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LED Screens in All MacBooks by 2009?

When I got my MacBook about 6 months ago I thought the screen was great, but now I think it's dimmer and more yellowish. At certain angles, you can't even see the blue/white lines in Finder or iTunes lists (it just appears all white).

I really didn't notice the problem until I got an HP 20" LCD for my Mac mini--and for only being $200, it's amazing (at least to me, I probably am not a connoisseur of LCDs). But, having it side by side with my MacBook, the HP LCD is super bright and has a cleaner white look to it.
 
I love the LED backlighting on my 17" MBP. It's just another feature of the computer that simply works as advertised. Exactly as advertised. Highly recommended over the non-LED laptops we use at work.
 
blk88memorz said:
1.Does this mean that there isnt gonna be a MB revision in Q3 2008?
2.Does this mean that there is gonna be a MB revision, but LED backlit screens will come later in 2009?
3.Or does this mean that this article is just a rumour and there are gonna be new MBs in Q3 2008 with LED blacklit screens?

Apple pls pick one of the above.
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I'm sure Apple has already picked. :)
 
guzhogi said:
Plus, I hope the ACDs get built-in iSights & better resolution in the 20" and 23".
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They won't put better resolution on the 23". It already has the max resolution that a Mini or Macbook can drive. In the unlikely event that they put graphics hardware in those machines that can drive a 30" ACD then a higher-resolution 23" might make sense.
guzhogi said:
Maybe HDMI & HDCP too so we can watch HD movies.
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I'd rather go straight to DisplayPort and leapfrog over HDMI.
 
guzhogi said:
Funny, I thought MBs already had LED screens. Meh. Whatever. Hopefully, LED screens will be standard on all laptops & the ACDs. Plus, I hope the ACDs get built-in iSights & better resolution in the 20" and 23". The 17" MBP already has the option of having the same resolution as the 20" display! Maybe HDMI & HDCP too so we can watch HD movies.
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Actually, the 17" base model is the same as the 20" in number of pixels, the upgrade is the same as the 23".

I'm not aware of any higher resolution (in ppi) desktop displays. Desktop displays are all about 100ppi for generally good reasons. Notebooks are denser for portability, and I think also the fact that notebook screens are usually closer to the user too. The ACDs use a better quality screen, not only are the backlights more even, ACDs use 8 bit panels vs a dithered 6 bit panel that describe most notebook displays.

bigwig said:
I'd rather go straight to DisplayPort and leapfrog over HDMI.
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HDMI is for entertainment systems, DisplayPort is for computer displays. I'd actually like to have a screen that does both.
 
As I stated several times Feb / March next year will be the most exciting update to the laptop lines ever. Most things will change.

Buy when you need the system....... but if you can wait ..... boy you are going to drool in Feb/March update.

Like watching a sunset from a different planet.
 
guzhogi said:
Funny, I thought MBs already had LED screens. Meh. Whatever. Hopefully, LED screens will be standard on all laptops & the ACDs. Plus, I hope the ACDs get built-in iSights & better resolution in the 20" and 23". The 17" MBP already has the option of having the same resolution as the 20" display! Maybe HDMI & HDCP too so we can watch HD movies.
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The screens are LCD panels, but the light that shines thru the screen is not. The LED lighting is much brighter than the current ccf and more contrasty.

MB does not have LED lighting, but MBP 15" and AIR do, and is also available for MBP 17" for $100 BTO.

Not sure when we will see the 23 and 30 Inch monitors going with LED. According to Apple is a matter of cost for larger panels. However the iMac 24 has it and the 23 inch monitor does not. What's up with that?

IMac screen is probably a cheaper panel than Apple would use for their professional 23 inch monitor, so they are probably waiting for cheaper LCD screens and cheaper LED lighting. -- Just a guess.
 
motulist said:
CCFL lights grower dimmer over time. So unless you're comparing a brand new CCFL screen to an LED screen then you aren't seeing an accurate comparison of what the two were initially capable of. Analogously, gas powered cars get fewer and fewer miles per gallon as the car ages. So if you compare the MPG that you get on a 5 year old gas powered car to a brand new gas/electric hybrid of a similar make and model, then you aren't making a meaningful comparison.

Don't get me wrong, LEDs sound like a much better technology than CCFL, I'm just pointing out an important nuance that most people ignore when comparing the two.
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Yes, I know what you mean - and I knew I should've mentioned that when I posted :D My girlfriend's macbook was less than a month old - and yes, there was a bit of time given to warm up.
Even if my own subjectivity is giving weight to the brightness factor, it's still enough for me to be convinced.
 
EagerDragon said:
The screens are LED panels, but the light that shines thru the screen is not. The LED lighting is much brighter than the current ccf and more contrasty.

MB does not have LED lighting, but MBP 15" and AIR do, and is also available for MBP 17" for $100 BTO.

Not sure when we will see the 23 and 30 Inch monitors going with LED. According to Apple is a matter of cost for larger panels. However the iMac 24 has it and the 23 inch monitor does not. What's up with that?

IMac screen is probably a cheaper panel than Apple would use for the professional 23 inch monitor, so they are probably waiting for cheaper screens and cheaper LED lighting. -- Just a guess.
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But this LED lighting thingy is better right? Why do you need to pay a 100 dollar more to have that new shiny thing on your 17" MBP, while the 15" has it as a standard? It sounds strange to me, because I assumed the 17" MBP is the top of the line.. So with all the extras including this LED lighting, and if you want that on your 15" you should pay a hundred dollars more.. But that's not the case..?
 
EagerDragon said:
As I stated several times Feb / March next year will be the most exciting update to the laptop lines ever. Most things will change.

Buy when you need the system....... but if you can wait ..... boy you are going to drool in Feb/March update.
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LOL - that was the same response you gave me when I was considering buyuing my macbook last month..... Anyway, I bought mine and could not be happier. as a switcher from Windows/PC, I found that I could dump 1/2 my software. My work is even looking at macs as we do everything over the internet. I opted to be one of the first "real user" testers for our support division. I hope they let me.....

As for the LED thing. I would have to agree with some people, there have been so many rumors for a long time - I thought they were LED by now. Anyway, anything to help battery life would be nice. The toshiba I used to own (which I gave to my pastor, he needed a cheap laptop that ran XP) was 7 years old and ran 5 hrs on a battery. My Dell which is 2 yrs old runs about 2 hrs on a battery. My Macbook gives me about 2/2 to 3 hrs on a battery.

My macbook is only going on 2 months old, so I have not seen some of the screen issues (yellow, dimming, flicker, colorwash) that some of you all have reported. Since I bought the applecare warrenty, if it does that, I will have it replaced.
 
SFRtje said:
But this LED lighting thingy is better right? Why do you need to pay a 100 dollar more to have that new shiny thing on your 17" MBP, while the 15" has it as a standard? It sounds strange to me, because I assumed the 17" MBP is the top of the line.. So with all the extras including this LED lighting, and if you want that on your 15" you should pay a hundred dollars more.. But that's not the case..?
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It's not strange, the $100 option buys you a higher resolution screen. I think the original high res upgrade was a fluorescent backlight, now the option includes backlighting. LED is kind of a bonus. I think it might have to do with what size & resolution screens are available in LED backlight form.
 
SFRtje said:
But this LED lighting thingy is better right? Why do you need to pay a 100 dollar more to have that new shiny thing on your 17" MBP, while the 15" has it as a standard? It sounds strange to me, because I assumed the 17" MBP is the top of the line.. So with all the extras including this LED lighting, and if you want that on your 15" you should pay a hundred dollars more.. But that's not the case..?
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Why? --- Because Apple decided to charge 100 more (smartass answer, LOL).
But likely because as the panel gets bigger, the number of defects increases, as such it is more rare to produce a perfect 17 inch panel than it is to produce a perfect 15 inch panel. If the number of perfect panels is lower, then the cost to manufacture them is higher and as such Apple pays more.

Apple does not like to raise the price of their products so they offer it as BTO. When it gets a little cheaper, Apple will make it standard. Probably early 2009.

Also the screen that you get with the BTO is more dense (more pixels) so it cost more. So the 100 buy you a combination of better screen and better lighting.
 
EagerDragon said:
Why? --- Because Apple decided to charge 100 more (smartass answer, LOL).
But likely because as the panel gets bigger, the number of defects increases, as such it is more rare to produce a perfect 17 inch panel than it is to produce a perfect 15 inch panel. If the number of perfect panels is lower, then the cost to manufacture them is higher and as such Apple pays more.

Apple does not like to raise the price of their products so they offer it as BTO. When it gets a little cheaper, Apple will make it standard. Probably early 2009.
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Yeah I'm very skeptic sometimes ;). But that makes sense :).
 
I hate to be a stickler, but this just annoys me to no end. :p

It's not a LED screen. It's an LCD screen with LED backlight.

I know I know. I just couldn't help myself here.
 
~Shard~ said:
Hopefully this will pave the way for PLED technology shortly thereafter. ;)
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Whats that ?

Anyway - I would hope for LED in the cinema displays. Would like to get a 30" one but I will definitly wait for the LED background because I think such a display lasts very very long, like 20 years.
 
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I don't understand why its taking Apple this amount of time to rollout LED displays. Doesn't Sony have OLED display out already - by the time Apple gets to OLED Sony may be on the next generation tech.
 
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...macbooks_to_use_led_backlighting_by_2009.html

QUOTE: "Jobs in the same letter added that Apple also has a plan to completely eliminate the use of arsenic in all of its displays by the end of 2008."

So does this mean that hell will officially freeze over and the FREAKING Cinema Displays will get an update at least by the end of this year??? PLEASE for crying out loud.

Seriously, is it so much to ask for a built in iSight, remote sensor, new panels (don't even have to be LED yet), and a little slimming??? I mean they discontinued the external iSight like what, over a year ago with nothing to replace it since. Come on Apple!!! :mad:
 
MacFly123 "Jobs in the same letter added that Apple also has a plan to completely eliminate the use of arsenic in all of its displays by the end of 2008."

So does this mean that hell will officially freeze over and the FREAKING Cinema Displays will get an update at least by the end of this year???

Seriously, is it so much to ask for a built in iSight, remote sensor, new panels (don't even have to be LED yet), and a little slimming??? I mean they discontinued the external iSight like what, over a year ago with nothing to replace it since. Come on Apple!!! :mad:
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-Yes, this means that we will se upgraded ACD this year.

:confused:But seriously man, LED displays is a MUST if I am even going to consider buying a new laptop. I agree on the slimming part, though:D
 
wow. who ever wrote this article has no clue what they're talking about. from apple:


"15-inch MacBook Pro

15.4-inch (diagonal) antiglare widescreen TFT LED backlit display with support for millions of colors; optional glossy widescreen display"

"Optional 17-inch (diagonal) antiglare TFT widescreen LED backlit display with support for millions of colors; optional glossy widescreen display"
 
LED backlit displays might be the future, however at present I am happy with my Cathode Backlit display as I still find it too bright even on the min setting for both 24" and 17" Hi-Res. :eek:
 
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