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Let's Stop Avoiding The Hard Truth About Lion

At first I was psyched about Lion -- wow, a rehaul of the Finder and all these new features, this will be a cool OS!!!!

But now that I have been running Lion since its release, I have realized that Apple went overboard with this thing, adding "too much" and "too many" bells and whistles, most of it pointless stuff we either DO NOT need, or features that complicate things (i.e. the mandatory checkbox at shutdown/restart) and Apple had "dumbed down" the user-experience and tried to simplify things for iOS-to-Mac coverts with Launchpad (I never use this), did away with Spaces and introduced Mission Control (I do not use this), changed the List View behavior and presentation in the Finder (I do not like this at all), added FaceTime (A pointless App), and re-hauled Mail (which was very streamlined and nice before) --- just all of this overhead and junk, and to add to that, startup times have slowed down by like 2x or more, and the OS size has increased by a great amount...should I add more? Safari Reading List SUCKS and activates if you accidentally hit the SHIFT key when hitting return after typing a URL....


PLUS --- to add to all of this mayhem -- if you don't LIKE Lion and WANT to go back to Snow Leopard 10.6.8, you will have to backup all your data manually, wipe your drive, and re-install from a store-bought Snow Leopard disk, and it must be compatible with your machine (if you are running a Sandy Bridge, that means you must have a 10.6.7 disc) -- which they don't sell in stores....you have to install SL from disc, and then run all the updates, and restore your data -- easily a 5-6 hour project JUST to get back to Snow Leopard.


Soooo... ARRRGHGGGGhhh!!!!!!! -- you see the damn frustrations I, among others (and complaints, disappointments, and issues/upsetedness) -- are having with Mac OS X Lion. It is not really that great when it comes down to it, it is a massively over thought, over-implemented, and over-cluttered system.

Snow Leopard (10.6.8, the last interation) -- very streamlined, very simple, very powerful, and yes 64-bit --- I am not putting Lion on anymore of my Macs, and considering downgrading all my Lion machines (4 of them) back to Snow Leopard, i've got Snow Leopard on my other 4 Macs.

It is the drive by Apple to consumerize Mac OS X to be more like iOS that is getting on my nerves, I am afraid in the future that Mac OS X may not be anything like we have it now, if it keeps heading down the "candy road of iToy-ness"

Blah.
 
sidewinder said:
You are overreacting. But please, move everything to the Windows platform (and buy Dell PCs or equivalent) so we don't have to read your vitriolic text anymore.....S-
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Well let's try again. . . What kind of reply did you expect on a threat titled "Let's Stop Avoiding The Hard Truth About Lion"?

There are a couple of different battles going on here. First there are users who are having trouble with various aspects of Lion, the so-called bugs. They are often confronted by those who aren't having problems and who sometimes act as if since they aren't having problems there must not be any "real" problems.

Personally I've never had any operational issues with early Snow Leopard or early Lion installations on any of my Macs. My hardware and what I do with it must not have fallen into any of the bug cracks.

The other battle is between those who think that Lion's changes suck and those who think Lion, or anything else new from Apple must be the coolest thing ever. That's where I'm at. Having come from XP I tried to totally make myself PC free and became somewhat of an Apple fanboy.

As it turns out Apple is on an apparent path that is different from the way I work on computers and they're moving away from the kind of computers I like. There's nothing evil going on, just marketing.

Whether Microsoft can pull off tabletizing Windows 8 without ruining the desktop experience is unknown at this time. Like every computer user I'll have to go with the OS most useful to me whether I particularly like it or not. So far, Windows is looking better for some things, and runs great on my Macs.
 
Lion is working GREAT for me. The initial release would freeze upon playing videos at time and that was annoying, but since Apple fixed that relatively quickly, I've been loving it.
 
No major problems. I am experiencing several 'bugs.' I like some aspects of Misson Control, but definitely not all of them.

Only twelve till 10.7.2, though, wouldn't one think?
 
I decided to go back to SL today. I have 3 macs at home (2.8 C2D iMac, 2.53 C2D MBP, 2.26 C2D Mac mini). On the iMac the Lion is terribly slow after wake from sleep (works fine until sleep). Can't stand it anymore, reverting back to SL.
 
its' mostly fine here, and...i like it. i DEFINITELY am looking forward to tweaks and bug fixes, but it's a perfectly fine OS overall...
 
My 2¢...

No unusual spinning beach balls, no unexplained lags, no kernel panics. Boots instantaneously on all my machines with SSDs and the two that I have that don't have SSDs still boot at least as fast as Snow Leopard did.

I'm using Lion on the following machines: 2010 i7 iMac; 2011 11" MBA i7; 2011 13" MBA i7; 2008 aluminum MacBook; 2009 13" MacBook Pro; 2011 mini i5; and Lion server on a 2006 Mac Pro.

A few minor, infrequent bugs with Safari (tabs without close X's), rare menubar sticking issue when moving in and out of full-screen apps, and mildly slower Time Machine to a network volume speeds (TM to a locally-attached drive are just as fast as SL). But I recall just as many occasional bugs in 10.6.1, too, and way more in 10.5.1.

Otherwise, I've been quite happy with the performance of Lion and I happen to like some of the new features including Mission Control, full-screen apps (especially for the 11" MBA) and local Time Machine snapshots when my laptop is away from home and unable to backup to my network RAID.

I'm looking forward to iCloud and auto-upload of pictures to iPhoto from our iPhones and iPads.

$29 well spent.
 
I wonder if the gap between SB macs and older midrange macs is large enough to explain some of the problems people are experiencing?
 
absolutely no problems with Lion, in fact this might be the smoothest release i've experienced from Apple since Panther.
 
wikus said:
My Macbook Pro came with Lion. I got rid of it. Until Apple gives me the option to ungroup windows in Expose (when showing ALL the windows) I am not going to use Lion.
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That there was the main reason I upgraded from lion to snow leopard
 
maflynn said:
Agreed at some point people who are on 10.6 need to make a hard decision, embrace the apple ecosystem that will mean a more iOS like OS for the desktop, or move on to windows.

I was one of the people who had a difficult time with this move, but I'm adult enough to admit I was wrong.

I'll re-evaluate how OSX fits my needs when future versions come out and if need be shift over to a different platform if OSX does not fit my needs but at the moment Lion and Macs fill that need quite nicely
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If i wanted the iOS experience then I would have gotten an iPad. I don't need or want an iPad. Lion is full with too much eye candy that once was a great OS for productivity
 
I went back to 10.6 as 10.7 was unstable locked up all the time. plus there was nothing really worth while to keep trying to get it to work. using a late 2008 unibody macbook. waste of $31.99
 
ronboutwell said:
I love my Mac as much as everyone here - really. I'll never own anything else. But let's stop ignoring the Gorilla standing in the corner of the room because we are afraid to let Apple know that we are horribly disappointed in Lion. sure, it has a few cool bells and whistles that set it apart from Snow Leopard but compared to Snow Leopard in is slow as heck and dare I say the word, often unstable. I could not wait to upgrade to Lion and I was never more disappointed afterward. After about 30 days of using it and suffering from almost constant "spinning umbrellas" and an almost brand new MacBook Pro that hangs up during reboots making it necessary to hit the physical power button to complete the operation - I pulled up an old Time Machine backup and gave my Mac what it wanted - a Snow Leopard reinstall. The machine was immediately faster again and I am overjoyed.

Let's see a show of hands - who else finally decided to call Lion a loss of $29 and went back to Snow Leopard? Let's tell Apple what they need to fix to keep "We The Customers" happy.
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Why do you think nobody's let Apple know about this? Open your eyes. Many people are outraged and have called it in, so to speak. Many of us haven't had an issue with Lion, so we don't spend our lives running around this ranting forum. Unfortunately because of this, you people think you win and Lion is bad because you scare most people that have great reasons for liking it away. Like, not having issues. You all seem to harass them thinking they'll suddenly have your issue and detest it.

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blackomega31 said:
That there was the main reason I upgraded from lion to snow leopard
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You know the phrase is "downgrade," when you go back to a lower or previous grade of something. Stop bashing it because you think it's bad news.
 
I run 10.6 and 10.7 side by side, and every time I use 10.6 there's things I miss from 10.7, and when I'm using 10.7 there's things I miss from 10.6 – but for the latter, there's absolutely nothing major, and the minor issues are so minor that it's not worth bothering about. Lion is great. :)
 
Snow Leapord is better in terms of performance, battery life and software compatibility.

I'm still running Lion. Guess I like the launchpad, mission control and other things, but all those things come at a price.
 
First Mac Mini coming from Windows 7, and I have had a few new things to learn and still learning them, but Lion is just fine by me, no bugs or issues to report. ;)

Over time, Apple will address the bugs that some are reporting, but I have never seen an Operating System without them and would be shocked if one ever existed without a few hiccups.
 
I recently upgraded my mid2007 MB to 2 GB ram. Now that my MB is running fast and smooth, I'm going to wait to upgrade to Lion, I don't want to screw up a good thing, then I'll be pissed.
 
Um, really?

Within the two days I have been running my new Mac and OS X Lion, I have had no issues with it, whatsoever. (Actually, the Internet was a pain to set up, but this was a router issue :D )

The only time I get a 'beach ball' is when the App Store loads initially, and this lasts a second or two and the App Store works as usual.

Neither have I encounter hanging during startup/restart cycles, have you tried sending your model to Apple?, they could probably pinpoint these symptoms to something and hopefully assist in fixing it.
 
The OP's post boils down to, "All this newfangled Lion stuff is for young whippersnappers and makes my dentures hurt, by crackey."

So, he doesn't use the new features. I'd suggest he try them-- they grow on you.

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ronboutwell said:
slow as heck
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Odd. My early-2010 MBP (2.66GHz, 8 GB) is noticeably faster. Subjectively, I'd say it feels 20% snappier.
 
I don't understand how you have a new MacBook and are having so many problems with lion. I have a mid-2009 MacBook Pro and it still runs as fast as the day I got it, if not faster with the installation of Lion.

And also, you'd be surprised how many people like Lion. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean everyone else has the same outlook on it.
 
blackomega31 said:
If i wanted the iOS experience then I would have gotten an iPad. I don't need or want an iPad. Lion is full with too much eye candy that once was a great OS for productivity
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This was the reason I upgraded to SL from Lion. That and that Lion caused my iMac to run hotter and IDLE at roughly 20% CPU usage across all cores.

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ideal.dreams said:
I don't understand how you have a new MacBook and are having so many problems with lion. I have a mid-2009 MacBook Pro and it still runs as fast as the day I got it, if not faster with the installation of Lion.

And also, you'd be surprised how many people like Lion. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean everyone else has the same outlook on it.
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Perhaps because Lion has absolutely nothing that makes desktop computer usage any easier; in fact, it degrades the experience.
 
OP wrote his rant, than left the thread... Why ? :confused:

He/She joined in August of this year, posted only once
 
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