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Let's Stop Avoiding The Hard Truth About Lion

macuserlongtime said:
I really don't understand what point those who are saying that they don't have problems or issues with Lion are trying to make. And I really also don't appreciate the insinuation that often seems to accompany these posts that 'since I don't have any problems and know how to keep my machine clean, it must be your fault'. etc

I've been using macs for twenty years and this is the first time I've felt like I might as well be using Windows. For goodness sake - I pay for a .mac/mobileme subscription, am using a Mac Os and a mac app (mail) - and it can't send emails! That's the kind of thing I've come to expect from Windows and no amount of posts telling me that actually, Lion works for me wonderfully thanks, is going to change that fact.

It also amazes me that Apple is reporting that Lion has no issues -when you go to their own support forums and see that this issue with mail is commonplace and has no known fixes.

I've retrograded to Snow Leopard and am now enjoying a system that works perfectly. The only 'variable' being Lion/Snow Leopard - I can only conclude that Lion was causing the issues (several apart from mail) - and that does not become invalid because other users have not had those issues.

I'm disappointed in Apple because up until now every upgrade had been an improvement - maybe it's because it's the first version of Lion - I hope so. My concern is that there's a shift in emphasis in the company away from making sure that things work the consumer's end. To find that there is a so far unsolved issue involving only Apple products - mail, Lion and mobileme - does make me fear for the worst.
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I can't speak for everybody, but I know that when I comment that I'm having no issues with Lion, it's to counter the implication that is inherent in many of the complaints that I hear that Lion is somehow a horrible release and it's Apple's Vista and other ridiculous comments like these. Sure, some people like yourself are having issues that are real and need to be resolved.
 
I have a early 2011 15" MBP and a mid 2011 21.5" iMac, both of which came with Snow Leopard. I upgraded both to Lion and haven't had any issues so far.
 
In my ~5 year of using OS X, all major upgrades (10.X) have had problems in the beginning. No company catches all bugs before release. So stop all the whining and claims that this makes you wanna switch to Windows
 
I've been running Lion without problem on my 2011 iMac and a 2010 13" MacBook Pro. It runs flawlessly. I like the features and think it's a good improvement over Snow Leopard.

To anyone having the glitchy/lag kind of problems, I'd suggest doing a clean install. It's what I did, and everything is running smoothly.
 
WSR said:
I don't mind Apple trying to give an iOS interface to those that want it, but what I definitely don't like is removing functionality, i.e. downgrading of Spaces and Expose, the near uselessness of a 2nd monitor in Full-screen mode, and the loss of "Save As..." and "Do You Want to Save?", from those that want it.

I'm going to stay with Snow Leopard until Apple wises up.
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I'm totally with you on this one....lions most attractive features to me are undone by a lack of expose gesturing, it's such a quick intuitive method of switching quickly between apps...why they removed it is crazy IMO..

Save as is also essential...how are you supposed to use a saved document as a template document and save as a different version when it auto saves as the original document? :confused:

I think lion looks great and I'm looking forward to moving up from SL but I'll be staying put until they reverse some of these decisions...hopefully there will be enough demand for it as apple have been known to re-introduce things if people are not happy...FCPX for example;-)

Other than that I look forward to it :)
 
Ok this is to all you out there that like lion. Please shut up. We don't criticize you for liking lion. Please understand that and let us be
 
blackomega31 said:
Ok this is to all you out there that like lion. Please shut up. We don't criticize you for liking lion. Please understand that and let us be
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The moment people like you say that Lion is a bug-ridden POS and that it is the WORST OS X update ever, having destroyed millions of lives and computers out there, you ARE indeed spreading misinformation and criticizing the millions of users who do like Lion.

Therefore, it is only natural that other MR members participate in this thread in order to bring a little more balance to the discussion and show, especially to new Mac users, that a few subjective perceptions and anecdotal "evidence" do not mean Lion is a bad OS (quite the opposite, in fact).
 
vincebio said:
Save as is also essential...how are you supposed to use a saved document as a template document and save as a different version when it auto saves as the original document? :confused:
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Duplicate, then save. Or use a proper template format, in which case an untitled document with the contents of the original file will be created automatically.
 
Well the thing is with the duplicate and then save what use to take going to file then save as was ingrained into user for 30+ years. So what was not broke did not need fixing. I have started using mission control a bit i can understand some peoples complaints on the setup and implementation of it. launchpad i dont care much for as i have lion use an app folder on my dock.

The thing that does bother me is the claim a clean install will fix all problems there have been on other post people saying clean installs on their systems are also glitchy me included with my macbook. It was faster and less buggy with an upgrade of sl to lion. Then i screwed the install of lion when i tried linux on the macbook so i had to reinstall lion so i chose clean install. It acted up big time with just slowness and and such i did not have the wireless issue thou. The speed has come back when i upgraded my seagate momentous xt drives firmware. The temps are still a little higher than what they were sl.
 
I have been using Macs continuously since the first Bondi Blue iMac hit the stores. In fast, my very first PC was an Apple IIe. While I am not enthralled with Lion, it did only cost $29 and for that, I can live with it. I changed the mouse so it acts like I am used too instead of like an IOS device. The auto saves and other things are really only mildly irritating, And the other things aren't giving me any problems. My computers are stable and fast. So, while I don't think Lion is Apples' Vista, I also don't think it is the major upgrade that Snow Leopard was, which I liked a lot. But I see no reason to go back to SL, but as always YMMV, IMHO, etc., etc., etc.
 
On the whole, I'm finding lion to be great!.

Before lion I was a pc user, so I can't compare it to leopard etc. So maybe it's a case of you cant miss what you never had lol. :D

I started getting into apple products with an ipod touch 4th gen, and upgraded to an ipad 2 (which I'm using to post this message lol). So maybe all the ios stuff people moan about, doesnt bother me, because I'm soo used to using it.

Anyway, today I came across my first real problem!. I was using safari, and for some reason, I couldnt see the little "x" on the tabs to close them, and also the "quit" option was grayed out, so I couldn't close it (so it wouldnt even let me shut down my mac!). I had to resort to command, option, and esc, to force safari to close...

Bit, annoying beings its supposed to "just work" and it didn't, with safari. I'd understand if it was another browser, but beings it's a browser that comes with lion, I'd of thought things like that wouldn't happen. :rolleyes:

Anyway, only had that 1 problem so far, and compaired to all the problems with windows in the past, I think lion is great! :D
 
blackomega31 said:
Ok this is to all you out there that like lion. Please shut up. We don't criticize you for liking lion. Please understand that and let us be
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Yes. Yes you do. Are you all living in some alternate universe? You've run people out of this forum because they have no problems and like Lion, which is totally possible AND valid. You all pick fights with people who don't hate it AND even people that do hate it, if they don't hate it for the same reason.
 
lion is so much faster on my MBA than windows vista/7 ever was on my pc. Give apple time, and lion will be even better than it is now.

I never used SL so I can't compare, but lion is great for me and my mac, and my day to day tasks.
 
ceej said:
Yes. Yes you do. Are you all living in some alternate universe? You've run people out of this forum because they have no problems and like Lion, which is totally possible AND valid. You all pick fights with people who don't hate it AND even people that do hate it, if they don't hate it for the same reason.
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No I dont think you get it. There are people like me in this forum who have valid reasons for not liking the changes that were made. Lots of us feel like they got the shaft and we want to talk about it and yes some times it may get heated. Now what does not anything constructive to the forum is the token "lion works fine for me" or "I have had no problems" posts that pop up and that is what i was referring to

And for those people I am glad you are enjoying your lion experience.
and I also understand that a lot of those posts are from people new to the Mac and have nothing to compare to. I say to them Welcome to the Mac and hope you enjoy it

Now my post may have been over the top and for that I am sorry if I have offended anyone or drove people away
 
blackomega31 said:
No I dont think you get it. There are people like me in this forum who have valid reasons for not liking the changes that were made. Lots of us feel like they got the shaft and we want to talk about it and yes some times it may get heated. Now what does not anything constructive to the forum is the token "lion works fine for me" or "I have had no problems" posts that pop up and that is what i was referring to

And for those people I am glad you are enjoying your lion experience.
and I also understand that a lot of those posts are from people new to the Mac and have nothing to compare to. I say to them Welcome to the Mac and hope you enjoy it

Now my post may have been over the top and for that I am sorry if I have offended anyone or drove people away
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Only people new to Mac can't have problems because they don't know better? No. Because many computers work just fine and have no issues, plain and simple. Not every computer is facing these issues, so all of us not having these problems are clearly not ignorant to the Mac world, it's just true.
 
ceej said:
Yes. Yes you do. Are you all living in some alternate universe? You've run people out of this forum because they have no problems and like Lion, which is totally possible AND valid. You all pick fights with people who don't hate it AND even people that do hate it, if they don't hate it for the same reason.
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Actually it is you that are picking the fight because you felt the need to come in to a thread that is clearly about what is wrong with Lion and you brought your Apple pom poms and started posting.

Nobody is saying that the OS totally sucks, but we are saying that there are some serious bugs that need to be resolved and that are hindering some of us from being productive. The fact that I have to wait 15 min for my Wifi to connect (or reboot) is ridiculous and you coming in to defend that it is fine is just as ridiculous.

If it is fine for you then super, move along and let some of us have a discussion on what isn't right. You and your cheerleader buddies are just showing your ignorance.

Posted from Win7 via Bootcamp.
 
I have a few complaints but overall I think the OS is a great one. I like some of the new features. I feel like people want some paradigm shift every time an OS comes out.
 
cmChimera said:
I have a few complaints but overall I think the OS is a great one. I like some of the new features. I feel like people want some paradigm shift every time an OS comes out.
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Not me, I just want what they give me to actually work without bugs. I don't think that I am asking too much. I don't hate Lion, just the bugs I have and I am annoyed with the people insinuating that I am stupid because I have items that can't be resolved.
 
wpotere said:
Not me, I just want what they give me to actually work without bugs. I don't think that I am asking too much. I don't hate Lion, just the bugs I have and I am annoyed with the people insinuating that I am stupid because I have items that can't be resolved.
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Well it's only been out for a few months and we're on the verge of its second point update bringing not only bug fixes but actual new features in response to complaints. I think Apple has done/is doing a good job with the OS so far.
 
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