT5 any day. It's just that I would not let an artist see a PT7.4beta but would be much more comfortable using PT7.3
 
eenu said:
no updates then :(
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I think it's a little amusing how we get our hopes up so easily. I have to admit that even I was expecting an update today (although there was no reason to expect one). I don't see how Apple plans on selling many mbps, as in some respects, the current mb is acctually superior (HD on the black model, better superdrive, and the same speed). Wouldn't this kill mbp sales until they're updated?
 
eenu said:
Why was there no reason? How about the purchase of all those LED backlit screens
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I meant that we had no reason to expect an update today. The updates could come next week, tomorrow, next Wednesday, whatever. There was nothing holding the updates to today.



eenu said:
Think you just rubbished your own first sentence by giving us the biggest reason why we were expecting it!
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True, but Apple has done this before. Remember the iBook/Powerbook days?
 
CalBoy said:
come next week, tomorrow, next Wednesday, whatever. There was nothing holding the updates to today.
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Actually a member has been posting through numerous threads that he had it on good info it would be today due to stock shortages of the old ones
 
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