Leopard Build 9A377a Details Emerging

[morespce54]

Yeah, that is pretty sweet.



I do have to agree with you. iCal needs some attention but is getting very little. It even got worse when they took out the tentative, etc. flags.
I think it's because Steve has his secretary fill it and has never seen iCal himself.

...or because he keep using Entourage

 

[akac]

Well, I certainly can't say the exact reason, but I would suspect in order to implement the new interface in a clean and consistent manner, they could be updating all the applications to use the same user interface objects and settings. That way, they can switch out the old UI code for the new UI code. Most apps really don't care how a button is drawn as long as it is in the bounds laid out and has the right caption.

Not only that, but all it seems to me they did was uncheck the "Metal" checkbox in the NIB. No code changes to the UI.

 

[Maccus Aurelius]

Forget iCal. I want an all in one PIM. E-mail\Contacts\Calendar\todos all in one App. This is why I'm running Outlook 2003 under Crossover. Needing to switch back and forth between apps should have ended years ago. All of these apps bleed into one another in terms of what you use them for. You simply shouldn't have to deal with window management for such things. There is no reason to not have these apps integrated. Check that there is one reason: to make the OS look like its shipping with more apps, and as such its OMG! such a deal. Which it already is. Slimming it down wouldn't hurt the value IMHO.

IM and e-mail are the things I'd love to have integrated. AOL software and the AIM client stink I much prefer iChat for messaging. If it allowed me to check my mail through that software on that same sn that would be sweet.

 

[akac]

Yeah, that is pretty sweet.



I do have to agree with you. iCal needs some attention but is getting very little. It even got worse when they took out the tentative, etc. flags.
I think it's because Steve has his secretary fill it and has never seen iCal himself.

I have tentative and busy flags - but only for meetings.

 

[Peace]

Meaning that Leopard would be out, or at least in it's final stages of development by the time CS3 is released?

BINGO!!

We have a winner!

 

[Manic Mouse]

BINGO!!

We have a winner!

I can only hope. I've been waiting for Leopard before I get my first ever Mac.

Exciting times!

 

[DMann]

Core Animation

whow! I can see a lot of people could use a chill pill

Seriously? Are we that desperate for a new OS? What SO wrong with Tiger? I for one will gladly wait until June if that means a clean, stable 10.5.0.

As of now I'm happy with Tiger, I can say that I'm waiting more for 10.4.9 than 10.5.0
As for the top-secret features, I don't really know, usually Apple blows our minds with stuff we never thought about so I wouldn't say that the secret features that Jobs refered in WWDC 06 are a bunch of crap, I just don't bother trying to imagine what they are.

One thing I really want to see in Leopard is how Apple is giving use to Core Animation, I'd like do see folders and files flipping around (like dashboard widgets) to set their preferences, maybe the first introduction to 3d elements in the desktop, something different you know?


As for the release date... I don't have a clue, no one does, and ultimately that's my point, all predictions can be right or wrong ( although some seem more right than others, my vote goes to June ).

Core Animation may be the catalyst for dozens of new features involving a revamped Finder, 3D view options for folders and apps, retrieval, etc. This would be easy to activate within the GUI once it is implemented within the Finder.

 

[inkswamp]

And all those people expecting to see a new Finder or a new Interface, explain to me this:

If that is true, then why are they bothering updating the interfaces for certain apps already? Automator has a new unified interface, iChat has a new interface. If there's really a new UI why bother spending time changing the UI of these apps if only to change it again before Lepard is released?

Some applications have interface designs independent of the Finder and the system-wide UI. I'm not sure why but that seems to be the case. That's actually pretty obvious when you look at the iApps, but there may be other reasons. Also, Apple has been known to tweak around with their own applications to experiment with different looks. Sometimes those experiments turn into elements of the general UI. They did that with Quicktime back in the OS 9 era and iTunes more recently.

Same thing goes for the Finder, why bother adding new features to the old Finder if there's going to be a new one? what exactly is the point? Are the trying to fool developers into thinking that the current Finder will be getting a few new prefs, only to pull the rug out from their feet and announce a new secret Finder?

I really don't think they' do that.

Have you ever done software development on a Mac? I'm not trying to be condescending, but if you haven't, then I can understand that this might seem mysterious to you.

Keep this in mind: the Finder is just another OS X application. It runs a little more seamlessly than other apps and it can (in some situations) get into the internals of your machine unlike other apps, but overall, it's just another application. Many of the features it gives the user access to are below the surface and not really part of the Finder per se. If a new feature were created in the guts of the OS, a developer could add a menu item or quickie interface to access it in a matter of minutes. This is a trivial thing to add.

Thus far, I haven't seen any major features added to the Finder, but rather a lot of minor changes. The fact that we're seeing minor alterations to the Finder but no major changes or features added actually seems to point to the idea that a new Finder is sitting in the wings. I admit that I could be wrong and I have no insider info, but just seeing a few new prefs or menu items added to the Finder doesn't mean anything. Literally, you can add those kinds of things without writing a single line of code.

And remember that some of those features being added "below the surface" would be to be tested by beta-testers and developers so adding them to the current Finder makes sense anyway.

 

[BigHat]

Vista could have their next os out before apple releases leopard at this point

QUOTE]

You're on crack. Apple isn't even late yet from the initial comments made by Steve. Vista is THREE OR MORE YEARS LATE in coming and it's a POS. What's the next Vista OS? The one that allows you to run MS Office w/o crashing?

 

[Mgkwho]

Yes, Photoshop CS3 should be expected to run well on Leopard.

But remember, many other developers have copies of Leopard so they can also build their applications for it. This doesn't necessarily mean that CS3 will coincide with Leopard's release...though we all wish it were likely!

-=|Mgkwho

 

[Diatribe]

I have tentative and busy flags - but only for meetings.

Well, I don't want to have to send a mail to have the flags.

 

[Peace]

Yes, Photoshop CS3 should be expected to run well on Leopard.

But remember, many other developers have copies of Leopard so they can also build their applications for it. This doesn't necessarily mean that CS3 will coincide with Leopard's release...though we all wish it were likely!

-=|Mgkwho

I can almost guarantee you Adobe has a copy of the internal beta of Leopard.The one that ADC members do not have.
The one Woz speaks of.The one that has all the "secret stuff"..The one that is a lot more stable than the current one floating around the BitTorrent sites now.

And folks wonder why that version hasn't been given to the ADC.

There is hardware coming out that utilizes Leopard and Steve will announce that hardware when he sees fit.

1 piece of that hardware is already out.And another is supposed to be out March 20th.This the ONLY reason 9a377a was released to ADC members.

 

[DMann]

Pathfinder

Keep this in mind: the Finder is just another OS X application. It runs a little more seamlessly than other apps and it can (in some situations) get into the internals of your machine unlike other apps, but overall, it's just another application. Many of the features it gives the user access to are below the surface and not really part of the Finder per se. If a new feature were created in the guts of the OS, a developer could add a menu item or quickie interface to access it in a matter of minutes. This is a trivial thing to add.

Thus far, I haven't seen any major features added to the Finder, but rather a lot of minor changes. The fact that we're seeing minor alterations to the Finder but no major changes or features added actually seems to point to the idea that a new Finder is sitting in the wings. I admit that I could be wrong and I have no insider info, but just seeing a few new prefs or menu items added to the Finder doesn't mean anything. Literally, you can add those kinds of things without writing a single line of code.

And remember that some of those features being added "below the surface" would be to be tested by beta-testers and developers so adding them to the current Finder makes sense anyway.

Quite true, look at Pathfinder - a Mac OS alternative which happens to be an application. The functions of the Finder do not usually interfere with the operation of coexisting apps, so then, the Finder ought to "play nice" with running apps regardless of any alterations made to it before release.

 

[DMann]

Cs3

Yes, Photoshop CS3 should be expected to run well on Leopard.

But remember, many other developers have copies of Leopard so they can also build their applications for it. This doesn't necessarily mean that CS3 will coincide with Leopard's release...though we all wish it were likely!

-=|Mgkwho

And wish we do......

 

[Project]

I can almost guarantee you Adobe has a copy of the internal beta of Leopard.The one that ADC members do not have.
The one Woz speaks of.The one that has all the "secret stuff"..The one that is a lot more stable than the current one floating around the BitTorrent sites now.

And folks wonder why that version hasn't been given to the ADC.

There is hardware coming out that utilizes Leopard and Steve will announce that hardware when he sees fit.

1 piece of that hardware is already out.And another is supposed to be out March 20th.This the ONLY reason 9a377a was released to ADC members.

Whats this you say about Woz? Link?

 

[Peace]

Whats this you say about Woz? Link?

linky

 

[BoyBach]

Looks good to me.

 

[Project]

Damn.... Woz just made my day

 

[kalisphoenix]

linky

Mmm... pwnage.

 

[72930]

Damn.... Woz just made my day

Me too...wonder how I hadn't found that treat before...

 

[Project]

So what is this tactic of putting out spoof/old builds of Leopard by Apple? Disinformation?

Interesting times.

 

[BTW]

Why on Earth would Apple shoot themselves in the foot by doing that?

-OS does not work as seamlessly (have to make new drivers and everything from 3rd parties).
-Apple doesn't get a large profit, since all their money comes from hardware sales anyways.
-Everyone would buy cheap Dell boxes and put OS X on it instead of buying Apple hardware.

Terrible decision.

1) Hence the beta status at WWDC where there are developers willing to write drivers.
2) Yes, that's an old argument. The iPod and iPhone make them a lot of dough so now is the time to make a grab for high margin software sales.
3) Sure, and Apple would make $100 a pop off of each OEM installation and $299 off of the retail box (of course they'd charge more for the open version!).

 

[BTW]

Funny how Apple hasn't been working with ANY hardware manufacturers to make this even remotely possible. I guess they've started using dark magic over in Cupertino.

It wouldn't be the first time now would it? WWDC will release the beta and give hardware manufacturers some time.

 

[Peace]

So what is this tactic of putting out spoof/old builds of Leopard by Apple? Disinformation?

Interesting times.

Makes for great drama don't it ?

 

[BobbyDigital]

The "watch me do" feature sounds like it will make things alot easier. Not sure about the new layout of spotlight, I like the old way... but this one will probably grow on me.