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Let's tell cook We Want 17" MacBook Pro With Retina Display
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And the casing is thicker than a laptop computer in both the iPhone and the LED TVs
I think the best business argument to be made in favor of a 17" rMBP is that it would allow Apple to offer a very high-end laptop without driving up the price of the 15" rMBP. For example, Apple could drop the discrete GPU from the high-end 15" rMBP (and shave perhaps $300 of the retail price) if they were to equip a 17" rMBP with, for example, a 950M. I can think of a whole list of features Apple could include with a 17" rMBP that would reduce the demand to offer them on the 15" rMBP:
- 3840x2400 display
- discrete GPU (standard)
- 32 GB of DRAM (as an option)
- Thunderbolt 3 and Displayport 1.3 (to support external 5K displays)
- 3 rather than 2 Thunderbolt ports
- 3 rather than 2 USB ports
- 2nd PCIe slot for SSD
- 3840x2400 display
- discrete GPU (standard)
- 32 GB of DRAM (as an option)
- Thunderbolt 3 and Displayport 1.3 (to support external 5K displays)
- 3 rather than 2 Thunderbolt ports
- 3 rather than 2 USB ports
- 2nd PCIe slot for SSD
I think a 17" rmbp will only make sense with enterprise parts. Basically Apple will have to make it very expensive to justify the manufacturing costs. I'm not really sure there's a market for that either. Look around, there just aren't that many company selling 17" laptops anymore.
Meh, I used to want an updated 17" a couple years back, but then I got the first generation 15" Retina and scaling the UI down made is perfect.
17" Retina is 99.9% never ever ever going to happen.
17" Retina is 99.9% never ever ever going to happen.
The iMac 5k has a slightly redesigned logic board and a different screen polariser. That's it. Every other component is the same as the non retina 27" iMac.
The gold Apple watch (there is no such thing as an iWatch) has the same casing design as the standard watch therefore the same moulds can be used.
A 17" rMBP would require a complete new casing, screen, logic board and CPU to do what you want.
The cost to produce is made much higher to do what you want. They withdrew the 17" cMBP for a reason.
The Gold Apple Watch casing is not going to be made on the same moulds as the aluminium ones, so that argument IMO is flawed, as is the comment that a 17" MB Pro needs entirely different internals, the casing is easy to make as they will just make a bigger 15" model, the CPUs will be the same, the graphics will be the same but clocked faster with more VRAM. And it would have a bigger battery. It wouldn't be very difficul to make.
We love 17 inches MacBook Pro, we also love the retina display. It's time to back. Make it happen. Please...
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Let's @ cook to make it happen !
This guy has a point people.
Think about it, if Apple is able to make it THIN enough, it might be portable ENOUGH for people looking for a 17" desktop replacement.
Remember, just because you don't want it, doesn't mean there aren't people out there that do.
Personally, I like my 13" MBPr but I can understand if someone wants a 17" retina.
Not an issue. The circuit board the camera is on would simply be designed to be longer and thinner. No need for any additional thickness to the screen assembly or the circuit board the camera is on than there is now.
Nothing to do with the circuit board (that can be moved to the main logic board and the signal can be sent down with flat flex. (it pretty much already is).
The problem is the sensor and the optics. To make them any smaller would compromise picture quality.
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200,000 sales in 2 days is hardly a huge comeback.
For a premium rMBP 17" with all the trimmings I'd happily venture into $4k pocketbook territory. 15" is all nice and fine and dandy but many of us want a true desktop replacement in notebook fashion. 2" screen size may not seem like a huge difference but 15" has always felt dwarf-like to me. Almost every product Apple focuses on is all about making shareholders happy.. maybe they can find it in their money loving hearts to offer just one product that may not look mindblowingly impressive on sales charts but will appease a large number of 17" loyalists who are still missing that size. IIRC, 17" wasn't d/c due to slow sales at all but rather issues with retina screens of that size, a problem now in the rearview. C'mon Tim.
I think that this is a great idea. I always felt the 17" MBP was a great machine and one used by many professionals.
The 17" MBP sold better than the MP so I was surprised when they quietly removed it from the store. If Apple was unhappy with its sales performance, I think they should have made it a BTO option. Apple has done that in the past with hardware so I didn't think this would be that different.
Personally, I think that Apple has not given up on the 17" MBP. I think they are waiting to do something really amazing with it. I could see them surprising us with a 4k 17" MBP that is thin, light, and equipped with some amazing features. Some features I would like to see:
-Dump the OD so the case has more space available for other options
-Increase the battery size to offset additional options
-Use a very nice 4k or 5k screen
-Optional higher end video card like the 980m
-Optional Quadro certified hardware for CAD/CAM users
-Optional Dual or Quad SSDs for RAID options
I do not think it is a bad idea to remind Tim that people liked the 17" MBP, would like Apple to offer a 17" portable again and offer some suggestions on the features we would like.
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The 17" MBP sold better than the MP so I was surprised when they quietly removed it from the store. If Apple was unhappy with its sales performance, I think they should have made it a BTO option. Apple has done that in the past with hardware so I didn't think this would be that different.
Personally, I think that Apple has not given up on the 17" MBP. I think they are waiting to do something really amazing with it. I could see them surprising us with a 4k 17" MBP that is thin, light, and equipped with some amazing features. Some features I would like to see:
-Dump the OD so the case has more space available for other options
-Increase the battery size to offset additional options
-Use a very nice 4k or 5k screen
-Optional higher end video card like the 980m
-Optional Quadro certified hardware for CAD/CAM users
-Optional Dual or Quad SSDs for RAID options
I do not think it is a bad idea to remind Tim that people liked the 17" MBP, would like Apple to offer a 17" portable again and offer some suggestions on the features we would like.
-P
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I had the 2011 17" - best PC i ever brought - ever. It actually was not that much heavier than the 15"non-retina MBP. the major issue i had with portability was finding a decent sleeve and case.
Still using my fully-loaded 2011 17" and it has been fantastic. Proper desktop replacement, no external monitor needed. Ethernet, Thunderbolt, FireWire, Expresscard, 3xUSB with no adapters to buy. Updated model would no doubt be lighter, not the weight has bothered me. 15" screen is just too small for me and would require an external monitor for more than cursory work output.
I can see that a bunch of people would definitely be happy to see the 17" MBP return in the same way the 12" Powerbook returned with the 13" MBP, but unlike the 12" Powerbook, the 17" Macbook Pro/Powerbook-line never sold anywhere near as well as it's smaller siblings.
Now if Apple was like Dell, HP, Gateway or Acer the 17" machine would definitely be coming back if it had gone anywhere to begin with. However since Steve Jobs came back Apple has been very focused on keeping it's computer lineup lean. There's the infamous meeting where the man decided that they'd cut down their lineup from over a dozen models to 4, two laptops and two desktops, one for consumers and one for the pro-crowd (Power/i-Book and Power/i-Mac). More recently they killed the Macbook because it sat too close in between the 13" MBP and MBA.
Apple's strategy in a nutshell is more or less that they want to focus their efforts so that rather than having a lot of machines with decent sales that they have to spread their attention over, they have a few models that sell really well and they can focus on these few models and make them as good as they can.
Now if Apple was like Dell, HP, Gateway or Acer the 17" machine would definitely be coming back if it had gone anywhere to begin with. However since Steve Jobs came back Apple has been very focused on keeping it's computer lineup lean. There's the infamous meeting where the man decided that they'd cut down their lineup from over a dozen models to 4, two laptops and two desktops, one for consumers and one for the pro-crowd (Power/i-Book and Power/i-Mac). More recently they killed the Macbook because it sat too close in between the 13" MBP and MBA.
Apple's strategy in a nutshell is more or less that they want to focus their efforts so that rather than having a lot of machines with decent sales that they have to spread their attention over, they have a few models that sell really well and they can focus on these few models and make them as good as they can.
After the reveal of the Macbook, they need to make this machine.
What i'd like to see: 17-inch with a 4K display, 2-3 USB-C ports, a thunderbolt 2 port, optical sound IO, up to 32 or 64GB of Ram BTO, a kick ass video discrete video card, force touch trackpad, 2TB BTO SSD option, 802.11AC, BT 4.0 and basically everything you'd want out of the box.
What i'd like to see: 17-inch with a 4K display, 2-3 USB-C ports, a thunderbolt 2 port, optical sound IO, up to 32 or 64GB of Ram BTO, a kick ass video discrete video card, force touch trackpad, 2TB BTO SSD option, 802.11AC, BT 4.0 and basically everything you'd want out of the box.
Nonsense. Thats like saying 4.7 and 5.5 inch iPhones are too big for people buying a phone, we saw how well these have sold. There are MANY people like myself who do photo/video work who really miss a large screen laptop. Editing on a 13 inch screen is frustrating and near impossible, I just realized this again recently when I had the new rMBP 13 for a day before returning it and going to the 15. As I said in another thread, I would like to see the Air line dropped, the 13 inch Macbook join the new 12 inch with dual-core processor. Then have 15 and 17 inch retina MBPs. Its time to bring the 17 back!
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Then explain why they still make the Mac Pro. Im willing to bet it doesn't even make up 5% of their total computer sales.
I really enjoyed my 17" MBP models before Apple decided they were too reliable, too profitable, too easy to sell. At our lab, we had 45 of them until Apple killed them off. They'd been making them for so long the profits were likely more than Apple could live with.
Now we're using 17" laptops from other companies. Why 17" instead of a laptop and monitor? Simple really, we have a very modern active workspace that involves moving and changing configurations. It's not easy to explain simply or quickly but once you see it, you're both impressed and intrigued. It's all about not sitting too long in one place.
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I believe Apple made a rare and stupid mistake when out of the blue they killed off the very popular and easily recognized model name : PowerBook!
Stupid stupid stupid...
Now we're using 17" laptops from other companies. Why 17" instead of a laptop and monitor? Simple really, we have a very modern active workspace that involves moving and changing configurations. It's not easy to explain simply or quickly but once you see it, you're both impressed and intrigued. It's all about not sitting too long in one place.
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I believe Apple made a rare and stupid mistake when out of the blue they killed off the very popular and easily recognized model name : PowerBook!
Stupid stupid stupid...
You have made great points.... I personally think that our world is going crazy trying to make everything so small, and I'm 16 years old! It's crazy to have an Air line, new MacBook, and MacBook Pro, when they all weigh nearly the same and are slightly thinner/thicker.... I'm guessi the Air line is gone, because why wouldn't they include the 12" Retina in the Air line, instead of marketing a new line again? I honestly hate anything under 15" unless it's a iPhone or iPad. Yeah, the 13" is fine computer for basic needs, but I can justify it because of money or weight.... I mean, what are we talking about here, an unnoticeable weight difference?
Anyways, I'd say a 17" Pro should at least have these specs and BTO: Retina - 4k/5k display
Integrated and Discrete Graphics
16GB Ram upgradeable to 32GB
Quad-Core cpu super powerful
1 - 2 SSDs
USB-C/3 Thunderbolt SDXC MagSafe
Audio I/O
I think the 15" shouldn't lose an option for a Discrete graphics card, though....
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I think Apple has to not go backwards, but shake things up a bit, again... Bring the 17" back and stop this going smaller and smaller crap.... They've proved they can make super smaller portable machines, so that should be left alone for a little while.... I think the Pro line suffered a little from this movement for smaller things.
Anyways, I'd say a 17" Pro should at least have these specs and BTO: Retina - 4k/5k display
Integrated and Discrete Graphics
16GB Ram upgradeable to 32GB
Quad-Core cpu super powerful
1 - 2 SSDs
USB-C/3 Thunderbolt SDXC MagSafe
Audio I/O
I think the 15" shouldn't lose an option for a Discrete graphics card, though....
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I think Apple has to not go backwards, but shake things up a bit, again... Bring the 17" back and stop this going smaller and smaller crap.... They've proved they can make super smaller portable machines, so that should be left alone for a little while.... I think the Pro line suffered a little from this movement for smaller things.
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It might make sense to many people to get a 17" instead of a 15" and external monitor. I'd bet there is a market as big as the mac pro.
My gf wants 17", but not in rMBP.
And she has as much chance of getting it as everyone else wanting it.