Leopard Screenshots?

[jettredmont]

Question for all the WINErs out there: Does 'Windows' need its own partition/drive like in alleged screen shot or do the .exe simply reside in the Applications folder of OS X?

To me, it doesn't make sense to have a separate volume for WINDOWS stuff when in fact OS X can run the Windows APIs natively (without any kind of virtualization blah blah blah). Having a separate Windows volume makes sense only if you're keeping everything separate, as in a guest OS or dual boot situation.

If I remember correctly, the system components of Classic resided in the OS X system directory and all classic apps resided in the Applications directory like all other apps.

No. First, if you have a Windows machine handy, saunter on over to the "C:\Program Files" folder. There aren't any apps, just a bunch more folder here for the most part. Now pick one or two of those folders and look inside them.

Windows applications aren't organized like OS X apps are. They have no concept of "bundling", and it's fairly common that a single folder under C:\Program Folders will contain multiple different applications, a handful of helper tools that aren't meant to be run by the user, and sometimes (against HIG, but still) even preference settings data.

It'd be a major effort to cajole that mess into the nice, neat "Applications" folder idiom.

Also, maybe you don't remember, but it seems to me that Classic applications all got their own "Applications (OS 9)" folder (or some similar name) to keep them separated from their native cousins. Granted, you could install them pretty much anywhere, but the default was to keep them segregated.

 

[ClimbingTheLog]

Here's the bottom-right corner of the IE7 window with the contrast enhanced so you old men can see the shadow:

who needs freakin M$ to develop anything for Mac? Its the IE7 for Windows and OS X runs it natively!

Yeah, the MacBU is gone when this is released. Maybe they can get jobs at Apple on the new campus.

 

[dongmin]

No. First, if you have a Windows machine handy, saunter on over to the "C:\Program Files" folder. There aren't any apps, just a bunch more folder here for the most part. Now pick one or two of those folders and look inside them.

Windows applications aren't organized like OS X apps are. They have no concept of "bundling", and it's fairly common that a single folder under C:\Program Folders will contain multiple different applications, a handful of helper tools that aren't meant to be run by the user, and sometimes (against HIG, but still) even preference settings data.

It'd be a major effort to cajole that mess into the nice, neat "Applications" folder idiom.

Also, maybe you don't remember, but it seems to me that Classic applications all got their own "Applications (OS 9)" folder (or some similar name) to keep them separated from their native cousins. Granted, you could install them pretty much anywhere, but the default was to keep them segregated.

My question was more about how WINE, or DARWINE more specifically, handles Windows apps. I actually do have a Windows box handy so I'm generally familiar with the organization of Windows.

As I said before, Classic didn't require its own volume. In fact, the system components had to reside in the OS X System directory.

The alledged screen grab is clearly implying a DARWINE type setup, not a virtualization or dual boot setup. That's why I asked about how Windows .exes are treated under DARWINE.

 

[ClimbingTheLog]

If you design websites, you might want IE. Also, some pages won't work if you're not in IE

Yeah, all the ones with malware.

I hope its not real. Native windows support is what killed OS/2. They look convincing, you gotta give the guy credit, but Apple isn't this stupid.

OS/2 didn't have any compelling advantages over Windows for the average user. OSX has iLife, sex and security.

About the originals: Tabbed Finder Windows? C'mon. It simply makes no sense from a UI standpoint.

Ever copy files between two windows when you had 8 open and the one you were looking for was stacked somewhere behind the others and then you move and resize windows until you can see your source and destinations? This would help.

The NeXT Dock with real file references was better though.

Question for all the WINErs out there: Does 'Windows' need its own partition/drive like in alleged screen shot or do the .exe simply reside in the Applications folder of OS X?

Yeah, you specify a 'root' folder for your C: drive. I never really cared for that aspect of WINE but Windows' architecture makes it the least bad solution. Apple probably found that out as well.

 

[zach]

I have a bad track record with rumours - but I say fake.

On the second image, the windows still have a shadow mid-animation. On current versions of OS X, doing any sort of CoreImage type effects, the shadows disappear for the duration of the animation.

Hold down shift to slow down the animations of minimising to the dock, and "show all windows" in exposé - you should be able to see this effect

that's not true. it's true on ::many:: effects, but not all of them. for instance, expose show desktop keeps shadows. so does dashboard.

not sure if this has been pointed out, but if you look at the list if "files" in the Documents folder that's being reviled there are only folders listed. what are the chances that documents folder only contain folders.

my documents folder only has folders inside it. i like being neat, i subfile everything.

 

[reyesmac]

I like all the new features I see so that tells me that this is fake. Apple would never give me everything I want in a new OS all at once. Or maybe they will, except they will make it a requirement to have an intel processor mac for 80% of the good stuff. Come to think of it, maybe this is real.

 

[Janmansilver]

Fake because of inconsistent subpixel rendering

It has to be fake because for instance the about mac window uses subpixel rendering for the fonts on the menu bar but not the text it self in the window. On my system both the text on the menubar and the text in the about window uses subpixel rendering.

The screen shots have been shrinked in size in order to hide this, but it is still noticable if you zoom in.

 

[andrewag]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned it, but the alignment of the Windows part of the About this Mac window is off by a couple of pixels, and the space between lines is as well.

There is no TM after Windows as well.

 

[Unorthodox]

Here's the bottom-right corner of the IE7 window with the contrast enhanced so you old men can see the shadow:

Im not sure I like your attitude sonny!

I think it's fake.
One reason is because there is a battery percentage icon in the menu bar.
Meaning it's a laptop.
You would would think that they would be using desktops.
Second reason: I don't think Apple will do multiple desktops. To complicated.
Not enough people would use it.
Third: I don't think Apple will combine Address Book and iCal.
They are completely different apps. One keeps track of peoples personal information, and the other keeps track of your schedule.
Im also skeptical about running Windows apps in OS X.
It's a good idea sure, but Apple seems to have already jumped on the Boot Camp bandwagon.
Plus, the menu bar would be different if it was Leopard.

 

[noneis]

It's real folks...

I have a pal who works for intel guys, and trust me, you will have full virtualization cpabilities in place with Leapord. The technology itself has been running for a while now. Also, to those saying this is an ez fake, I am a designer and pretty darn good with photoshop. If you know anything about 72 dpi graphics, they dont scale or distort well when you stretch them or scale them up, the interpolation that happens would destroy these images. Don't belive me? Test it for yourself, Take a screen cap and drop a pinch filter on it, then cut a hole in teh middle and twirl the edges, effectivly recreating what we are seeing. Notice how bad elements like the edges of the finder and horizontal divider lines look when you do this?

This seems more like a very effective use of technology that has exsited in the development packages for Tiger since day one, did we all forget about core image? Wether the pinhole idea is good or not, thats a whole other topic.

 

[The Truth]

Here is the "go to" button in action...

 

[Unorthodox]

Here is the "go to" button in action...

Needs rounder edges; and the color is all wrong=Fake.

 

[The Truth]

Needs rounder edges; and the color is all wrong.

ok, thanks. I'll tell Steve.

 

[Unorthodox]

ok, thanks. I'll tell Steve.

Tell him I said "Hi".

 

[2nyRiggz]

That hole thing scare the *beep* out of me...


Bless

 

[inkswamp]

Gut instinct here is that these are probably fake, but I can't latch on to anything that makes it definitive. If they're fakes, they're very impressive ones.

A few responses to various comments.

The second pic shows some kind of a transition to different desktop and the dock is not included in the transition as well as as the menu bar. This is just a background image that someone is using.

It appears to be a desktop switcher. If that's the case, then logically the dock and menu bar shouldn't be changing. They would stay the same. What you're describing actually supports the idea that these are real.

Apple doesn't think people are bright enough to have a 2 button trackpad, but they're going to support multiple desktops?!

You're sure Apple doesn't do multiple buttons because they don't think people are bright enough? They do it because their concept of the mouse has always been one button. It forces the developers to do more logical UI design instead of relying on the "just put it in a contextual menu" crutch that is so annoying on Windows. Also, Apple has loads of advanced features that are turned off by default. I would imagine that using multiple desktops would require a trip to the system preferences.

Aside from 7 of us nerds here at MacRumors who've used unix iterations with this who in the real world would even get that concept?

Don't be so condescending. It adds nothing to the discussion.

OS9 wasn't windows.

Thankfully!

No, it isn't likely, because Jan. 14, 2006 was a friday, and Jan. 14, 2007 will be a sunday. The menubar reads "Wed 11:26 AM", so the icon couldn't possibly reflect a current date

But in the screenshot, iCal/Address Book isn't running and would likely display an incorrect default date like the current iCal icon does.

 

[dongmin]

I have a pal who works for intel guys, and trust me, you will have full virtualization cpabilities in place with Leapord. The technology itself has been running for a while now.

Care to elaborate? What does "full virtualization capabilities" mean anyway? We have three options:

1. Dual Boot (currently available)

2. Virtualization (currently available via Parallels although with limited support for USB, graphics, etc. hardware)

3. WINE-type compatibility layer (not yet working with Intel Macs, AFAIK)

As I've mentioned before, #3 is what's suggested by the screenshots. I'm not sure what Intel has anything to do with implementing Windows APIs under OS X. Where Intel would come into play is if Apple was implementing Parallels-type virtualization built into Leopard. But that's something different from these screenshots.

 

[Scottyk9]

3. WINE-type compatibility layer (not yet working with Intel Macs, AFAIK)

As I've mentioned before, #3 is what's suggested by the screenshots. I'm not sure what Intel has anything to do with implementing Windows APIs under OS X. Where Intel would come into play is if Apple was implementing Parallels-type virtualization built into Leopard. But that's something different from these screenshots.

This link has been posted several times in this thread, and provides some explanation to your #3
http://www.macsimumnews.com/index.p...virtual_machine_geared_for_consumer_desktops/

 

[rainmanbk]

I think we're thinking about it the wrong way.

Maybe the screenshots were doctored in order to make us think they aren't real?

 

[Axeon]

If these were indeed real, we wouldn't see one or two screenshots with plausible Photoshop explanations. We'd see a gallery of 20-30 pictures with all of the new features, such as this new iCal/Address Book app, the updated Spotlight, more windows apps being run, and at this point there are bound to be more GUI changes than what the fake shows, especially since WWDC is in August.

Chances are, if you have to ask if they're real or fake, they're probably fake, lest we forget the infamous iPod video photos.

 

[allgeek]

BootCamp / Windows AppleBar/Status Icon

Greetings,

Strangly after reading all these pages of comments and the bashing of the inclusion of the windows version in the about this mac, the BootCamp/Windows icon has not been brought up in any way, did anyone else notice this in the status/apple bar except me? Lends minor credibility to a Kext/Kernel system for Windows Compatibility....

aG

 

[Jwalker9]

Apple logo

Anybody notice that the apple logo in the top left corner is the same design as Tiger? Don't think Apple would let us down by failing to give us a new colored Apple. I say fake.

 

[yg17]

Anybody notice that the apple logo in the top left corner is the same design as Tiger? Don't think Apple would let us down by failing to give us a new colored Apple. I say fake.

I say its fake, but not for that reason. The Apple in the corner has remained relatively unchanged since 10.0

 

[Jwalker9]

I say its fake, but not for that reason. The Apple in the corner has remained relatively unchanged since 10.0

Relatively unchanged, but changed indeed in each version of OSX. Look back, they change tints, become less glossy, etc. I know its a detail, but it looks like a detail the creator forgot about.

 

[brepublican]

Ok, I promised a friend I wouldn't do this, but I have to, just to prove the current screenshots are not real. These are the real ones I will show you. The first thing you will notice with 10.5, Apple has done away completely with pin stripe, it does not exist, its a cleaner look and feel, also, there is a small take on using translucency in certain parts of the UI. But this is for inactive windows as can be seen in the About This Mac dialog box. The dock also reflects this but is permanent throughout the user session, its a subtle change, in active icons seem greyed out on the Dock, while running icons are brighter, this is considered to be a Visual cue.



The biggest change has to be the Leopard version of Boot camp, actually, its nothing like boot camp, its way superior, its Virtualization running at the hardware level, no drop in performance, of course, XP and 2000 are assigned with 128 and 64 MBs of RAM respectively. Of course, some of this might change by WWDC since these screenshots are from March around the same time Boot Camp for 10.4 was released. There is expected to be a whole lot more coming, but, currently, OS switching is probably the biggest right now. I have a screenshot of the new Finder, its a bit too ugly right now and its a work in progress, you don't want to see it, trust me, and its not brush metal either.

Other noticeable things, Recycle bin, not on the Dock by default it seems, although I don't know if this is user intervention.

Congratulations on winning the worst fake ever award. I'll go home and weep for you.