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In addition to new features/eye candy and stability, I hope they're working hard on security. 10.5 needs to be the most secure OS X yet. I have a feeling that we're on borrowed time as far as exploits go - recent bumps in market share are making the Mac more of a target.

I think that's very true. I'm proud of OS X's history of security, but Apple can't go on resting on its laurels. Talented hackers are out there.
 
I went to transfer the important stuff to the powerbook but as Satan would have it, the powerbook can't find it's own OS. :cool:

So I'm now frantically trying not to think about it and distracting myself with this forum!

thats the way to do it =]
 
In addition to new features/eye candy and stability, I hope they're working hard on security. 10.5 needs to be the most secure OS X yet. I have a feeling that we're on borrowed time as far as exploits go - recent bumps in market share are making the Mac more of a target.

Of course it will be, apple has a new reputation they have never had before what with all the switchers, and they gotta show that apple isnt just a joke company.

Have I missed something?

Where are the SECRET NEW features that Jobs hinted at. The ones he said he wouldn't reveal to avoid the photocopiers starting. Vista is out so why hide them now?

Surely brand new features need developer testing too.

What have I missed?

Ah, get over it, youll love the OS and youll go out and buy it any enjoy it, and it will be a great OS. Although i have no doubt that there is somethng that apple isnt showing anyone. Besides the fact that Vista isnt even technically fully out, since they are coming out with an update in a couple of months.
 
In addition to new features/eye candy and stability, I hope they're working hard on security. 10.5 needs to be the most secure OS X yet. I have a feeling that we're on borrowed time as far as exploits go - recent bumps in market share are making the Mac more of a target.

There's no point putting icing on a cake that tastes like poop! And who wants icing on a cake that tastes nice if any bum can steal it!
 
New Finder must be in the cards

The closer we get to spring, the less and less likely it seems to be that these secret features Steve alluded to last year is going to be an integral part of the OS which, to me, points to one of two possibilities: 1) a new app that ships with the OS (e.g., something like Automator, Photo Booth or Dashboard) or, 2) a new Finder. (Those of you who understand the Mac OS better than average will know that these two scnearios are actually one and the same as the Finder is just another app, but you get the point.) It's hard to see how it could be anything else this close to their release time frame. A separate app could be tested and bug-fixed in-house.

If it's a new app that ships with the OS, then I suspect it will be something that enhances or works with the iPhone and perhaps includes features that may be put to good use independently of the iPhone in some way. That would explain the secrecy from last year.

If it's a new Finder (and that's where my money is) it's likely that's when we'll see the new UI, new features (tabbed windows), and faster file access. I tend to think that's the most likely thing as we've seen virtually no change the in Finder in the leaked screenshots and I can't think of a release of OS X that didn't have significant changes to the Finder.

Just my 2 cents.

BTW, some of you newer members trying to cast aspersions on Apple for Leopard being "late" (which it isn't) let me tell you, it makes you look like some kind of troll. I'm already suspicious of how often I see newer members making un-called for negative comments about the Mac or Apple. It's really not necessary and this is the wrong place for it. I've been on this site for years, and I can assure you that nobody expects you to be an Apple cheerleader, but overly negative behavior kills the spirit of this site. Respect that, please by making your complaints legitimate ones. :)
 
I may be way of base here...

but what if Apple are much further along than the latest build may indicate? I mean, what if a lot of the know bugs are in fact resolved but not yet put into the build? I don't know if Apple woulod do this but it could mean Leopard will be out sooner than later and Apple are downplaying the relaease timeline for some reason? Maybe to let Microsoft think they are at an advantage with Vista already out there yet no really a complete OS either?

Dunno?
 
The closer we get to spring, the less and less likely it seems to be that these secret features Steve alluded to last year is going to be an integral part of the OS which, to me, points to one of two possibilities: 1) a new app that ships with the OS (e.g., something like Automator, Photo Booth or Dashboard) or, 2) a new Finder. (Those of you who understand the Mac OS better than average will know that these two scnearios are actually one and the same as the Finder is just another app, but you get the point.) It's hard to see how it could be anything else this close to their release time frame. A separate app could be tested and bug-fixed in-house.

Interesting thought, but do you really think that Apple would release a new Finder after only in-house testing? After all, to most people the Finder IS the Mac, and a buggier-than-usual Finder revamp would be tough for Apple to live down. I think that it would be nearly impossible for them to do all the testing that needs to be done without outside developers' help.
 
Secrets...shhh! Don't tell.

Steve'o will release the secret features at WWDC and hand-out beta CDs of Leopard to all attendees. An open beta program will be opened to the general public for $19.95, which will be discounted from the full release when it ships.

But wait! There's more! What's this??? Leopard Server is such a huge leap over Tiger's server technologies that it will not even ship until November and will include Vista Server blasting features (i.e. an Exchange Killer collaboration services suite).

Order now within the next 10 minutes and Apple will throw-in iWorks 07 and iLife 07 with every copy of Leopard sold whether bundled with the Macs or boxed.

Oh, and here's the one more thing at WWDC to blow the walls down. Leopard will be the first Mac OS to ship in a Universal version and a Intel only version. Guess what the Intel only version can do? How about install on non-Apple hardware. News flash! Apple's been working up to this for some time now.

Boot Camp was just a proving ground. For what you ask? A hardware abstraction layer. Microsoft calls it HAL. This allows for Microsoft's OS to install on multiple vendors hardware and not give a panic. Apple created a HAL for Windows to run under with Boot Camp, so whatever Intel Mac hardware you ran Windows on, it would have no problem supporting the devices (i.e. optical disk, hard disk, mouse, bluetooth, etc.). This is the real secret Steve doesn't want anyone to know until D-day.
 
Oh, and here's the one more thing at WWDC to blow the walls down. Leopard will be the first Mac OS to ship in a Universal version and a Intel only version. Guess what the Intel only version can do? How about install on non-Apple hardware. News flash! Apple's been working up to this for some time now.

Boot Camp was just a proving ground. For what you ask? A hardware abstraction layer. Microsoft calls it HAL. This allows for Microsoft's OS to install on multiple vendors hardware and not give a panic. Apple created a HAL for Windows to run under with Boot Camp, so whatever Intel Mac hardware you ran Windows on, it would have no problem supporting the devices (i.e. optical disk, hard disk, mouse, bluetooth, etc.). This is the real secret Steve doesn't want anyone to know until D-day.

Why on Earth would Apple shoot themselves in the foot by doing that?

-OS does not work as seamlessly (have to make new drivers and everything from 3rd parties).
-Apple doesn't get a large profit, since all their money comes from hardware sales anyways.
-Everyone would buy cheap Dell boxes and put OS X on it instead of buying Apple hardware.

Terrible decision.
 
i don't really care how long it takes. If it means 10.5 will be the most stable mac os release yet, ill wait until christmas!
Don't know if I agree with waiting until Christmas. ;)

But do want Leopard to be a stable well constructed OS and not released before prime time. That is for sure.
 
~correction~ june 11 or 15

What did you do ? go read when the WWDC was :rolleyes:


Steve'o will release the secret features at WWDC and hand-out beta CDs of Leopard to all attendees. An open beta program will be opened to the general public for $19.95, which will be discounted from the full release when it ships.

But wait! There's more! What's this??? Leopard Server is such a huge leap over Tiger's server technologies that it will not even ship until November and will include Vista Server blasting features (i.e. an Exchange Killer collaboration services suite).

Order now within the next 10 minutes and Apple will throw-in iWorks 07 and iLife 07 with every copy of Leopard sold whether bundled with the Macs or boxed.

Oh, and here's the one more thing at WWDC to blow the walls down. Leopard will be the first Mac OS to ship in a Universal version and a Intel only version. Guess what the Intel only version can do? How about install on non-Apple hardware. News flash! Apple's been working up to this for some time now.

Boot Camp was just a proving ground. For what you ask? A hardware abstraction layer. Microsoft calls it HAL. This allows for Microsoft's OS to install on multiple vendors hardware and not give a panic. Apple created a HAL for Windows to run under with Boot Camp, so whatever Intel Mac hardware you ran Windows on, it would have no problem supporting the devices (i.e. optical disk, hard disk, mouse, bluetooth, etc.). This is the real secret Steve doesn't want anyone to know until D-day.

What you just described is called BIOS..Basic Input/Output System

Apple doesn't use a BIOS.

AMI makes a BIOS chip..As does Phoenix

Intel makes an EFI chip.Extensible Firmware Interface.The ones in all Intel Macs.This EFI is used to program a BIOS module that is used for Bootcamp.
 
At this rate Vista will be stable enough to run life support systems before Leopard is announced.

:confused: :apple:

In twenty years, I still wouldn't trust vista to tell me it's time to pee :)

OT: Everyone will see, when Leopard is released, the secret features will make it all worth it. Apple could still pull this off with a March release, but if we take the time to look at all the "clues" (eg. what we can blindly put together), I think a May release is most likely.
 
These slight improvements seem to be really good. I especially like the "Watch Me Do" function of Automator. For less experienced Mac users, this could be really good. I've already thought of ways I could use that.

I like the watch me do it feature as well, maybe this will actually get me to start using Automator.......maybe not.

Hopefully I won't have to wait to long to see what is OS is all about. Should have seen more of it a the Keynote speech but that pesky iPhone thing got in the way. Damn you gadget geeks.. HAHA:D
 
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