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Leopard Build 9A377a Details Emerging
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Of course, all these rumours about Leopord being announced soon... they could well just point to an event were Jobs shows off the new features and announces the shipping date. Theres nothing to say that it will be out the day they hold a special event. Hearing that Leopard is still a while away from being ready just goes to confirm this.
Just before FCP and Logic are announced we will get a special event sometime telling us what these secret features are and a shipping date which will be the end of Spring. They will also announce the new iLife and iWork as shipping immediately but needing leopard to do much of the cool new stuff. Then a week or so later we will get the new pro apps announced with new features that make use of the secret features announced in the special event the week earlier.
Just before FCP and Logic are announced we will get a special event sometime telling us what these secret features are and a shipping date which will be the end of Spring. They will also announce the new iLife and iWork as shipping immediately but needing leopard to do much of the cool new stuff. Then a week or so later we will get the new pro apps announced with new features that make use of the secret features announced in the special event the week earlier.
We are due for new displays. iMac will be upgraded soon. And new laptops with new Intel-technology is on it's way. All of those will be upgraded in the next few months. What if Apple added Multitouch to all of those? Is there any reason to restrict it to just iPhone/iPod?
And when you think about it, Multitouch, while radical idea, doesn't really need that much of a change to the code. It's basically touchscreen combined with multiple pointing-devices. The biggest work is in the hardware, software in comparison is relatively simple. Yes, some apps might need to be changed to take better advantage of it. But it could still be used with un-optimized software, it's just a new kind of mouse, basically. I bet that iLife '07 and maybe iWork '07 will support it, as well as Leopard. And that might be why iLife and iWork has been delayed as well.
So new machines and displays, combined with Leopard and iLife/iWork. All of those seem to be pointing at the same spot. It seems to me that they are all connected. Leopard has features that need new hardware. New hardware has features that need Leopard. iLife/iWork has new features that need Leopard and new hardware.
I might be 100% wrong here. But remember: Multitouch and iPhone-UI was born out of Apple's research in to tablets and touchscreens. There's no reason to restrict that tech to just palm-sized devices, espesially since it was originally meant for "normal" computers.
it would make sense, and it would make Macs really stand clear from PC's.
If you thought Leopard had any chance of being released prior to today, you were fooling yourself. It's not even due out yet, so what's with all the "it's late" nonsense?
Spring doesn't start for over two weeks. It doesn't end for over three months. That's quite a big target. You'll be waiting a while. Get over it.
What exactly would need to be tested about the Finder? I think his point was that there's no need for extensive developer hands-on time and therefore no rush to get it out in the seeded betas. Developers != beta testers. Some people do both, but developers themselves are only concerned with beta testing their own software. You're not a developer if you're just cruising around with a beta OS.
Funny how Apple hasn't been working with ANY hardware manufacturers to make this even remotely possible. I guess they've started using dark magic over in Cupertino.
False. Everyone uses the acronym HAL for hardware abstraction layer, not just MS. More to the point, it has not a damn thing to do with Boot Camp or with compatibility. All a HAL does is separate the application-layer software from the real mode (formerly) or the protected mode hardware interface. It allows software makers to be unconcerned with the specific hardware installed and therefore makes their jobs easier because they no longer have to call hardware directly. Hardware abstraction layers have existed in Windows for 15 years and in OS X since day one. A HAL absolutely does not improve compatibility in any way whatsoever--it has nothing to do with drivers.
What, do you operate a website that tracks Apple models and don't have anything to do? Products are updated when they're updated. Calling it unacceptable is a tad extreme. What would you like updated? Is there some other system out there shaming it? Last I checked, there haven't been any new Xeon processors yet, so there's not much to update.
I'm sick of people on this forum making statements like they know what's going on, you have no idea at all so stop saying 'Expect to see Leopard in June' like you're certain. P-lease...
And all those people expecting to see a new Finder or a new Interface, explain to me this:
If that is true, then why are they bothering updating the interfaces for certain apps already? Automator has a new unified interface, iChat has a new interface. If there's really a new UI why bother spending time changing the UI of these apps if only to change it again before Lepard is released?
Same thing goes for the Finder, why bother adding new features to the old Finder if there's going to be a new one? what exactly is the point? Are the trying to fool developers into thinking that the current Finder will be getting a few new prefs, only to pull the rug out from their feet and announce a new secret Finder?
I really don't think they' do that.
And all those people expecting to see a new Finder or a new Interface, explain to me this:
If that is true, then why are they bothering updating the interfaces for certain apps already? Automator has a new unified interface, iChat has a new interface. If there's really a new UI why bother spending time changing the UI of these apps if only to change it again before Lepard is released?
Same thing goes for the Finder, why bother adding new features to the old Finder if there's going to be a new one? what exactly is the point? Are the trying to fool developers into thinking that the current Finder will be getting a few new prefs, only to pull the rug out from their feet and announce a new secret Finder?
I really don't think they' do that.
Yeah, I've seen these feature additions before, but the features they're adding are like adding a heliport to the roof of a slum building. It might sound good if you're trying to sell the house to people who aren't familiar with the place, but to those who actually live there, they see how stupid and useless the new feature is when the ceilings are crumbling and there's no hot water.
iCal needs 2 areas of improvement before anything else - usability and interface! For instance, there is no way to time shift multiple events. Another is when you copy and paste several events with different calendar designations they all lose their original calendar designations, etc. etc.
Fixing the basics needs to come before adding new features!
whow! I can see a lot of people could use a chill pill 
Seriously? Are we that desperate for a new OS? What SO wrong with Tiger? I for one will gladly wait until June if that means a clean, stable 10.5.0.
As of now I'm happy with Tiger, I can say that I'm waiting more for 10.4.9 than 10.5.0
As for the top-secret features, I don't really know, usually Apple blows our minds with stuff we never thought about so I wouldn't say that the secret features that Jobs refered in WWDC 06 are a bunch of crap, I just don't bother trying to imagine what they are.
One thing I really want to see in Leopard is how Apple is giving use to Core Animation, I'd like do see folders and files flipping around (like dashboard widgets) to set their preferences, maybe the first introduction to 3d elements in the desktop, something different you know?
As for the release date... I don't have a clue, no one does, and ultimately that's my point, all predictions can be right or wrong ( although some seem more right than others, my vote goes to June ).
Seriously? Are we that desperate for a new OS? What SO wrong with Tiger? I for one will gladly wait until June if that means a clean, stable 10.5.0.
As of now I'm happy with Tiger, I can say that I'm waiting more for 10.4.9 than 10.5.0
As for the top-secret features, I don't really know, usually Apple blows our minds with stuff we never thought about so I wouldn't say that the secret features that Jobs refered in WWDC 06 are a bunch of crap, I just don't bother trying to imagine what they are.
One thing I really want to see in Leopard is how Apple is giving use to Core Animation, I'd like do see folders and files flipping around (like dashboard widgets) to set their preferences, maybe the first introduction to 3d elements in the desktop, something different you know?
As for the release date... I don't have a clue, no one does, and ultimately that's my point, all predictions can be right or wrong ( although some seem more right than others, my vote goes to June ).
Yeah... time to see the top secret features.
Brand new features need developer testing unless they are applications that developers don't need to know about. Of course, brand new features do need beta testing.
This is what would blow me (& vista) away, IMO.
1) new finder - in cocoa, using core animation
2) virtual OSX server - centralised user management for peer-to-peer workgroups, virtual server hard disk, and network home directories - even if you don't have an actual OSX server. Feature tied to Airport Extreme external disk.
3) multiple simultaneous logins to a machine. Multiple sets of keyboards/mouse/screens each running independentally from one MacPro. And Apple starts selling terminals (& allowing old Macs to be terminals). Also used for remote control apps.
4) Groupware with advanced iCal
5) Log in to your Mac & your data & apps wherever you are, from Windows or Mac (better via Mac!)
Unlikely but possible.
SECRET feature is Home Sync for laptops
I think that the big secret will be Apple leveraging Airport Extreme with its new HDD USB port with the MirrorAgent from Tiger server to create the ability to backup your laptops wirelessly.
Apple knows that 'everyone' is moving to laptops and they also know that backups are a big gap in how people protect their information. I think that they are looking to create an IT-less home that has backups. Perhaps they will even support mobile accounts and use that HDD as the server volume for the home.
Just my speculation of features that are not revealed but within reach of Apple without a huge SW change at the last minute.
I think that the big secret will be Apple leveraging Airport Extreme with its new HDD USB port with the MirrorAgent from Tiger server to create the ability to backup your laptops wirelessly.
Apple knows that 'everyone' is moving to laptops and they also know that backups are a big gap in how people protect their information. I think that they are looking to create an IT-less home that has backups. Perhaps they will even support mobile accounts and use that HDD as the server volume for the home.
Just my speculation of features that are not revealed but within reach of Apple without a huge SW change at the last minute.
SOO excited!
I am SO excited about Leopard.
I am like that chick in the front row when Gates unveiled Windoze 95.
Except I don't have the bouncy bouncy.
I guess I just have to wait for man-boobs.
I am SO excited about Leopard.
I am like that chick in the front row when Gates unveiled Windoze 95.
Except I don't have the bouncy bouncy.
I guess I just have to wait for man-boobs.
Didn't you get the memo?.. All the mac fanatics have been saying all along that macs are not more expensive than PC's (whenever of course someone like me points out to them why more people buy Dells than overpriced macs). You should get with the program (i have, after being reprogrammed). What cheap Dell boxes?. Macs are just as cheap!!!!!. (hold a minute, reprogramming wearing off.. i need another dosage of the mac fanaticism... I have to go now and quickly find the apple coolaid stored in the fridge somewhere.. hope i don't get distracted by the Jobs distortion reality field that just popped up).
with what has been announce for 10.5 server - nope - it is getting some attention
Well, I certainly can't say the exact reason, but I would suspect in order to implement the new interface in a clean and consistent manner, they could be updating all the applications to use the same user interface objects and settings. That way, they can switch out the old UI code for the new UI code. Most apps really don't care how a button is drawn as long as it is in the bounds laid out and has the right caption.
You may want to stop using that acronyms. Some idiot in the government might read that and think you're a terrorist.
Inkhead said:
I think people are so accustomed to having everything done now that they don't know how to be patient. Anyone remember the saying "If it ain't broken, don't fix it"? What's wrong w/ Tiger?
Yeah, that is pretty sweet.
I do have to agree with you. iCal needs some attention but is getting very little. It even got worse when they took out the tentative, etc. flags.
I think it's because Steve has his secretary fill it and has never seen iCal himself.
I don't like the look of the GUI; reminds me of 10.2 or 10.3?
So far the improvements aren't very substantial. I'm still looking for more.
So far the improvements aren't very substantial. I'm still looking for more.
Prediction
Despite the naysayers, I expect to see Leopard announced during the WWDC keynote on June 11, and shipping June 20 (i.e. the last day of Spring). Despite the imminent release, and lack of "top secret features" in current developer builds, there will be some impressive new features that no one has seen. These will be largely user-oriented features that developers don't need to know about, and which don't break any backwards compatibility requirements, which is why they haven't been released in the developer builds so far.
My predictions for the secret features are:
1) A new Finder, written in Cocoa, and making heavy (but not tacky) use of core animation. It will maintain backwards compatibility with the existing finder library, so it shouldn't break any existing scripts.
2) A new theme - Illumnous - featuring back-lit windows with halos where Aqua has drop-shadows, a variety of new, resolution-independent widgets, and *no* brushed metal (but Aqua will remain available for those who want to keep it).
3) A variety of slick new features that allow better integration of digital hub components (?TV, iPhone, iPod) and .Mac integration.
4) Something that will surprise us all and make Vista look anemic.
Cheers
Despite the naysayers, I expect to see Leopard announced during the WWDC keynote on June 11, and shipping June 20 (i.e. the last day of Spring). Despite the imminent release, and lack of "top secret features" in current developer builds, there will be some impressive new features that no one has seen. These will be largely user-oriented features that developers don't need to know about, and which don't break any backwards compatibility requirements, which is why they haven't been released in the developer builds so far.
My predictions for the secret features are:
1) A new Finder, written in Cocoa, and making heavy (but not tacky) use of core animation. It will maintain backwards compatibility with the existing finder library, so it shouldn't break any existing scripts.
2) A new theme - Illumnous - featuring back-lit windows with halos where Aqua has drop-shadows, a variety of new, resolution-independent widgets, and *no* brushed metal (but Aqua will remain available for those who want to keep it).
3) A variety of slick new features that allow better integration of digital hub components (?TV, iPhone, iPod) and .Mac integration.
4) Something that will surprise us all and make Vista look anemic.
Cheers
Yep, I can't think of ANY Mac OS, going back to OS 7, that has been released the same day it was officially announced. Steve's promise, was that Leopard would ship by END of Spring (I'll give Apple mid June on the calendar end of spring, not the financial one). This is only the begining of March, so by any reasonable measure Apple still has 2.5 months to fiddle with Leopard before it needs to go GM. Moreover, it's typical Apple to ship later than sooner on almost everything. MacBook Pros last year, Apple TV this year. So many examples of Apple products shipping on the very last possible day.
AppleInsider just confirmed March 27th as the release date for Adobe CS 3.
With all of the Pros waiting to upgrade hardware, it would seem to me that at least a ship date for Leopard will be announced by then. If not, everyone will just keep waiting. Who want's to buy a new machine when you know a new OS will be shipping with it in a month or two. It would seem smart for Apple to announce and offer a free upgrade to Leopard with Macs bought after the announcement. That way sales would not be postponed. Apple has not done that in the past however so I'm not holding my breath.
http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2544
With all of the Pros waiting to upgrade hardware, it would seem to me that at least a ship date for Leopard will be announced by then. If not, everyone will just keep waiting. Who want's to buy a new machine when you know a new OS will be shipping with it in a month or two. It would seem smart for Apple to announce and offer a free upgrade to Leopard with Macs bought after the announcement. That way sales would not be postponed. Apple has not done that in the past however so I'm not holding my breath.
http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2544