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Let's tell cook We Want 17" MacBook Pro With Retina Display
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Congratulations, you just ruined your own argument by linking to a bunch of two to three year old notebooks that are out of production. Samsung doesn't even make a 17" model anymore. Geforce 730 graphics cards and dual core I5 processors do not make a high end notebook.
There is only one on the list you can't get anymore and you just cherry picked from the worst one with your argument. The Asus has an i7 and a 970M, the Lenovo has an i7 and a 860M with 4GB dedicated, the Acer has an i7 and 860M and the HP has an i7 with a 630M 1GB dedicated. All of those CPU/GPUs are more than enough for most people. Like I said, thats doesn't even get into the very nice 17 inch models from Alienware, CyberPower and MSI. My argument still stands, there are plenty of nice 17 inch laptops on the market to choose from. Nice try though.
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Nah, it doesn't need to be available. Apple could make it happen if they want to, the 12" macbook uses weird 2304-by-1440. they could even use the 13" panel 2560 x 1600 but they didn't. the retina imac also an example of Apple capability.
My gut feeling say the 17" could happen with skylake; powerful integrated gpu to power those 3840 x 2160 px, remove the bezel and got the footprint of a 15". But that's just wishful thinking at the moment.
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The HP hasn't been on the market in years. The one you linked to is of a company that is grossly overpricing the only one they have left. It has processors that are three years old, the graphics were pathetic when it was new, and the screen is only 1600x900. If you were serious you'd be linking to the manufacturers websites, not some random Amazon seller with old stock.
Still, what you've proven is that your choice among 17" notebooks today are heavy gaming notebooks with terrible battery life, low end models with slower processors and crap screens, or old models that are left in inventory. Thank you for making my point for me.
Yeah, but that would just add cost to an already expensive laptop. That means less units sold, so less likely to make one.
Have to say that this sounds plausible.
Though its also possible that apple puts a 15" laptop into the dimensions of a 13" by thinning the bezels and we'll never see a 17".
What? LOL. Incorrect. I just posted a list of some of the ones I had seen before with good reviews. You really think the only 17 inch laptops around are heavy gaming laptops and cheap low end models? Please do so research next time before making such ridiculous claims
Acer alone makes like 33 different 17 inch laptops. Lenovo makes 16 different 17 inch laptops, Toshiba makes 11 different 17 inch laptops, Dell also makes 11 different 17 inch laptops not including Alienware, Asus makes 8 different 17 inch laptops. HP makes around a dozen 17 inch laptops, 7 just in their Envy series. That doesn't even get into the offerings by Alienware MSI and CyberPower. All different configurations from cheap to top notch. Plenty to choose from...http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/models/laptops
http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/#facet-1=6
http://www.toshiba.com/us/laptop-fi...967002+25+216+260+295+294+300~10~0~p_Featured
http://www.dell.com/us/p/laptops#!facets=55846~0~14833549&p=1
http://www.asus.com/us/Notebooks_Ultrabooks/
http://store.hp.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/us/en/mdp/Laptops/envy-17#!&TabName=vao
What? LOL. Incorrect. I just posted a list of some of the ones I had seen before with good reviews. You really think the only 17 inch laptops around are heavy gaming laptops and cheap low end models? Please do so research next time before making such ridiculous claims
http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/models/laptops
http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/#facet-1=6
http://www.toshiba.com/us/laptop-fi...967002+25+216+260+295+294+300~10~0~p_Featured
http://www.dell.com/us/p/laptops#!facets=55846~0~14833549&p=1
http://www.asus.com/us/Notebooks_Ultrabooks/
http://store.hp.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/us/en/mdp/Laptops/envy-17#!&TabName=vao
This proves nothing. All the laptops in the links are cheap OEM laptops, not something in the class of a rMBP, an XPS 15, or Razor Blade.
This proves my original post - 17" laptops are either cheap OEM laptops or expensive 2" thick gaming behemoths, with the exception of maybe the Razer Blade Pro, which is already behind the Razer Blade 14" so it clearly got left by the wayside by Razer.
You obviously can't read. There are several in the links with faster quad core i7s more flash storage and better graphics cards then the current rMBP 15
I was surprised to find out that they just updated the Razer Blade Pro to have better graphics. Clearly they are still using a 1080p screen, but performance should be on par with the smaller model now.
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You obviously can't read. There are several in the links with faster quad core i7s more flash storage and better graphics cards then the current rMBP 15
You may be able to read, but you clearly don't comprehend. The ones with quad core i7s and better graphics than the rMBP are the heavy, thick gaming laptops we've repeatedly referred to. You are literally telling us "No, you're wrong and here's the evidence to prove you're right!" I'm done wasting my time responding to you... you either get it or you don't.
Who cares? They are usually called "desktop replacements" and someone buying a computer like that isn't expecting some lightweight machine. "Gaming" laptops also make fantastic laptops for professional photographers and videographers because of the GPUs. No one is expecting a fully loaded laptop to weigh 4 pounds. My point STILL stands. There are plenty of options for 17 inch laptops out there. Everything from thinner and lighter with lesser components for the average user up to bigger, heavier and fully loaded for gamers or people who do heavy photo/video or graphics work. The assumption made earlier in this thread that no one makes 17 inch laptops anymore, is absurd as Ive clearly shown. All of the top manufacturers still make MULTIPLE 17 inch models and its pathetic Apple does not.
Interesting but not surprising. The market has moved on from ginormous laptops that are difficult to travel with. The higher res laptops that are 15" and smaller is where apple has moved on too. I don't see them rolling out a 17" again. I just don't believe the market is there.
If the Apple was making profits on them, why kill off a cash cow - that doesn't make sense. They stopped making the 17" for a reason, and I don't believe those market conditions changed to alter that decision.
We never said no one does. We said no one makes one of the quality of the 17" Macbook pro. All you've proven is that if you have to use a 17" notebook today you are going to have to make serious compromises in either performance or portability, and that wasn't the case a few years ago.
More to the point, the machines you showed us compete in markets that Apple doesn't. They aren't going to make a bargain basement machine with a crappy TN display and integrated graphics and they aren't going to make a full on gaming notebook either.
Check out ebay and see all of the bidders and buy niw buyers snapping up 17 inchers. And at relatively high prices. There def is a market for those big knes, but apple us now in the form iver function business so they wont revive tge 17 inch. If I can find a mint ibe at $1000 or under u will snap it up, an i7 quadcore with at least 8gb and an ssd.
Again, more false, blanket statements. You act like the 17 inch Macbook was some featherweight, it wasn't. It weighed 6.8 pounds. Looking at the list of 17 inchers I posted, its not that far off and a few are actually lighter. The high end Toshiba model is only 5.9 pounds. The high end HPs are only 6.3 pounds. The high end Acers are 7.05 pounds, The high end Dells are 7.3 pounds. The high end Lenovo is 7.48 pounds. The Asus is the only one rather heavy at 9.3 pounds. These are the models with quad core i7s and great graphics cards more than powerful enough for the average user and still enough for more graphic intensive work. Most are either lighter or within a half pound of what the 17 inch MPB weighed and they are all much less expensive. People looking for a nice 17 inch laptop are hardly limited to giant, heavy gaming laptops nor are they limited to weak, underpowered internals. Again, please do some research before making false claims.
+1 - the late 2011 17" MBP indeed commands a higher resale value than any MBP to date on ebay with many bidders especially the 2.4ghz and 2.5ghz models which are no slouches in performance even by today's standards. Geekbenching 11,500 averages with SSDs - they command close to $2k in good condition on ebay.
Never meant to be a portability king with an OCD thinness disorder, the 17" MPB was designed as a portable desktop replacement with full connectivity, upgradeability and self serviceability, and a killer Matt 17" screen - (retina be damned).
Claiming there is no market for a 17" MBP these days is IMO as ridiculous as saying there is a large market for a gold apple watch. Perhaps a gold 17" MBP would change that mindset?
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Most manufacturers disagree with you. Their market studies are also significantly more sophisticated than yours.
There is clearly a market for hi-spec 17" laptops.
The problem is that the market consists of a total of 117 people across the entire US, give or take a margin or error of 3.14%. That's not enough to make selling 17" laptops anything other than a money-losing charity.
The problem is that the market consists of a total of 117 people across the entire US, give or take a margin or error of 3.14%. That's not enough to make selling 17" laptops anything other than a money-losing charity.
Interesting insights. I believe you all need to stop fighting about who is right..
Yes, there is a need and demand.. for 17" maybe its fairly large that some manufacturers are making it. Maybe gamers, maybe CAD/ grafix pros.. some people want.. Hell.. I bought a Dell 17" Inspiron 9300 in 04/05 for gaming before the XPS biggies became all the rage, but never got time to game much on it.. and then it as a heavy pain everytime I traveled.
Some people also bought 19" Desktop replacement laptops..
But, its the economies of scale and simplified product lines that apple has been working with (since S Jobs came back as CEO). He drew out 4 quadrants
You will be baffled by the number/ variety & series of laptops of the same size/ that HP/Dell of the world make. We need some diversity/ variety but past a point its confusing and dilution of their products.
Is there a right or wrong answer no?
The question to ask is..
At what 'demand level' threshold does apple decommission a product line, and at what 'customer demand level' would they even consider bringing it back?
Anyone got friends in press/ news media.. have them ask Tim Cook that.. It will put all debates to rest.
Yes, there is a need and demand.. for 17" maybe its fairly large that some manufacturers are making it. Maybe gamers, maybe CAD/ grafix pros.. some people want.. Hell.. I bought a Dell 17" Inspiron 9300 in 04/05 for gaming before the XPS biggies became all the rage, but never got time to game much on it.. and then it as a heavy pain everytime I traveled.
Some people also bought 19" Desktop replacement laptops..
But, its the economies of scale and simplified product lines that apple has been working with (since S Jobs came back as CEO). He drew out 4 quadrants
You will be baffled by the number/ variety & series of laptops of the same size/ that HP/Dell of the world make. We need some diversity/ variety but past a point its confusing and dilution of their products.
Is there a right or wrong answer no?
The question to ask is..
At what 'demand level' threshold does apple decommission a product line, and at what 'customer demand level' would they even consider bringing it back?
Anyone got friends in press/ news media.. have them ask Tim Cook that.. It will put all debates to rest.