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Leopard - sluggish

UMHurricanes34 said:
My old PB 1.5GHz PPC has never been faster. Haven't installed on the newer iMac Core Duo but I can only imagine it being faster.
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How did you install it? Mine has never been slower. I checked All my previous xbench scores, and found the following:

My Open GL test was 7 points slower.

My UI test was... 30 points slower! Its not my imagination. It dropped from 51 to 21... and 51 was way back when I had 768 MB of Ram.

All the other scores are similar. It hurts to use expose :(

More to come.
 
mars.cydonia said:
C: My system is really sluggish, space, expose, finder, dock animation and stacks are sluggish. I have already restarted many times but my system is ever sluggish.
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So - you have repeatedly halted the Spotlight reindex so it never completes and performance remains poor?

:D
 
ktrix said:
A. Upgrade

B. MacBook, C2D 2.16GHz, 2GB RAM, 160GB HD

C. Expose, Spaces, Stacks, Genie Effect all noticeably jerky/slow. It's especially noticeable when you hold down the shift key to see Expose, Spaces, etc. in slow motion. The Finder, however, is clearly faster.

I'd guess it's an issues with Leopard and the GMA950. Hopefully Apple can address this through a software update. If not, I'll be extremely disappointed.
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I'm on a C2D 2Gz MacBook - 2GB RAM, but only an 80GB HD.

Expose, Spaces, Stacks, Genie Effect all silky smooth - even when you hold down the shift key.

I did an Archive and Install. Let Spotlight finish reindex. Reinstalled Parallels (it crashed), restarted twice (always helps things bed in after an update in my experience).
 
A. Erase and Install
B. SR MBP, 2.2, 2gb ram, 120gb hd.
C. Dock, genie effect slow and choppy. Cover flow, quick look, time machine animations are pretty fast.


Is anybody else running into the jerky animations with the same laptop as I have? I hope I'm not the only one...
 
MacsAttack said:
So - you have repeatedly halted the Spotlight reindex so it never completes and performance remains poor?

:D
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No, spotlight has finished to index my drive.

I know that when spotlight make the index for the hard drive the system could be sluggish however, now my spotlight has finished to index my hard drive.

And then, I don't think that is a spotlight problem, because on my other iMac 20" where I have done a System Update (not Archive and Install) the system is really faster.
I had only to rebuild the spotlight index because was corrupted but even when there was spotlight indexing running the system wasn't so sluggysh and now is more faster then before with tiger and on my iMac 20" there was still installed the version of tiger that come when you buy the MAC.
 
1. (White) 24" iMac/2GB Ram/128 mb vid card.
-Upgrade = BSoD --> A&I = success. Nothing really choppy, pretty comparable to tiger, but faster overall. Sometimes the mouse lags with photobooth video effects. Some apps open instantly, and spot light is instant. I wouldn't really call it sluggish at all.

2. MacBook/2 GB Ram/C2D

-Upgrade worked. Runs beautifully, not sluggish at all. Haven't tried photobooth.

3. MacBook Pro/SR/2 GB ram/128 mb vid card.

A bit more sluggish than iMac. I will try a clean install. It's not terrible though.
 
i dont agree with that it looks so fast than tiger does anything im sure of this

im using new imac 20" it works so great i did upgrade .
 
Speed Increase

I installed it (family pack) on a Mac Mini 1.83 duo and a Macbook 2.0 duo, both with 2 GB of RAM. I did a straight upgrade, and it's definitely faster on the Mini (I haven't played around on the MacBook much).

In particular, I've noticed that Windows runs a lot faster in Fusion, with the Windows moving smoothly -- without the redraw effect there was yesterday. I also checked Fusion's CPU usage, and it hovers between 1 and 2 percent. Very nice.

I will say that special visual effects aren't great on a 950, but the first thing I do is change the dock preference to scale effect because I like things fast. Quick look is quite speedy, and I expect it to save me a lot of time.

To those with slowdowns despite 2 GB RAM and low CPU usage, check out your available hard drive space. Leopard requires 9 GB!!! For a 80-gig drive that's 75% full, installing Leopard might be enough to slow everything down just because a drive that's 90% full is VERY slow, especially after spotlight takes some more space to make its database.

This is particularly a problem when you archive and install, because then you have two copies of the system and all system applications, which just takes up more space. I would suggest just doing a straight upgrade. It worked great for me on two computers.
 
queshy said:
1. (White) 24" iMac/2GB Ram/128 mb vid card.
-Upgrade = BSoD --> A&I = success. Nothing really choppy, pretty comparable to tiger, but faster overall. Sometimes the mouse lags with photobooth video effects. Some apps open instantly, and spot light is instant. I wouldn't really call it sluggish at all.

2. MacBook/2 GB Ram/C2D

-Upgrade worked. Runs beautifully, not sluggish at all. Haven't tried photobooth.

3. MacBook Pro/SR/2 GB ram/128 mb vid card.

A bit more sluggish than iMac. I will try a clean install. It's not terrible though.
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You seem to have the same MBP as I do, can you tell me, when you minimize a window (any window) with the genie effect enabled, is the animation at all choppy while zipping down into the dock?
 
upgrade... no issues here. I did have a couple of crashes at the beginning but other than that it's been fine after spotlight finished updating.
 
Somethings I find feel slower on my Mac Pro while other things feel much faster. Its just hit or miss i guess but considering what has been changed both visible and not, the performance is fantastic. I upgraded on my Mac Pro and it was slow as **** at first. Then I realized that its indexing spotlight and backing up all my data in time machine. After all of that, i restarted the computer and now it flies. I do though see some video tearing, especially in the dock. Dunno why but not a big deal.
 
dwsolberg said:
I installed it (family pack) on a Mac Mini 1.83 duo and a Macbook 2.0 duo, both with 2 GB of RAM. I did a straight upgrade, and it's definitely faster on the Mini (I haven't played around on the MacBook much).

In particular, I've noticed that Windows runs a lot faster in Fusion, with the Windows moving smoothly -- without the redraw effect there was yesterday. I also checked Fusion's CPU usage, and it hovers between 1 and 2 percent. Very nice.

I will say that special visual effects aren't great on a 950, but the first thing I do is change the dock preference to scale effect because I like things fast. Quick look is quite speedy, and I expect it to save me a lot of time.

To those with slowdowns despite 2 GB RAM and low CPU usage, check out your available hard drive space. Leopard requires 9 GB!!! For a 80-gig drive that's 75% full, installing Leopard might be enough to slow everything down just because a drive that's 90% full is VERY slow, especially after spotlight takes some more space to make its database.

This is particularly a problem when you archive and install, because then you have two copies of the system and all system applications, which just takes up more space. I would suggest just doing a straight upgrade. It worked great for me on two computers.
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Thats not the case here, either, I have 52 GB of free space.

Also, it seems some other benchmarks are showing leopard is coming up short, especially on the PPC side:

http://www.primatelabs.ca/blog/2007/10/leopard-performance-october-2007/
 
YOu think it might be the "core animation" capability maxing out the graphics card and thus resulting in slow performance?
 
MBP 2.0 w/ 2.33GHz and 2MB ram, clean install

I'm definitely experiencing some choppiness with all visual effects (expose, genie, spaces, giant screen-filling stacks), especially if I connect to my 20" monitor. Sometimes, even just dragging a window around with nothing running (not even indexing) is choppy. Someone else mentioned it kinda feels like it did in Tiger when running on battery, which is exactly what I thought.

I have a friend that works at nVidia who worked on the drivers for Leopard. He claims they had a lot of problems, and I have no doubt the same would be true of ATI. My guess is all this choppiness boils down to graphics drivers, which will hopefully get better soon.

I should also mention the effects eat my G4 1.53Ghz Mac Mini alive. Poor thing.

Aside from eyecandy framerates, I'd say the system feels lighter on its feet.
 
I would think that since such a small number have experienced this issue, that it may be your hardware (video cards?), or possibly a bad install. I doubt it is a global issue. Virtually everyone posting as well as about 20 computers I am personally aware of, including 7 of my own, have much BETTER speed, smoother redraws and overall superior rendering to Tiger.
 
I think maybe the level of choppiness many of us are describing might not offend everyone, and maybe we're making it sound worse than it is.

When I say the genie effect is choppy, I'm saying maybe it has a frame-rate of 20fps as opposed to 40fps in Tiger, which might still be considered "smooth".

But, for example, if I make a stack out of my pictures folder, which has about 100 wallpapers, I get some more noticeable choppiness as it fully expands across the screen. If someone claims that that is completely smooth for them on a MBP with ATI x1600, I might start to believe I have a specific issue.

In general, there's no question the system is faster.
 
leopard is definately faster on my machine. Macbook pro 2.33 ghz dual core intel. I did a clean install of course. I don't understand why anyone wouldn't do a clean install with a new OS...?
 
they are rarely ever identical. infact i always write zeros to my HD before every new os install. I went everything completely clean. you just back everything up that you want to save on an External HD. Then install and put it back on. Not really that hard.
 
I have to wonder about a lot of the issues being reported in this thread - and I'd caution anyone from drawing any conclusions that Leopard is somehow at fault.

I did an archive & install on an original and well-used MacBook Pro, 2.0Ghz Core Duo, 2GB Ram, 256MB ATi X1600, still running the factory Tiger installation.

Totally painless, Leopard is faster than Tiger. I wonder about possible third-party apps screwing up the installs of people in this thread.
 
Fender321 said:
I think maybe the level of choppiness many of us are describing might not offend everyone, and maybe we're making it sound worse than it is.
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Agreed. I tend to think that all GMA950 powered Macs (and maybe others) are experiencing this issue, but only some people actually notice it.

I did a clean install on my Macbook (2GHz C2D, 2GB RAM) and experience sluggish animations. Time Machine, cover flow and stacks run fine. Dock magnification, expose and dashboard run slow. If I move the dock to the left or right to remove the 3D effects, all of a sudden everything runs at full speed.

This is not caused by CPU or RAM - it's either a video card limitation, or some sort of bug. I tend to to think it's the former, because if I run an application which uses hardware accelerated 3D graphics, the dock becomes even slower while the application is running.
 
seanneko said:
Agreed. I tend to think that all GMA950 powered Macs (and maybe others) are experiencing this issue, but only some people actually notice it.

I did a clean install on my Macbook (2GHz C2D, 2GB RAM) and experience sluggish animations. Time Machine, cover flow and stacks run fine. Dock magnification, expose and dashboard run slow. If I move the dock to the left or right to remove the 3D effects, all of a sudden everything runs at full speed.

This is not caused by CPU or RAM - it's either a video card limitation, or some sort of bug. I tend to to think it's the former, because if I run an application which uses hardware accelerated 3D graphics, the dock becomes even slower while the application is running.
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My experiences down to the letter. Cleanout your dashboards and use a 2d dock and everything if super-fast. Faster than Tiger even.
 
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