Leopard and Boot Camp: Faster "Restarts"

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    One promising feature that wasn't mentioned in Apple's keynote speech about Leopard is a feature that was originally described on Apple's Leopard Bootcamp page:
    Curiously, the feature was removed from the page since it was posted, but a Google cache remains available.

    Update: One comment indicates that this features has indeed been pulled:

  2. dartzorichalcos macrumors 65816


    Mar 23, 2007
    That will get more PC users to switch to the mac.
  3. Luis macrumors 65816


    Jul 19, 2006
    Costa Rica
    But why then did they pull it out from the web-site??
  4. Grimace macrumors 68040


    Feb 17, 2003
    with Hamburglar.
    soooo......for the dummy in the crowd (me) is this considered virtualization because you don't have to physically reboot? Or is virtualization the ability to see another OS in a window while everything else remains functional?

    I guess I kinda know the answer...but it does make me think of what is most appealing to consumers. Would you spend $80 to use OSX and XP/Vista simultaneously? I think the hassle of having to fully reboot was the only thing that really turned me off of BootCamp originally.
  5. mikeinternet macrumors 6502a


    Nov 1, 2006
    Oaklnad, CA
    i wonder why steve didn't mention this.

    instead he tells us the obvious... 'it'll be packaged with the new os.'

    ...not that i have any personal interest in running windows in any way.
  6. iceflyhigh macrumors newbie

    Jun 12, 2007
  7. EricNau Moderator emeritus


    Apr 27, 2005
    San Francisco, CA
  8. flopticalcube macrumors G4


    Sep 7, 2006
    In the velcro closure of America's Hat
    Maybe they are considering pulling it from the final release?
  9. PlaceofDis macrumors Core

    Jan 6, 2004
    they probably need to do some further testing and thus don't want to promise it. also they probably don't want to piss off parallels and vmware so they'll keep it hush-hush for now. i hope it makes it into the final release though.
  10. bdj21ya macrumors 6502a


    Sep 13, 2006
    This is hibernation and safe-sleep mode. All things you can already do with Tiger and XP or Vista (though I'm not sure Tiger's Safe Sleep allows for booting to another OS, both XP and Vista already allow for this).

    However, I'm somewhat doubtful. If you use Hibernation in XP and then write to the volume it is using, it completely screws up the files. I hope Apple is testing for this and making a protection against it. Of course IF you use NTFS for Windows XP, it wouldn't be a problems for most users (since you can't write to NTFS from OS X without a special program).
  11. arn macrumors god


    Staff Member

    Apr 9, 2001
    The difference is that in this situation, the you can't run Mac OS X and Windows applications simultaneously... whereas in Parallels and VMWare you can

  12. danielwsmithee macrumors 65816

    Mar 12, 2005
    This Feature Has Been Nixed

    I have it on good report from someone attending WWDC that this feature has been nixed.

    He mentioned this feature to the Apple BootCamp build engineer. Who responded that this feature will not be supported. The engineer then called the Apple BootCamp program manager who "freaked out". Within an hour it was removed from the website.
  13. rainydays macrumors 6502a

    Nov 6, 2006
    This is pretty much what BeOS did in the R5 PE release :D But it only worked one way though.
  14. ajhill macrumors 6502

    May 2, 2007
    Now we're talking

    Wow, what a cool feature. Why the heck didn't Steve Jobs demo this yesterday. This "secret feature" would have brought the crowd to their feet! Okay, well it might have gotten them to stretch a bit. But its a lot more useful than some of what they showed yesterday.

    I do think Leopard will be a big hit. Just hope the clean up the code before October. Much better than Vista.

    Hey Steve, don't tell us you are taking this Killer app away from us?!!!

    Bring "Insta Switch" back!!!!!!! Okay you come up with a better name...because fast switching isn't nearly as cool a name as this feature deserves.

    Now THIS is why I use a Mac, great features like this!!!
  15. Luis macrumors 65816


    Jul 19, 2006
    Costa Rica
    Hope not... this is a great feature, as was Home on iPod *wonders why it was nixed*:eek:
  16. GregA macrumors 65816

    Mar 14, 2003
    Sydney Australia
    Virtualisation really means that the OS (Windows) is running on a virtual machine - not the REAL machine. One side effect of this is that you can run another OS while your actual OS remains functional so you can have both doing their own thing. Parallels & VMWare (& Virtual PC) put this virtual OS in a window - and Parallels/VMware even integrate Windows' individual apps into the OSX desktop.

    The new boot camp feature is just a quick and easy way of switching entirely between OSX and Windows. Neither is a virtual machine - they each run entirely on the actual hardware (and thus Windows requires drivers for your Mac hardware, as OSX does).

    It's great to see this kind of quick switch. Sleep one, then wake the other - I was hoping for something like that (though virtualisation is still useful to me!). If Apple integrates some flash ram in the future, for quick sleep/wake up, it could be very quick to switch OSes.

    Anyone know how fast the OSes switch with this feature now?
  17. dongmin macrumors 68000


    Jan 3, 2002
    (Not to encourage anyone to break their NDAs, but...)

    Can anyone with the beta confirm whether this feature is IN or NOT?
  18. Peace macrumors Core


    Apr 1, 2005
    Space--The ONLY Frontier
    That's exactly why it was pulled from Apple's site.They wanted Parallels to get as much money as they could before introducing fast O/S switching.
  19. Luis macrumors 65816


    Jul 19, 2006
    Costa Rica
    I certainly would have preferred to see this demoed than spaces or one of the ones we had already seen...
  20. iSee macrumors 68040


    Oct 25, 2004
    It's removal from the features page must mean it's getting yanked from the final release. It's just too cool not to brag about. Oh well.

    The only reason to pull it would be if it wasn't stable, so I guess it's the right thing to do. Maybe they can work out the bugs for 10.5.1+.
  21. bigjohn macrumors 6502


    Oct 1, 2000
    Monrovia, CA
    Is it me or is Leopard turning into a "point release" for Tiger? It's sounding alot less like a revolutionary new way of working and more like OS 10.4.11
  22. Westside guy macrumors 603

    Westside guy

    Oct 15, 2003
    The soggy side of the Pacific NW
    I always love these sorts of reports.

    "My cousin's dating this girl who knows someone who works on Boot Camp for Apple. That person overheard a guy telling his wife that Steve Jobs was so upset he started eating babies! It's true!"
  23. zwida macrumors 6502a


    Jan 5, 2001
    Agreed, but there seems little chance that they'd implement a feature like that in a Leopard.1 release.

    Too bad. For my needs, that kicks the crumbs out of virtualization.
  24. Freyqq macrumors 601

    Dec 13, 2004
    Unless if it takes less than 2 full seconds to switch OS, I don't think it will be a parallels killer. Parallels is for running osx and windows programs SIDE BY SIDE. If it's in the developers build, which is supposably feature complete, i'd say it'll be in the final release. If not, I doubt they'll add it now that it's off the website. Great idea though. Maybe someone will figure out a way to do this third party if not.

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